What a scumbag government Australia has!

SethBullock

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I still don't understand why so few people are vaccinated in Australia. The U.S. now has a glut of vaccine and is giving it away, so it can't be for lack of vaccine.

According to this link, 6.8% of the Australian population is fully vaccinated, and 25% have received at least one dose.

 

johnsmith

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I still don't understand why so few people are vaccinated in Australia

because the federal govt. has stuffed up the roll out. Every day they change their stories about who is to get which vaccine, which one is safe and which is not. ..........This has made everyone weary about getting it in the first place. Everyone is on a 'wait and see' approach.

The fact that covid hasn't really been an issue for most Australian further exacerbates the problem.
 

SethBullock

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because the federal govt. has stuffed up the roll out. Every day they change their stories about who is to get which vaccine, which one is safe and which is not. ..........This has made everyone weary about getting it in the first place. Everyone is on a 'wait and see' approach.

The fact that covid hasn't really been an issue for most Australian further exacerbates the problem.
Yes, it is true that your infection rate has been very low. On the other hand, your country has relied on draconian travel restrictions and masking and social distancing to make that happen.

I would think you would all grow weary of that. I think I can speak for all Americans when I say that we are sick of it. If ever there was a motive to get vaccinated, getting back to normal would be it.

I am looking forward to being able to use an airport and airline without a mask. I just flew all the way across the country and back to visit my son, and I had to wear a mask from the time I entered the terminal until the time I finally got to my car in the long term parking area. But that's because of federal rules that govern air travel. In Oregon, we're completely open and back to normal.
 

johnsmith

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Yes, it is true that your infection rate has been very low. On the other hand, your country has relied on draconian travel restrictions and masking and social distancing to make that happen.

hardly draconian ... masks are a minor nuisance but nothing to be overly concerned about. Same for social distancing, which only really applies during lock downs. As for travel restrictions .. we've just come off a 3 day lock down. 3 days is what they figure they need at the start of a breakout for the contact tracers to get on top of it. Lock down has now been lifted and those infected isolated. Where I live I've had maybe 2 of these lock downs in the last 12 months (not including the initial breakout where we went into lockdown for a couple of months and are unlikely to ever repeat). Our states are so big that we can spend weeks playing tourist and not leave our states. Domestic travelling has boomed since covid started. I'm off next week heading North to Airlie beach. I'll drive 13 hours and still be only just past the halfway point in my state. Hardly worth risking blod clots for.

I would like to go overseas but that is unlikely in the immediate future due to other plans, so covid has no real effect in that regard..
 

johnsmith

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3 days is what they figure they need at the start of a breakout for the contact tracers to get on top of it. Lock down has now been lifted and those infected isolated.

further on that .. NSW on the other hand has a conservative premier, who takes the view that lock downs are to be avoided. As a result she failed to act when a breakout first occured, and that has allowed the breakout to spread throughout NSW and into other states. They're now into their second week of lock downs because the idiot premier wanted to play politics. The other states she allowed it to spread to immediately went into lockdown in the cities affected, and have for the most part moved on.

Lock downs are not ideal, but until everyone gets immunized, they're better than the alternative.
 

greggerypeccary

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Yes, it is true that your infection rate has been very low. On the other hand, your country has relied on draconian travel restrictions and masking and social distancing to make that happen.
Draconian? Are you fucking kidding me?

Your backward country straps downs prisoners and then kills them in a premeditated, state-sanctioned ritual where they invite spectators.

You wanna debate draconian? Bring it on.
 

HBS Guy

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We (SA anyway) sign on when entering a commercial premises, usually with mobile phone a QR code. Masks and social distancing (reasonably well observed) reduce the spread. Quick, specific lockdowns and isolation of a “spreader” obviously stop one source of infections.

Biggest weakness in our country: quarantine in inner city hotels not made for quarantining guests. Send all arrivals to Christmas Is for 3 weeks I reckon.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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Absolutely.

I can't understand why that isn't happening.
Probably because some people have chosen NOT to give away their freedom of choice. Some people have realize that that Covid-19 is NOT a death sentence. Some people have chosen to develop their immunity naturally. Some people have finally realized that masks are useless, distancing is impossible, and mobile tracking is intrusive, unreliable, and an invasion of privacy.

There are many groups starting to fight back, and are organizing to get this country back to normal again. These simpletons will not be voted back in. If one person test positive for Covid-19, and the only answer is, just shut the whole whole country down again? This is just sheer insanity. Now detention centers are being built, to force citizens and their families into quarantine. And, we start blaming others for their non-compliance? Really? Not the simple impractical draconian policies of this moronic simpleton government.

But I guess sheep will always be sheep.
 

SethBullock

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I will say that I supported masking, social distancing, and shutting down. I also got vaccinated as soon as I could (last January).

While I supported these measures, I certainly grew weary of them and looked forward to getting back to normal. We are back to normal now, and it’s a good feeling.

I know some people fear the vaccine, and there have been some very small percentage of people who have had some bad reactions to it. But on the other hand, hundreds of millions of people have had no bad reactions to it, and now, something like 90% of people who are getting sick are people who are unvaccinated (in Oregon).
 

Shellandshilo1956

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I will say that I supported masking, social distancing, and shutting down. I also got vaccinated as soon as I could (last January).

While I supported these measures, I certainly grew weary of them and looked forward to getting back to normal. We are back to normal now, and it’s a good feeling.

I know some people fear the vaccine, and there have been some very small percentage of people who have had some bad reactions to it. But on the other hand, hundreds of millions of people have had no bad reactions to it, and now, something like 90% of people who are getting sick are people who are unvaccinated (in Oregon).
Seth my problem is NOT in the measures the government has taken in response to this overhyped flu-like virus. My problem is that these measures are NOT VOLUNTARY. Business owners won't let you in their businesses if you don't comply with these restrictions. Business owners are forced to implement these restrictions, or face fines or even imprisonment. People are being shamed and threatened for choosing not to comply. Or, for choosing to develop their immunity naturally. People are willing to isolate Australia from the rest of the world, close down its interstate borders, destroy its own economy, put a million Australians on unemployment, and end the hopes and dreams of small businesses and industries.

If people choose voluntarily to follow these medical safety protocols, that's their business. But, to force their hype onto rational people is just criminal. We have just opened pandora's box, and have allowed more government interference into our private lives. I said it as a joke, but they really ARE building quarantine centers to house/detain anyone who tests positive for Covid-19. Do you have any idea the effect/stigma this could have on the victims(and families) incarcerated, through no fault of their own?

People have become so complacent, conditioned, and apathetic, that they would rather believe in all the hype, half-truths, and fear-mongering, than ever consider the most obvious facts. Apathy and ignorance are more insidious, than any abuse of power.
 

SethBullock

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Seth my problem is NOT in the measures the government has taken in response to this overhyped flu-like virus. My problem is that these measures are NOT VOLUNTARY. Business owners won't let you in their businesses if you don't comply with these restrictions. Business owners are forced to implement these restrictions, or face fines or even imprisonment. People are being shamed and threatened for choosing not to comply. Or, for choosing to develop their immunity naturally. People are willing to isolate Australia from the rest of the world, close down its interstate borders, destroy its own economy, put a million Australians on unemployment, and end the hopes and dreams of small businesses and industries.

If people choose voluntarily to follow these medical safety protocols, that's their business. But, to force their hype onto rational people is just criminal. We have just opened pandora's box, and have allowed more government interference into our private lives. I said it as a joke, but they really ARE building quarantine centers to house/detain anyone who tests positive for Covid-19. Do you have any idea the effect/stigma this could have on the victims(and families) incarcerated, through no fault of their own?

People have become so complacent, conditioned, and apathetic, that they would rather believe in all the hype, half-truths, and fear-mongering, than ever consider the most obvious facts. Apathy and ignorance are more insidious, than any abuse of power.
From the standpoint of an American, some of what Australia has done seems draconian to me, such as restricting interstate travel or arresting a pregnant woman out of her house for supporting a rally on social media.

Our cultures have much in common, but distinct differences at the same time.

I still don’t think I know if you have a low vaccination rate because of unavailability or refusal to vaccinate. If it’s the latter, I expect you all may choose to live with all the restrictions for a long time.

It’s your country.

But I sure like being able to go back to normal.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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I still don’t think I know if you have a low vaccination rate because of unavailability or refusal to vaccinate. If it’s the latter, I expect you all may choose to live with all the restrictions for a long time.
So, people are being held hostage, and threatened with indefinite lockdowns for refusing to be vaccinated. No biggy! People here are cheering the government, and hope that they lockup everyone. Even those they think might have the virus. Apathy and ignorance abounds. Sheep following their shepherd.

The government's response to this crisis is simple and juvenile. Calling it draconian would be a compliment.
 

pinkeye

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the govt is fucked. Pathetic pieces of highly paid wastes of space.

However vaccines are still voluntary, unless you choose to work in frontline and care facilities.
Note I don't say hospitals . Apparently it will become mandatory for such folk to have vaccinations.

I think that is fair enough.
 

SethBullock

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I just looked it up, and I see that about 25% of your population has had at least one dose, and that percentage is still on the rise daily.
 
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