Why Portland?

SethBullock

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Really Seth. Then why mention Antifa at all? If NOT Antifa, what are some of the other groups, that are attacking Portland, and causing millions of dollars in damages? How many Police Officers and citizens have been assaulted and intimidated, and by what groups? How many occupied buildings have been set alight, and by which groups?



So no biggy I guess since it happened so long ago? Why are you defending, or minimizing the actions of these hate groups? I am certainly not the one deflecting. Oregon was originally envisioned as a "White Utopia", and barred all Blacks Americans from residency until 1926. Even today, Portland has the "Whitest" large city population in America(78% Whites, 6% Blacks).


Here is a bit more perspective. There are 36 counties in Oregon. Only 10 are Blue and 26 are Red. Fortunately, those 10 counties have the highest population. Therefore wouldn't it be fairer to say, that 28% of the counties are liberal and white, and the other 72% of the counties are conservative and white? Therefore a fertile recruiting ground for far-right extremist groups.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-30/portland-protests-trump-far-right

Would you also like a list of the White Nationalist, hate, and racist groups that have set up shop in Oregon?
Seattle - 7% black
San Francisco - 6% black

You are impugning Portland by going back generations including a reference to 1926, 95 years ago. In the present, Portland is one of the 3 most progressively liberal cities on the west coast. Seattle and San Francisco would be the other two. Portland has a population that voted almost 80% for Biden. The Mayor is a progressive liberal, recently reelected. The last 3 police chiefs have been a black woman, a white woman, and a black man at present.

Oregon has had far-right groups in it before, and some of those people live in Oregon. But they live everywhere. Oregon is not a sanctuary or hub for far right groups.

But all of that is off topic to the question I'm asking. I'm not going to argue "who" has caused tens of millions of dollars in damage to Portland in the past year.

My question is why did they choose to attack Portland for 100 days and counting? Why not drive out to Baker City or Pendleton and attack them? That's enemy territory, not Portland.

So why Portland?
 

DonDeeHippy

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Seattle - 7% black
San Francisco - 6% black

You are impugning Portland by going back generations including a reference to 1926, 95 years ago. In the present, Portland is one of the 3 most progressively liberal cities on the west coast. Seattle and San Francisco would be the other two. Portland has a population that voted almost 80% for Biden. The Mayor is a progressive liberal, recently reelected. The last 3 police chiefs have been a black woman, a white woman, and a black man at present.

Oregon has had far-right groups in it before, and some of those people live in Oregon. But they live everywhere. Oregon is not a sanctuary or hub for far right groups.

But all of that is off topic to the question I'm asking. I'm not going to argue "who" has caused tens of millions of dollars in damage to Portland in the past year.

My question is why did they choose to attack Portland for 100 days and counting? Why not drive out to Baker City or Pendleton and attack them? That's enemy territory, not Portland.

So why Portland?
their mums wouldn't give them the bus fair.....???
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Seattle - 7% black
San Francisco - 6% black
I doubt if all these merchants of hate and racial division, are coming to Oregon because of the low Black population there Seth. This is about the percentage of Whites in the population. Currently, Oregon is 86% White Americans(ranked 15th in the US). Portland is currently 77.1% White Americans(ranked 16th of all cities in the US). This is NOT about the Black population, is it? Your facts are also NOT current, and I was just being conservative with my data. The current data demographics,


But all of that is off topic to the question I'm asking. I'm not going to argue "who" has caused tens of millions of dollars in damage to Portland in the past year.

My question is why did they choose to attack Portland for 100 days and counting? Why not drive out to Baker City or Pendleton and attack them? That's enemy territory, not Portland.
You asked a question that is full of unproven assumptions. That is, why are extremist groups(especially Antifa) descending onto Portland? Especially since Portland is one of 3 peaceful, progressive, liberal, and socially enlightened cities(or State), on the West coast? I have given you my opinion why.

It is one of the Whitest large cities in the US(16th).
It is one of the Whitest states in the US(15th).
Almost 2/3rds of the state's counties are Red and conservative.
The levels of ethnic minorities are under 6%.
Conservative counties are trying to extend the state's border.
The White majority in the State is 86%.

If I were a White Neo-nazi, Supremacist racist, and out to recruit young impressionable insecure White Americans, then WHY NOT CHOOSE PORTLAND? Anyway, these are my opinions about why. Or, do you think that Portland is just a victim by happenstance? Also, only 10 of the 36 counties in Oregon voted for Biden. The other 26 counties voted for Trump. Luckily those 10 counties have much higher voting numbers. Did you know that 2 of those RED rural counties are trying to extend their borders into Idaho? To increase their conservative voting numbers. Also, it wasn't until the 1950s that Oregon began peeling back laws and rules that propped up racial discrimination in housing, schools, and employment. In 1854, Oregon's Constitution was amended, exclusively to keep Black Americans out of the State.


One thing that has always bothered me. We both know that the danger of violence will always exist whenever any large group gathers and demonstrates. Therefore the violence is NOT directly related to the demonstrator's cause. We both know that the message of one movement of extremists is dependent entirely on violence, intimidation, division, fear, and hatred. We both know that the other movement is willing to stand up to these extremists. So why all the fake outrage when violence does occur? If you were a cop in any large city(Which, I have no doubt you were), then you would know, that the version of events, in reality, is not even close to the media's sensationalized version of those same events.

You may not want to argue WHO was responsible for all the damage in Portland. But if you are going to accuse any Anti-fascist movement, trying to stop the spread of hatred and social division, then it would be intellectually honest to back it up with some objective evidence. Instead of unsupported innuendoes, inferences, and insinuations.

Why not drive out to Baker City or Pendleton and attack them? That's enemy territory, not Portland.
I don't know Seth. Publicity or media coverage maybe? Baker City, less than 10k people, -10 °C? Pendelton, 16.7K people, -5 °C? Or Portland, 645K people, 4 °C? Or, maybe this is the reason why.

 

SethBullock

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The answer to my question “Why Portland?” is that other communities would never tolerate it. They CAN’T do it in conservative cities like Baker City or Pendleton because those people would run them out.

It’s a combination of cowardice and self preservation that keeps them bottled up in Portland.

If you wrap your criminality in the cause of “social justice”, the weak, guilt-ridden self-hating liberals who run Portland won’t stop you.

And THAT is why you get months and months of non-stop vandalism, looting, assaults, arson and intimidation in Portland.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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It’s a combination of cowardice and self preservation that keeps them bottled up in Portland.
I think you mean ignorance, paranoia, and hypocrisy, don't you? So, NOW you are condoning violence only when it suits your narrative. Big surprise! Or, will you just define this response as "Preemptive self-defense"?

The answer to my question “Why Portland?” is that other communities would never tolerate it. They CAN’T do it in conservative cities like Baker City or Pendleton because those people would run them out.
Really? So the good old boys in these places of conservatism, racism, bigotry, and nationalism, and seemingly share similar right-wing views as White Nationalist Racists and Nazis, will "defend against any ideological belief that will threaten their sense of normalcy"? "With extreme prejudice"? Got it!! I think the lines between reality and Hollywood, are just a bit blurred.

If you wrap your criminality in the cause of “social justice”, the weak, guilt-ridden self-hating liberals who run Portland won’t stop you.
Again, you have no proof of this. Only YOU are suggesting that the means justify the ends. I have said this before. The Constitution allows all citizens the right to peacefully assemble, and to redress the government of their grievances. It doesn't say which cities or states, or for what causes. If you don't like it, then you know the political drill.

And THAT is why you get months and months of non-stop vandalism, looting, assaults, arson and intimidation in Portland.
Of course, your narrative begs the question of why nothing was done to stop the violence on day one? Why didn't the President, or the Governor call in the National Guard/Military? Or why didn't the Portland Police Chief ask for mutual aid throughout the state? It also makes the false assumption, that nothing was done by anyone for months. And, that all liberal leaders are cowards, afraid and weak. Talk about painting them all with the same brush!

So, everyone from councilors, the mayor, the police chief, the state attorney general, the governor, and the POTUS(Republican), have all turned a blind eye to these months of endless and continuance violence, disorder, and vandalism? All because they were intimidated, afraid, and genetically liberal. OR, maybe just maybe, the version of the events being peddled, is NOT the entire version of events that happened. The media's job is to sensationalize any events, to get the highest ratings. So, it does what it needs to do to survive. So when I see over time, snippets of violence and disorderly events, it doesn't add up to full-scale rioting by thousands of people to me. Twenty people in black, standing around, taking turns to smash a window, looks more staged than mob-related. Even W. Barr had a change of heart, after sending in 112 Federal Officers to help out.


Clearly, you are against social change, unless it evolves naturally, slowly, and doesn't affect your conservative worldview. A world-view of humanity that encourages and promotes political division, racial apathy social indifference, world superiority, White supremacy, religious intolerance, and that might is always right. This is NOT my worldview of the humanity I want to be a part of. I don't expect you to watch this, but others might. This is the humanity that I do embrace, and want for my children. And for their children.


I hope that the kids of our next generation will learn the difference between the human touch, and the human condition.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
I think you mean ignorance, paranoia, and hypocrisy, don't you? So, NOW you are condoning violence only when it suits your narrative. Big surprise! Or, will you just define this response as "Preemptive self-defense"?



Really? So the good old boys in these places of conservatism, racism, bigotry, and nationalism, and seemingly share similar right-wing views as White Nationalist Racists and Nazis, will "defend against any ideological belief that will threaten their sense of normalcy"? "With extreme prejudice"? Got it!! I think the lines between reality and Hollywood, are just a bit blurred.



Again, you have no proof of this. Only YOU are suggesting that the means justify the ends. I have said this before. The Constitution allows all citizens the right to peacefully assemble, and to redress the government of their grievances. It doesn't say which cities or states, or for what causes. If you don't like it, then you know the political drill.



Of course, your narrative begs the question of why nothing was done to stop the violence on day one? Why didn't the President, or the Governor call in the National Guard/Military? Or why didn't the Portland Police Chief ask for mutual aid throughout the state? It also makes the false assumption, that nothing was done by anyone for months. And, that all liberal leaders are cowards, afraid and weak. Talk about painting them all with the same brush!

So, everyone from councilors, the mayor, the police chief, the state attorney general, the governor, and the POTUS(Republican), have all turned a blind eye to these months of endless and continuance violence, disorder, and vandalism? All because they were intimidated, afraid, and genetically liberal. OR, maybe just maybe, the version of the events being peddled, is NOT the entire version of events that happened. The media's job is to sensationalize any events, to get the highest ratings. So, it does what it needs to do to survive. So when I see over time, snippets of violence and disorderly events, it doesn't add up to full-scale rioting by thousands of people to me. Twenty people in black, standing around, taking turns to smash a window, looks more staged than mob-related. Even W. Barr had a change of heart, after sending in 112 Federal Officers to help out.


Clearly, you are against social change, unless it evolves naturally, slowly, and doesn't affect your conservative worldview. A world-view of humanity that encourages and promotes political division, racial apathy social indifference, world superiority, White supremacy, religious intolerance, and that might is always right. This is NOT my worldview of the humanity I want to be a part of. I don't expect you to watch this, but others might. This is the humanity that I do embrace, and want for my children. And for their children.


I hope that the kids of our next generation will learn the difference between the human touch, and the human condition.
I love how you twist into all kinds of contortions to change what I'm saying.

The protesters could protest in Baker or Pendleton, peacefully, and while committing no vandalism, no assaults on police, and with a permit. Lawfully and peacefully, and then disperse and leave when their designated time was up.

They would not be allowed to trash the city and commit insurrection.

No chance.

Portland allows it. Places like Baker would not, and so the cowardly little insurrectionists don't dare go there. Instead, they victimize their own, because the city leaders are too "woke" and self-hating to stop them in their tracks.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
I love how you twist into all kinds of contortions to change what I'm saying.
If I am misrepresenting your words, please show me where. Also, it would not take any convoluted monumental effort to distort your words. Their meaning is as clear as your hints.

The protesters could protest in Baker or Pendleton, peacefully, and while committing no vandalism, no assaults on police, and with a permit. Lawfully and peacefully, and then disperse and leave when their designated time was up.

They would not be allowed to trash the city and commit insurrection.

No chance.
And, if agitators and instigators DO decide to be disorderly? Are the good old boys in Baker City and Pendleton, going to use harsh language or free love, to keep these agitating insurrectionists in line? Or, will these good-old conservative boys use vigilante-style justice, just like in the movies? So you really don't condemn all violence, do you? I suppose It doesn't matter if 90% of the demonstrators were acting lawful and peaceful? Just condemn the whole, because of a few bad parts, right? Here's a novel idea. Why not just arrest only those that commit acts of violence and vandalism? Sounds more like, that you are just looking for any excuse to attack liberalism in general. Although this is refreshingly honest, it is still sad and misguided. Did you read about Barr, who was caught up in the riot hype, and sent 112 Federal agents? When he found out that it was the agents instigating the violence, and that most of the protesters were families(women and children) peacefully demonstrating and listening to speeches, the agents were recalled.

Portland allows it. Places like Baker would not, and so the cowardly little insurrectionists don't dare go there. Instead, they victimize their own, because the city leaders are too "woke" and self-hating to stop them in their tracks.
And you know all of this HOW Seth? Again, no evidence. I can't accept this last comment as being serious. You ARE surely having a dig at me, aren't you? You are truly too intelligent to be this cynical, simple-minded, divisive, and socially paranoid.

Do you really think that it is a rational fear, that even a thousand people will cause an insurrection to take down the entire US government? People are more interested in what their neighbors are doing than what the government is doing. Most people are more interested in getting laid, getting drunk, getting rich, and getting a job. You couldn't get enough people together, to even agree to lower the price of petrol.

The government certainly spends enough money keeping the public ignorant, distracted, and dumb. In a country whose peoples' only reality is virtual characters, virtual games, virtual love, and virtual movies, a REAL insurrection would only be a virtual fear at best. The last thing that the government wants people to know, is that it is the people who really control the government. Not the government that really controls the people.

Unless of course, you are a Republican!!
 
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