where...?

pinkeye

Wonder woman
are the political posts on Australian politics. ??

That is, ostensibly the name of this WHOLE forum, BUT

where is the comment on Australian politics.?? WE don't want to look at it honestly, do we.? We are too embarrassed..? WTF?

We'd rather waste hours and hours of comment on Yank politics, because , let's face it, OUR POLITICS ARE FUCKED.! You want to deny that..? How about a comment on Australian politics.? ANYONE.?

Our politicians, in power, are by and large totally self-serving. and ALL OUR issues are talked down, ridiculed, ignored, or lambasted.... what has happened here.?
Both in Oz and on this forum. Squire..!! stick it all on ONE topic... MONK... you want to run this forum..? don't offer opinions when you have no knowledge.

As for the rest of you...? there isn't enough to talk about here...?

Note how ignored posts on our australian issues / politics are. Even people who claim to be Australian , don't want to discuss OUR system.

YOU know why? IT is POISON.

Anyone got ANYTHING to say about Australian Politics.?
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
@pinkeye It does seem like Yank politics take up more time and space here than Australian politics.

I am curious ....

What would you say are the top three political issues that Australians argue about?
 

Squire

Active member
The problem with Australian politics is there is no 'politics' when there is a liberal government because the Australian media is mostly aligned with Liberal Party ideology.

The only time Australian politics gets 'fiery' is when there is a labor government and they are proposing ideology, policies and legislation that offends the Liberal media.

Joh Bjelke Peterson used to call his media events "feeding the chooks".
 
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pinkeye

Wonder woman
nothing stopping you from starting threads about issues affecting aussie politics pink
I have, John.

Lucky to get a few views and limited replies. You are not interested... it is TOO HARD.

so we get donkey votes, and non-voters... I despise people who say all politicians are the same.
OBVIOUSLY, they are NOT.

But try to get this across to the disconnected , the undervalued and the cynics..?

Their/our only voice is exercised through the ballot box. We now have something unheard of in earlier centuries.. the right to vote. The Ultimate Franchise for all of us.

Media..? more and more are not trusted..... because the Barons , sadly enough... Australian , have exercised profligate powers that enable them to act , with influence, on the populace to advance their own agendas.
 
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stunspore

New member
Yeh it's a pity we don't have serious debate. The only thing is that liberals/right wingers tend to debate irrationally - ozpol's right wingers are good examples. It's a bit hard to fight against ideology and propaganda. There's no good will, manners or protocols.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Ah YES
it is hard.
Thank you for your reply.

But we MUST do our best to ignore the lies , denials, and obfuscation we face from OUR elected government. It is fascist in everything but name.

The only way, regardless of the fears of the comfortable, to get rid of this corrupt government, the Morrison Government,..... is to VOTE THEM OUT.!

Like I have said on other topics, around this matter, they need to GO.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
@pinkeye It does seem like Yank politics take up more time and space here than Australian politics.

I am curious ....

What would you say are the top three political issues that Australians argue about?
Coal Power
Hydrogen Power
Death's of our Indigenous People in Custody

Of course, THAT depends on who you talk to.

Morrison government has FAILED.

Why is he even the PM.?
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Coal Power
Hydrogen Power
Death's of our Indigenous People in Custody

Of course, THAT depends on who you talk to.

Morrison government has FAILED.

Why is he even the PM.?
You could start a thread on each one. Once I understood the arguments, I would chime in. I get a little tired of talking about the U.S. all the time.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
I was hoping others with better computer skills might answer my call to discuss. There are many MORE than 3 important issues here, today.
I am told to post links but most of my posts are based on more than one source. I don't plagiarise others, I write what I think. I form a view and express it.

I think lots of folk on here are so disgusted and discouraged they have been defeated by the sheer lies and hypocrisy we hear every day. Afraid to rock the boat, because we have genuine hawks and people without a conscience running the Country. We live in a Country run by psychopaths, pure and simple.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
You could start a thread on each one. Once I understood the arguments, I would chime in. I get a little tired of talking about the U.S. all the time.
I could... but I have no links, No videos No references to relevant media.
I prefer it that way. I just seek to generate talking between us . I have nothing to prove because it is all on the public record ,(otherwise I wouldn't have seen it) and hope that people DO care.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
I could... but I have no links, No videos No references to relevant media.
I prefer it that way. I just seek to generate talking between us . I have nothing to prove because it is all on the public record ,(otherwise I wouldn't have seen it) and hope that people DO care.
I don't care if you don't have videos and links. All I need is to have the issue explained to me, and I can form my own opinion. I can also research stuff myself if I need to.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
well thanks Seth.

Coal is being promoted by our government as necessary to our economy..
They proclaim loudly, that in having to phase out Coal-fired Power Stations, and coal mining for export ,the people will lose jobs. .... ( Morrison, before he was PM, brought a lump of coal into our parliament, and waved it around, jeering at detractors. Despite the RULE - NO PROPS in PARLIAMENT.!! ) He has NO respect for anything that doesn't fit his preferred world-view.

They // Morrison and Co., ..believe we need to move to Hydrogen Gas. Another fossil fuel.

They are willing to decimate vast areas of some of our best food producing country to produce Coal and Gas. They are trying to argue we need NEW COAL mines...

They will hear no opposition.

Black deaths in Custody...........our indigenous people have been slaughtered, enslaved and marginalised throughout our PROUD history.

Nothing has changed in the 2020's.

Imagine all of the people from a small city in the US. Imagine all the people of colour who live there spread out across a vast country, often in small city clusters, and often in really remote communities with atrocious living conditions... not even considered eligible to vote until the late 1960's.
The survivors of a concerted effort at genocide.

They still live , in what I consider is an amazing proof of the strength of their culture, and slowly, some of us whites are realising just what happened in our history. Shameful colonial genocide by the British Empire, and her colonies, such as Australia.

I have to say, I came here to Australia as immigrant.. my mother and her partner needed a new start, and I got dragged along as the only dependent.... In NZ where I grew up, I knew and respected the Maori people, who were there first, and fought for their rights.

In Australia..? the people fought and died , and were enslaved.

Young indigenous people are routinely locked up here, for no real cause, and so are older folk, struggling to survive.
Too many young are locked up and tortured. YES / Tortured. Youth Detention Centres here, think nothing of , well just about the worst things YOU could think of. Left naked, hosed down with high-pressure hoses, straitjacketed, ..you can think it up, it is happening here NOW.

See the settlers and cattle barons ALMOST wiped them out... so there aren't many left...... but they are fighting for their very lives.

In the US..? you have a LOT of coloured people, and numbers equal power.

The Australian indigenous person is so precious, as the oldest living culture in the world, despite all threats. They endure.
 

mothra

Administrator
Staff member
There are a few threads, they just don't seem to generate more than a few responses.

Don't mistake that for the members of this forum not caring about issues troubling you, Pink. We care. It's just that there seems so little to say about it. We all know they are as corrupt as the day the is long.

When the election gets closer, things will heat up on here.
 

Texan

Active member
I think energy independence is VERY important for any industrialized country. Which energy source depends on what is available in your country. When you have control over your own energy, you can negotiate with other countries from a position of strength and your energy prices become very stable. Industry doesn't have to gamble on future energy costs and can hire more people and make investments without worrying about being shut down by energy costs.

I'm not big on global man made climate change. I think change has always happened whether men were involved or not. I do like to be a good steward of my resources. Before I approve of coal and gas production, I would make sure it doesn't affect crop production and water supplies. As I understand, your fresh water resources aren't as plentiful as they are in most of the US. Australia is a big country. I'm sure you could make arrangements that would support all industries.

Texas, as an example has several different areas where different industries have dominated the local economies. South Texas has crops of all kinds. We even have a warm enough climate for citrus production. East TX has lots of trees and lakes. There is some oil production, but more tree farms for lumber and paper production. Agriculture is big all over East TX. West TX is all about energy. It's too dry to farm and life out there is hard, but energy resources are plentiful. If it doesn't make oil or natural gas, it has Sun and wind for RE production. We let private industry prosper and protect the environment with private property rights. What I mean is that if an industry puts out pollution so that it affects somebody else's property, it is squelched. Unlike the West Coast, almost all land in TX is privately owned.

As America expanded West, it started claiming more and more land for itself in the name of being for the "common good" and later "the environment", but this land is exempt from taxation and that puts the burden on private citizens to compensate for the extra government expenditure to maintain this land. (forest fires and such)
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
well thanks Seth.

Coal is being promoted by our government as necessary to our economy..
They proclaim loudly, that in having to phase out Coal-fired Power Stations, and coal mining for export ,the people will lose jobs. .... ( Morrison, before he was PM, brought a lump of coal into our parliament, and waved it around, jeering at detractors. Despite the RULE - NO PROPS in PARLIAMENT.!! ) He has NO respect for anything that doesn't fit his preferred world-view.

They // Morrison and Co., ..believe we need to move to Hydrogen Gas. Another fossil fuel.

They are willing to decimate vast areas of some of our best food producing country to produce Coal and Gas. They are trying to argue we need NEW COAL mines...
Well, you get what you vote for, right? I know you didn't vote for the Liberals (conservatives) that are in power in Australia, but apparently the majority did. So I take it that the majority of Australians agree with the Liberals' coal policy.

It's a thorny problem because Australia exports coal. Those exports create jobs and income for Australia. And I guess Australia generates power using coal. So if you want to stop mining coal, it would be good to have something else of equal value to export. And if you want to stop using coal to generate power in your own country, then you need to have an alternative energy source. And that energy source should be something that doesn't come exclusively from some other country, like China. So it's a sticky, difficult problem.

It seems to me that if you are going to stop using coal to generate power, then that should be done gradually and thoughtfully, and the people need to be able to afford it.

I think I might be asking the question, "Why are we buying solar panels from China? Why aren't we buying the raw materials for solar panels and manufacturing them here in Australia? Why not buy the raw materials for wind turbines and batteries for electric cars and manufacture them here?"

If you did that, you could replace lost jobs in the coal industry. But then those solar panels and wind turbines and electric car batteries would all cost a lot more because you had to pay Australian workers a good wage to manufacture them instead of paying Chinese workers slave labor rates.

So it would be nice to have a viable alternative to coal, but it's a goal that's a lot harder to actually implement in a way that doesn't harm your economy.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Indeed.

But you know Seth, all it takes is the Will to do it.
No will here. Some other imperative seems to be driving our government.

Forget the crying - out need for NEW thinking and looking forward . That is something the government of Scott Morrison will resist ,.. till we VOTE THE IDIOTS OUT.!!
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Indeed.

But you know Seth, all it takes is the Will to do it.
No will here. Some other imperative seems to be driving our government.

Forget the crying - out need for NEW thinking and looking forward . That is something the government of Scott Morrison will resist ,.. till we VOTE THE IDIOTS OUT.!!
Pink, I have said the same thing about the U.S.

We have problems we could solve if we had the will to do it.

All we can do is try to make our voices heard, and vote.
 
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