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HBS Guy

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I have heard some women disguised as men fought in the US Civil War. Have not come across any instances in my reading, except this just now:

In the spring of 1862, when the Nineteenth Illinois was actively engaged in Tennessee, Colonel Turchin was taken seriously ill, and was carried for days in an ambulance. Madame Turchin not only nursed her husband most tenderly, but took his place at the head of the regiment—the men in the ranks, and the subordinate officers, according her implicit and cheerful obedience. She was not one whit behind her husband in courage or military skill. Utterly devoid of fear, and manifesting perfect indifference to shot or shell, or minie-balls, even when they fell thickly around her, she led the troops into action, lacing the hottest fire, and fought bravely at their head. When her husband was able to resume his command, she gave herself again to the care of the sick and wounded, in the field hospital.


Livermore, Mary Ashton. My Story Of The War:: A Woman’s Narrative Of Four Years Personal Experience As Nurse In The Union Army [Illustrated Edition] (p. 71). Golden Springs Publishing. Kindle Edition.
Just before that extract a woman dressed as a Union recruit was taken out the ranks. So, two women. But I am thinking of women who fought in the ranks, disguised as men, for some time.

Hmmm the author states a page further on that women did disguise themselves as men and fought in the army, sometimes unmasked when wounded. No details tho.
 
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HBS Guy

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Scurvy is a disease we associate with long voyages on sailing ships. It also happened to soldiers in the Union (and probably more frequently in the rebel army.) One of a band who volunteered in artillery returned carrying his teeth in his pocket, not his mouth!

Why did scurvy not affect more soldiers? The women of the North! They organised great “Sanitary Fairs” which raised money (and donations in kind) to send fruit and vegetables to the troops (e.g. Grants army before Vicksburg) and recruited nurses and doctors to minister to sick and wounded soldiers (more Civil War soldiers were killed by bacteria than bullets.) They also got rid of drunk or incompetent surgeons.

If you want to visit the state of Mississippi today you would need several vaccinations—just imagine the swarms of disease carrying mosquitoes in the marshes and bayous of Louisiana and Mississippi. Soldiers drank that water {shudder.} Nobody thought to boil it or provide small beer to drink instead or provide safe drinking water to the troops.
 

HBS Guy

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Women necessarily did a lot of work on their farms. Some became suffragettes as a result.
 

HBS Guy

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Apparently onions are “anti scorbutics” or high in the vitamins that prevent and cure scurvy.

I had read in one or two Civil War books that scurvy was beginning to appear. It was more than beginning!
 

SethBullock

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President Biden intends to pull the last of our troops out of Afghanistan by September.

From the Yank forum, a poster starts, and Seth responds ....

"How appropriate that we'll pull out of Afghanistan exactly 20 years after the event that caused us to go there in the first place. For those who shed blood and sweat in this conflict, this date will be the big message that yes, all of this was all for nothing.

Oh, and once we leave, the Taliban will take over the government, execute the current government officials as traitors, and, finally, return Afghanistan into a strict Sharia state. Operation Freedom, my foot!

But, and I'm serious, I can't see any reason to continue the conflict in Afghanistan. And, I want us to pull out of there. Whether we really leave or not, or our allies stay or leave, will probably never be covered by the MSM."
As the father of one who fought in Afghanistan, I can make the case that it was worth it.

I expect that after we leave, the Afghan army will crumble under a taliban assault, and the taliban will once again take over Afghanistan. I think that could happen in 3 months, 6 months at most. (Hell, it could happen in 3 weeks.)

So why was it worth it?

Because from a purely military standpoint, the taliban is next to nothing in the face of our air power and the prowess of our Marine and Army ground units. This means that if the U.S. should ever come under attack by Al Qaeda again, based out of Afghanistan, that we possess the ability to punish them again ... rather easily I might add. Our expeditionary ability has been proven to them, and our military superiority. Unless they are insane, this should serve as a credible deterrent.

The deterrent is the win, and it is what makes the sacrifices our troops made worth it. Their fundamental duty and mission was to protect America, and they have done so.

And the taliban should know ... they can do it again. The taliban may have their country ... and their lives ... because we let them have them.

If they allow or enable another event similar to 9/11, then hell is coming to dinner.

God bless our troops.
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HBS Guy

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Should have invaded Saudi. It was the Saudi Wahhabi sect did the 9/11 atrocitiies.
 

Squire

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President Biden intends to pull the last of our troops out of Afghanistan by September.

From the Yank forum, a poster starts, and Seth responds ....



As the father of one who fought in Afghanistan, I can make the case that it was worth it.

I expect that after we leave, the Afghan army will crumble under a taliban assault, and the taliban will once again take over Afghanistan. I think that could happen in 3 months, 6 months at most. (Hell, it could happen in 3 weeks.)

So why was it worth it?

Because from a purely military standpoint, the taliban is next to nothing in the face of our air power and the prowess of our Marine and Army ground units. This means that if the U.S. should ever come under attack by Al Qaeda again, based out of Afghanistan, that we possess the ability to punish them again ... rather easily I might add. Our expeditionary ability has been proven to them, and our military superiority. Unless they are insane, this should serve as a credible deterrent.

The deterrent is the win, and it is what makes the sacrifices our troops made worth it. Their fundamental duty and mission was to protect America, and they have done so.

And the taliban should know ... they can do it again. The taliban may have their country ... and their lives ... because we let them have them.

If they allow or enable another event similar to 9/11, then hell is coming to dinner.

God bless our troops.
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The Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11.

There is no evidence that Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11.

The 9/11 commission and the NIST report were frauds against the people of America. Follow the money.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...talks-taliban-still-deny-al-qaeda-was-behind/
 

Shellandshilo1956

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President Biden intends to pull the last of our troops out of Afghanistan by September.

From the Yank forum, a poster starts, and Seth responds ....



As the father of one who fought in Afghanistan, I can make the case that it was worth it.

I expect that after we leave, the Afghan army will crumble under a taliban assault, and the taliban will once again take over Afghanistan. I think that could happen in 3 months, 6 months at most. (Hell, it could happen in 3 weeks.)

So why was it worth it?

Because from a purely military standpoint, the taliban is next to nothing in the face of our air power and the prowess of our Marine and Army ground units. This means that if the U.S. should ever come under attack by Al Qaeda again, based out of Afghanistan, that we possess the ability to punish them again ... rather easily I might add. Our expeditionary ability has been proven to them, and our military superiority. Unless they are insane, this should serve as a credible deterrent.

The deterrent is the win, and it is what makes the sacrifices our troops made worth it. Their fundamental duty and mission was to protect America, and they have done so.

And the taliban should know ... they can do it again. The taliban may have their country ... and their lives ... because we let them have them.

If they allow or enable another event similar to 9/11, then hell is coming to dinner.

God bless our troops.
:salute:
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I really think that you're just taking the piss out of us Seth. You know that the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11. It was al Qaeda. Why didn't we attack the Saudi's for financing al Qaeda(and bin Laden). 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were saudi citizens. Simple reason? If we ever attacked Saudi Arabia, the Saudi government would collapse the American economy. And, America would lose its power to sanction any country. Its dollar would plummet, creating the worst depression since 1906(100 times worse). So the Saudi's can chop-up as many American journalists as the want. And, pimp the US forces to wherever it wants.

If we haven't made the "don't mess with us" point after 20 years on Afghan soil, then we never will. We have proven nothing to the Taliban, who still control over 54% of Afghanistan. This is not a Hollywood movie. We don't illegally invade a country, kick their ass, stay on their soil for 20 years, insult their language, customs, culture, religions, and their people, and then expect a "thank you". All we are doing, is creating more hatred for Americans, and even more determined groups of terrorists to destroy us. Just leave! Just get out!!

Soldiers only follow orders. So, they are not responsible. Although many soldiers have committed many acts of atrocities, by their inaction or actions, and ARE completely responsible. What happens in THEIR country, is THEIR business. We simply need to get out, and stop wasting the lives of OUR young men and women. The only way to win in Afghanistan, is to gas, bomb, and kill every living thing in the country. No more threat, no more potential threats. But prolonging this useless, ambiguous war on terrorism, serves only to fattens the bank accounts of the war profiteers, the MIC, the Media Conglomerates, and all other opportunistic war parasites. Of course, this has nothing to do with the billions of barrels of oil and natural gas that the Afghans control?
 

HBS Guy

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There was a rather ludicrous affair in the US Civil War, just read the little book on it by one who took part, escaped Confederate prison twice, the second time successfully.

It was the time when Nashville had been evacuated by the rebels due to the loss of Forts Henry & Donelson, central Tennessee only saw minor military activity.

A plan was hatched to send a team deep into Georgia (Marietta and Big Shanty) to steal a train, take it north, ripping up rails and burning railway bridges. Yup, bit loony toons.

A train was stolen but the pursuit caught up with the stolen train—it had run out of water and wood to burn. The train thieves were caught, some were executed, some escaped. But for the rain which cost the team a day they would have done it but on the day they stole the train there were so many down trains (single track rail line, have to wait on a siding to let the other train pass) that they just could not get away.

Wiki has an account of it, Disney made a movie of it in the 1950s but surely films by Buster Keaton and the Marx Bros were inspired by this event?

Wilson, John A.. The Mitchell Railroad Raiders (Abridged, Annotated) . BIG BYTE BOOKS. Kindle Edition.

I have read books of prison escapes in WWI & WWII, these poor bastards had it a lot rougher than those of the later wars. Most nutritious food they found—pumpkin seeds. Like to eat raw corn, catfish? that was the author and his mate, after escaping from jail in Atlanta they decided to head south to the Gulf. Like whitewater rafting in a wooden boat, at night?
 

Squire

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I have been having an ongoing discussion with people on the Yank forum about Iraq.

Dunno if any of you are interested, but it's here: http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/biden’s-pentagon-‘open’-to-increasing-troop-levels-in-iraq.585292/
Iraq is an abject failure. The USA will be very lucky if an independent Iraqi government does not emerge because such a government would sue the USA in the world court for reparations.

Regime change could have been achieved without invasion and devastation. Saddam Hussein was prepared to leave peacefully, but the USA would not allow it because the Pentagon wants war to test their weapons and train their cannon fodder. That is why the USA has been in a nearly constant state of war with some country or another since independence.
 

SethBullock

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There was a rather ludicrous affair in the US Civil War, just read the little book on it by one who took part, escaped Confederate prison twice, the second time successfully.

It was the time when Nashville had been evacuated by the rebels due to the loss of Forts Henry & Donelson, central Tennessee only saw minor military activity.

A plan was hatched to send a team deep into Georgia (Marietta and Big Shanty) to steal a train, take it north, ripping up rails and burning railway bridges. Yup, bit loony toons.

A train was stolen but the pursuit caught up with the stolen train—it had run out of water and wood to burn. The train thieves were caught, some were executed, some escaped. But for the rain which cost the team a day they would have done it but on the day they stole the train there were so many down trains (single track rail line, have to wait on a siding to let the other train pass) that they just could not get away.

Wiki has an account of it, Disney made a movie of it in the 1950s but surely films by Buster Keaton and the Marx Bros were inspired by this event?

Wilson, John A.. The Mitchell Railroad Raiders (Abridged, Annotated) . BIG BYTE BOOKS. Kindle Edition.

I have read books of prison escapes in WWI & WWII, these poor bastards had it a lot rougher than those of the later wars. Most nutritious food they found—pumpkin seeds. Like to eat raw corn, catfish? that was the author and his mate, after escaping from jail in Atlanta they decided to head south to the Gulf. Like whitewater rafting in a wooden boat, at night?
You might enjoy this true account of British WW1 pilots who became POWs and their endless attempts to escape from their German captors.

escape.jpg
 
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