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HBS Guy

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Just back from the Central Market. Very very quiet, few people. Coles was busier than the actual market (had to stock up on incontinence pants for Mum.)

Charlesworth the dried fruit and nut stall was shut, the tobacconist shop was open. Pardon me? Selling an addictive, deadly drug is an essential service??? (The bottleshop was open too oops so I could get the barley wine and brandy for the huge fruitcake I am about to make. I mean HUGE—14 fucking eggs go into it!)

Sad seeing all the tables and chairs outside the (closed) cafes. Traffic on the road to and fro was light, esp the to trip.

FUCK Gladys Berejiklian, should have acted much earlier.
 
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Texan

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Some things are worse than death. Open the country and let people fend for themselves. Herd immunity will come much faster. Your freedom is being threatened permanently.
 

johnsmith

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Some things are worse than death.
ohh please ... don't be so melodramatic, it doesn't help your argument. Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to claim you'd rather die than not go to a restaurant or cafe for a few weeks?
 

Texan

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ohh please ... don't be so melodramatic, it doesn't help your argument. Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to claim you'd rather die than not go to a restaurant or cafe for a few weeks?
I'm talking about being told what to do for the rest of your life under penalty of law. If I'm worried about a disease, I will adjust my life. Now that I've had the disease and protected my vulnerable, I'm ready to get on with my life. I went 6 months without hugging my parents. I only saw my parents on their front lawn. I protected my 89 year old mother in law before my son brought covid home by keeping her at my SIL's house and after we recovered by keeping her in our home when someone got sick at my SIL's house. My parents and MIL are now vaccinated and we visit them at will now unless we have been in crowds of people before seeing them. I've made a lot of adjustments, but I do them by my own will and not because some bureaucrat wants to control me in the name of preventing the spread of a disease that I've already had and carry the antibodies for. When does your incarceration end? Are you wearing an ankle monitor yet or is it built into your phone?
 
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SethBullock

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ohh please ... don't be so melodramatic, it doesn't help your argument. Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to claim you'd rather die than not go to a restaurant or cafe for a few weeks?
Statistics are showing that the vaccines are 99% effective at preventing the disease from requiring hospitalization or causing death. I can't speak for whether what is true in the U.S. is true in Australia. But in the U.S. the majority of people who have not gotten vaccinated don't want to get vaccinated. The vaccines are widely available. If I weren't already vaccinated, I could walk into a nearby pharmacy and get vaccinated. It's that easy, and it's free of charge. So it seems to me that if you're vaccinated, or if you've already had the disease and recovered from it, or even if you choose not to get vaccinated, you should not have restrictions anymore. If you're infected, the risk you pose to other people is almost exclusively to unvaccinated people who chose not to vaccinate.

I think it's time to open up and go back to normal. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then so be it, but understand the possible consequences. Choices have consequences.
 

Texan

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Statistics are showing that the vaccines are 99% effective at preventing the disease from requiring hospitalization or causing death. I can't speak for whether what is true in the U.S. is true in Australia. But in the U.S. the majority of people who have not gotten vaccinated don't want to get vaccinated. The vaccines are widely available. If I weren't already vaccinated, I could walk into a nearby pharmacy and get vaccinated. It's that easy, and it's free of charge. So it seems to me that if you're vaccinated, or if you've already had the disease and recovered from it, or even if you choose not to get vaccinated, you should not have restrictions anymore. If you're infected, the risk you pose to other people is almost exclusively to unvaccinated people who chose not to vaccinate.

I think it's time to open up and go back to normal. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then so be it, but understand the possible consequences. Choices have consequences.
If you look at fugitive Texas Democrats, the vaccine is only 88% effective. 6 of the 51 or so fleeing politicians are infected with covid and all of them were fully vaccinated.
 

Squire

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If you look at fugitive Texas Democrats, the vaccine is only 88% effective. 6 of the 51 or so fleeing politicians are infected with covid and all of them were fully vaccinated.
They are all still alive unlike a lot of conservatives who didn't vaccinate.
 

SethBullock

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If you look at fugitive Texas Democrats, the vaccine is only 88% effective. 6 of the 51 or so fleeing politicians are infected with covid and all of them were fully vaccinated.
Yes, but the vaccines, as I understand them, do not prevent you from becoming infected, so that doesn't surprise me. The vaccines help you fight the infection. That 99% unvaccinated number is coming from the percentage of patients needing hospitalization or who die.
 

johnsmith

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I'm talking about being told what to do for the rest of your life under penalty of law.
again, you're being meladramtic ... none of the current restrictions will be here for the 'rest of our lives' ... not unless we die in the next week or so. I certainly have no plans to do that. These measure are temporary and fleeting.

When does your incarceration end? Are you wearing an ankle monitor yet or is it built into your phone?
My last lock down lasted 3 days ...whoop de doo. It only drags on when people don't listen because they're more concerned about their enforcing their rights.
 

johnsmith

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So it seems to me that if you're vaccinated, or if you've already had the disease and recovered from it, or even if you choose not to get vaccinated, you should not have restrictions anymore

The biggest problem in Australia is the lack of supply. We simply do not have enough covid to cover those who want it. It would be selfish to demand you be free to do what you like just because you are vaccinated .................. you can still spread covid to others who aren't.
 

Texan

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It would be selfish for me to want to work to support my family or to plan a holiday trip and pay for it in advance. How many people have lost their livelihoods or their chance at a college education over these lockdowns? How many elderly have died without getting to see their loved ones because of travel restrictions? My nephew has had to extend his college attendance 12 months so far because of the unavailability of required classes to graduate. What's going to happen when covid 24 hits or covid 28?
 

SethBullock

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The biggest problem in Australia is the lack of supply. We simply do not have enough covid to cover those who want it. It would be selfish to demand you be free to do what you like just because you are vaccinated .................. you can still spread covid to others who aren't.
In the U.S. 187 million people have received at least one dose of vaccine, and 162 million are fully vaccinated (49% of the population). I should think that supply should not be a problem for a first world country of 25 million. I realize that your population is spread out over a large area, but so is ours.

I don't mean to be critical just for the sake of being critical, but why is this?
 

Squire

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In the U.S. 187 million people have received at least one dose of vaccine, and 162 million are fully vaccinated (49% of the population). I should think that supply should not be a problem for a first world country of 25 million. I realize that your population is spread out over a large area, but so is ours.

I don't mean to be critical just for the sake of being critical, but why is this?
There are a number of reasons:
  1. Government incompetence;
  2. Power of the US government followed by UK, and Europe to demand priority over vaccine supply; and
  3. It is not the nature of Australians to push the government into action.
 

johnsmith

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I don't mean to be critical just for the sake of being critical, but why is this?
Because our government has stuffed up the rollout. It has been mixed messages from the very beginning over the vaccines ... who was to have what, when, what was safe and what wasn't. It changed almost on a weekly basis. It's been a complete shambles.
 

HBS Guy

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But finally vaccines are being administered in big numbers. In about 6 weeks me and Mum get the second jab.
 
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