Vaccine mandates

[Shellandshilo1956]

Yep - Shell can't prove this - another pseudoscience. And if there is no pathway, well, i wouldn't be able to prove it -> but first up why would 2 ethanoic acid molecules (or ethanoate, if they ionised or get ionised) would join to produce a longer single chained fatty acid? Well, the methyl group on one side aren't reactive, while I'm not aware of how a carboxylic group bonds to another carboxylic group covalently - i've done plenty of carboxylic with other functional groups, but not carboxylic to carboxylic acid.

It sounds you're frustrated that you couldn't prove your "common sense" and got angry. It's fine. I don't mind being corrected, but it appears you've scored yet another pseudoscience to add to all the others.

As for where's the energy and hence fat from - i reckon it's the sugars in the drinks that causes people to get fat - it's virtually a sugar drink with alcohol to give people the buzz. Choose low sugar.

I may be passionate in what I believe in. But I really try to do my homework first, and still keep an open mind. I expect trolls like John to play head-games, but I don't even know you. And, you're already playing head-games. This level of misrepresentation(carboxyl group plus carboxyl group equals fat???), insincerity, and the pompous a deceitful way of ignoring and deflecting away from the actual argument, can really be very annoying.

It wouldn't matter if I talk about esterification, ionic bonding(not covalent), or the formation of anhydrides, you'd just keep changing the goal posts, and opening up another rabbit hole. It reminds me of people arguing about transitional fossils. They just keep asking for just one more transitional fossil, until you can't anymore. And, then they claim victory. But if you really do want to discuss the three pathways, that the body uses to convert alcohol to fatty acids and to triglycerides(fat), and have no idea how this could ever occur, then please lets have a private chat.

SO, does alcohol promote the accumulation of fat in the liver OR NOT? Does the liver substitute ethanol for fatty acids as the major hepatic fuel? OR NOT? Does the degree of lipid accumulation in the liver depend on the supply of dietary fat? OR NOT? Is alcohol toxic to the body in any amount? OR NOT? Will these be more questions for you to ignore? OR NOT??

Effects of ethanol on lipid metabolism - PubMed

Alcohol promotes accumulation of fat in the liver mainly by substitution of ethanol for fatty acids as the major hepatic fuel. The degree of lipid accumulation depends on the supply of dietary fat. Progressive alteration of the mitochondria, which occurs during chronic alcohol consumption...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Want To Know What Alcohol Actually Does To Your Body? | The Biting Truth

Drinking too much alcohol can take its toll, so here are some things that you may want to consider before gulping down that next glass.

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You still keep avoiding all of my questions. And, maybe if you look at your gut, you might see that "common sense" I was talking about. I won't ask any more, or you might start talking about the quantum field theory next.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

experimental treatment? I hope you tell him to stay away from that shit. We all know you don't use drugs that haven't been tested for at least ten years

Stage 4 Squamous Cell Carcinoma is 99% fatal in 5 years. Any shit that might give him a chance against a disease with this mortality rate, would be a Godsend. REGARDLESS IF IT IS EXPERIMENTAL OR NOT!! But, an experimental vaccine, for a flu virus with a mortality rate of less than 1% in a couple of weeks? Really?? But again, not the point I was making.

 

[johnsmith]

But, an experimental vaccine

how many people must they test it on before it stops being experimental in your eyes?

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

how many people must they test it on before it stops being experimental in your eyes?

Again you are missing the point. It doesn't matter if ANY drug is experimental or not, and all conventional drugs and treatments are ineffective, then any other treatment will do. Laetrile was an experimental cancer drug, and was banned in the US in 1980. But its compounds are still being used today in cancer therapy.

There is a big difference in using any experimental drug, to treat any disease with a mortality rate of less than 1%. And, a disease with a mortality rate of 99%. One could hurt you and is unnecessary, and the other couldn't hurt, and maybe 100% necessary!

Regarding your question, in this case, completely irrelevant!

 

[johnsmith]

Again you are missing the point.

and you ran away from providing an answer to what is a fairly simple question. Lets try again shall we.

How many?

 

[stunspore]

This level of misrepresentation(carboxyl group plus carboxyl group equals fat???), insincerity, and the pompous a deceitful way of ignoring and deflecting away from the actual argument, can really be very annoying.

No head games. I genuinely don't know. However, the article does not suggest that alcohol converts to fat. Rather something else is happening. Which i leave you to read, as you might actually learn something real.

And in terms of deflecting, there seems to be two arguments that you keep alternating. Your pseudoscience and then your "my body,my choice" thing. It's pretty boring and sad. You've said your bit, made your point clear that you won't change your mind ever.

As for my "my body, my choice" - you live in a society. Otherwise move to another country or to another suburb - like Byron Bay. Just cause the level of government intervention exceed your limits of tolerance doesn't mean it has for others. There will always be someone who is unhappy with the level of government intervention - even if extemist right wing parties take control.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

No head games. I genuinely don't know. However, the article does not suggest that alcohol converts to fat. Rather something else is happening. Which i leave you to read, as you might actually learn something real.

And in terms of deflecting, there seems to be two arguments that you keep alternating. Your pseudoscience and then your "my body,my choice" thing. It's pretty boring and sad. You've said your bit, made your point clear that you won't change your mind ever.

As for my "my body, my choice" - you live in a society. Otherwise move to another country or to another suburb - like Byron Bay. Just cause the level of government intervention exceed your limits of tolerance doesn't mean it has for others. There will always be someone who is unhappy with the level of government intervention - even if extemist right wing parties take control.

Did you just conflate "my body, my choice", as me being unhappy about the level of government intervention into my personal privacy and tolerance level?? And, then tell me that if I don't agree that the government should force me to stick a poison into my body, that I should just move to another country(or suburb??)? I've always thought that having this right was an obvious no-brainer. But, I guess it does require a brain!

My point, no matter how many times I ask, was for you to ADDRESS THE POINTS AND QUESTIONS I RAISE! Not just to tell me how many times I've raised them. Or, what science I'm using. But, anything I ask you is ignored. Anything that I deposit is dismissed without explanations or examples. And, people don't change their minds about the truth!

So again, FUCK OFF! Go play your silly head games with people just like you. Any moron knows that toxins are toxic to the body in any amount. And, no amount of changing the goal post is going to change that fact.

 

[HBS Guy]

There is a BA2 variant of Omicron that is more infectious and makes people sicker:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/21/quite-dangerous-australias-slowing-covid-booster-rollout-worries-doctors

Long COVID can also affect the asymptomatic cases.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

There is a BA2 variant of Omicron that is more infectious and makes people sicker:

The BA.2 variant is more infectious than what? And, how much more infectious is it to what? If its virulence(severity) is considered milder than the original(or Alpha and Delta), then HOW does it make people sicker? Or, are you saying(like the article), that it is a stealthy variant. And, is just waiting to become potentially more dangerous? Insane!

Firstly, mutations that make a virus more deadly may NOT give the virus an opportunity to spread to different hosts. So mutations in COVID-19 will favor being more infectious rather than being more deadly. However, more infectious does mean that more people will have serious reactions, and more hospitalizations and deaths(from other comorbidities and complications).

I like what one lady said in this article about these jabs,

“I’m not an anti-vax, I’m pro-choice,” she said.

All her four children, aged 8 to 22, have had their childhood vaccinations, but she will not vaccinate the youngest against Covid. She had the first two doses so she could continue to work, but will not be getting her third.

“I will not be having a booster and a lot of people I talk to say they aren’t either,” she said. “When is it going to stop, one, two, three, seven, eight, nine ... jabs?”.

Indeed, when the fuck is it going to stop!!! When will you sheeples start asking questions? Instead of just rationalizing every insinuation, inference, possibility, assumption, and false equivalence that the media spews out? Even after over 2 years of all their bullshit, we are still getting more cases, more deaths, more restrictions, and more stupid excuses. I suppose you can always say, that it could've been worse before these vaccines. Except that it wasn't!!

At some point in this reality, even the weakest link in the chain of fools, will begin to realize that there is no way that man can physically or artificially stop or prevent any virus from infecting people. Unless God Himself intervenes.

Like I've said before, What you choose to put into your body is your business, not mine. But the bar will just keep changing for these rules, requirements, and mandates. We will just become a nation of vaccine junkies waiting for our next fix(a nanny state). A vaccine to protect us from every conceivable variant that is discovered.

Imagine holding businesses and jobs hostage, to coerce and force people to be vaccinated. Or, to label, demonize, shame, and discriminate against fellow Australians who are NOT vaccinated. I never thought this madness could ever happen in Australia. But I guess that it is always easier to say YES than it is to say NO for sheeples. Right? The true image of Aussies, is now piss-weak!!

 

[HBS Guy]

We are in the middle of a fucking pandemic—rules change. Stop being a prissy fucking coward and get the jab before a nasty variant comes around.

If you said it before no need to say it again.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

We are in the middle of a fucking pandemic—rules change. Stop being a prissy fucking coward and get the jab before a nasty variant comes around.

If you said it before no need to say it again.

List of human disease case fatality rates - Wikipedia

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An epidemic with a mortality rate of less than 1.6%(if you're over 70yo) unvaccinated??? You hold our jobs and our freedoms as hostage. You force our people and our children to wear masks, and become antisocial, angry, vaccine junkies, and to be fearful of a flu virus. You force our people to stick a rushed vaccine into their body without their consent. A vaccine that so far has produced 14 variants. A vaccine that does NOT prevent infections, deaths, or transmission. All because of a pathogen with a survival rate of over 98%. The only thing more insane than allowing this to have happened, is to keep parroting your default security blanket, "It's a pandemic! So they can stick it to me, and my children, anyway they want to.", as a justification. Maybe you should also stop repeating the same lies again and again!

So, you are no longer fear-mongering about what is happening. You are now fear-mongering about what might happen, what could happen, or what could possibly happen. Insane, and irresponsible! Just like any true politician. If you can't demonstrate the reality that you have, then just spin the reality that you want. This epidemic is not the reason for all this bullshit happening to Australians. It is because of people like you!

 

[stunspore]

It's fine. prochoicer who doesn't know science is welcome to own personal choice. Too bad trying to ruin it for the rest of us who want to remain healthy.

 

[johnsmith]

So shell has twice now run away from answering a simple question out of fear that his hysteria might be exposed

 

[HBS Guy]

I wear a mask while shopping, so what?

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

It's fine. prochoicer who doesn't know science is welcome to own personal choice. Too bad trying to ruin it for the rest of us who want to remain healthy.

Oh, I certainly have more than just a basic understanding of many of the sciences. And, I also strive to remain healthy. But I'm not going to fuck-over my fellow Australians lives, just for me to remain healthy. That would be extremely selfish. Yet, you sheeples would do it without a thought! If you are all fully vaccinated, how is anyone a threat to your health?? Just irrational and stupid! Seeing a picture of 6yo children in a classroom wearing little masks, was the saddest thing I've ever seen. In Australia???

Ruin WHAT for the rest of you? Your media induced beliefs? Your elitism, and need to belong? Or, your anxiety and fear addiction fix? Ruin WHAT?

If you only want to hear your beliefs in an echo-chamber, then DON'T STEP OUTSIDE and risk hearing the truth! The hardest thing to change is the minds of people. But the easiest thing to control is the minds of people.

Here's is another simple question for you to avoid. Are you an Anti-choicer? Do you believe that people should NOT have the choice of freely deciding what goes into their body?? If you say that people should have this choice, then you are prochoice. If not, then you are an extremists who enjoys watching anyone who disagrees with you suffer.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

I wear a mask while shopping, so what?

Why? Are you infected? Do you think that someone in the 5% unvaccinated population will infect you? Aren't you already vaccinated in ether case? Maybe you are just conditioned to do so without thought?

If wearing a mask makes you feel safe and secure, then do so. No one is stopping you. But I am being forced to. Big difference! Fortunately, most businesses I frequent, care more about the people, than if they are vaccinated or wearing a useless mask. Most people still have some common sense left.

 

[HBS Guy]

You wear a mask to protect other people, as you know damn well.

Boohoo you are being forced to. Baby!

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

So shell has twice now run away from answering a simple question out of fear that his hysteria might be exposed

You avoid, dismiss, and run away from every question I ask. Now you ask me a stupid and irrelevant question about how many people must a drug be tested on before it stops being an experimental drug. Nothing to do with the point I was making. The point was, that this mRNA vaccine is experimental, unnecessary, and free. But, the Squamous Cell Carcinoma treatment for my friend, is also experimental, is extremely necessary, but cost 120K.

As to this stupid distraction, how the fuck would I know you moronic troll. Go check the the standards provided by the FDA, or the CDC, if you're really that interested. But of course you're not, are you? Just looking for anything to exploit!! Sad little masochist!

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

You wear a mask to protect other people, as you know damn well.

Boohoo you are being forced to. Baby!

No I don't damn well know, you moron! If you're not infected, then what are you protecting other people from? Recognition? Do you take your mask off when eating and drinking? Do you think the virus waits for you to finish your meal and drink? Or, do you use a straw??

Are you trivializing the government making policies, to force people to stick anything they want into their body? Same question to you. Are you an Anti-choicer? Do you believe that people should NOT have the choice to freely decide what goes into their body?? As John would say, its a simple question. Now let the tap-dancing begin!

 

[HBS Guy]

Asymptomatic infections.