Vaccine mandates

HBS Guy

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Are they wrong?

We believe in democracy—what could overeride that in one aspect?

We are in a pandemic! The unvaccinated take up by far the biggest number of the severely ill in hospital despite their being a tiny majority in the wider population.

Should there be exceptions? Sure—medical exemptions—for the iummuno compromised etc.

We are now seeing 70-80 deaths per day in the eastern states plus SA. Obviously restrictions were eased too early and too quick. 70-80 deaths a day from the “benign” Omnicron strain—what happens when a deadlier strain hits our shores?

Some have excessive fears of the mRNA vaccines. No, they do not go into your cell, don’t alter your DNA. There are other, non=mRNA, vaccines available!

We live in time of a pandemic. Safeguarding life should be our priority.

Please keep your replies to the point,
 

greggerypeccary

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I have no problem with the current mandates.

And I didn't particularity want to get the jabs (x3) myself, but I did it for my parents and for the wider community.
 

SethBullock

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No surprises from me. You all know where I stand. I am pro-vax. But I am against mandates.

We need to be free to assemble, go to work, travel, and send our kids to school.

In addition to the vaccines, it sounds like some new Covid specific medicines will come available this year.

I think we’ve reached a point where mandates and restrictions just don’t matter that much anymore. I may change that opinion if a new much deadlier variant arises, but for now I think we should try to get back to normal.
 

johnsmith

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I'm happy with Australia's position over the last 2 years. The vaccine isn't just about protecting you, it's about protecting others as well.
 

stunspore

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Mandates designed to keep people safe. Like seat belts, or crossing the lights when pedestrian lights are green. By nature, they should overwrite individual freedoms.
 

mothra

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A very interesting commentary. I've been checking this guy out, he breaks down the actual science brilliantly:

 

Shellandshilo1956

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A very interesting commentary. I've been checking this guy out, he breaks down the actual science brilliantly:

Although this data is from England and the US in 2020, and have nothing to do with Australia, the data is consistent with basic logic and commonsense. Although he never explains what the direct causal link between Covid-19 is, that has caused such an increase in the list of death-related comorbidities, I still agree with the first part of the video. That is, that unvaccinated people who have been infected and have recovered from Covid-19, do not need to be vaccinated?? That this violates the Healthcare philosophy of individual care. The evidence clearly show no difference in virulence, or in transmission, between the vaccinated and the recovered unvaccinated. Gee, what a surprise! The truth!

Also, how are people who are unvaccinated, and have not been infected with this virus at risk? Are we saying that they are at a high risk, because they are not infected? Are we just assuming that they will become infected? So lets just infect 99% of the Australian population, based only on this assumption? Forcing everyone to trick their immune system, is just insane!

We have treatment for people who have already been infected. Even if they are seriously infected. But if you want to give your immune system a heads up, then that is your choice.

I have a 1 in over 10K chance of being infected. But if I am infected, I'll just wait and recover, and develop my immunity naturally. But, I'm sure that the government will have other mandates planned to force my compliance.
 

HBS Guy

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The antibodies do not last forever, At your age an infection will likely mean at least serious illness. We also do not want hospitals stretched beyond resources—that would be a justification for a mandate for the over-70s.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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The antibodies do not last forever, At your age an infection will likely mean at least serious illness. We also do not want hospitals stretched beyond resources—that would be a justification for a mandate for the over-70s.
Once you introduce mandates, you flush informed choice down the toilet. Without any due process.

Since these mandates have forced thousands of Healthcare professionals out of their jobs, I'd say the hospitals having stretched resources was government created. But all hospitals have their own emergency protocols for acquiring additional resources. How often in the 2 years of this apocalypse, has hospitals closed their doors, because they lacked resources?

Some antibodies don't last forever. But the memory B cell antibodies can last up 90 years. There are many factors to consider. There are many components of the immune system. And, there are many types of antibodies, that you must understand first. Before making statements without any physiological context or perspective.

We are now seeing 70-80 deaths per day in the eastern states plus SA. Obviously restrictions were eased too early and too quick. 70-80 deaths a day from the “benign” Omnicron strain—what happens when a deadlier strain hits our shores?
Are these 70-80 mostly elderly and infirmed Australians dying directly from Covid-19, or from other multiple comorbidities? Or, did they just have Covid-19 antibodies in their bloodstream when they died?

We know that Omicron is the weakest and less lethal of these variants. So why are you implying that it MIGHT BE dangerous, by calling it "benign"? Just more irresponsible fear-mongering from people who don't have a clue. It is one thing to fear an actual risk that exists. But it is just neurotic to fear a potential for risk that doesn't exist. How many actual confirmed Omicron deaths have there been?? How do you know that Omicron is just benign??
 

HBS Guy

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Benign:
Benign refers to a condition, tumor, or growth that is not cancerous. This means that it does not spread to other parts of the body. It does not invade nearby tissue. Sometimes, a condition is called benign to suggest it is not dangerous or serious
 

Shellandshilo1956

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"Benign refers to a condition, tumor, or growth that is not cancerous. This means that it does not spread to other parts of the body. It does not invade nearby tissue. Sometimes, a condition is called benign to suggest it is not dangerous or serious.".

Firstly we are NOT talking about a tumor that has not metastasized, or has invaded nearby tissues. And secondly, if a benign condition is defined as not dangerous or serious, then why are you calling a virus killing 80 Australians per day, BENIGN?? Other than the ONE elderly Australian suspected of dying from Omicron in Australia, what evidence suggest that this virus is benign or dangerous?? Or, is singlehandedly killing 80 Australians per day??

Like most things out of your mouth, they are inconsistent, illogical, biased, and without any merit or evidence. Just more irresponsible fear-mongering!!
 

HBS Guy

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You don’t like what we say. I put “benign” in quotes. If it is so benign how come all these people are dying every day from it?
 

HBS Guy

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No no. Shell is afraid and has made rationalisations, like the proportions of the vaxxed and unvaxxed that get seriously ill not meaning anything. Wrong.

He wants to depend on his immune system—it is starting to break down because of his age “Each immune system is different” but they ALL breakdown with age. In the last 3-4 years of her life Mum was angry—she got every cold and sniffle etc going around—just no immune system left at all and she had had a very strong one, just did not get colds etc. She got the double jab—at least she did not die of COVID19.
 

mothra

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And yet another thread becomes all about Shell.

I note with interest however that Shell approved of the sciennce and scientific method of the link i provided ... all the way up until it no longer supported his cognitive bias.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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You don’t like what we say. I put “benign” in quotes. If it is so benign how come all these people are dying every day from it?
You made the stupid and contradictory statement, that this is "a benign virus killing 80 or so Australians every day.". The obvious question would be, how can a benign(non-virulent) virus kill even ONE person, let alone 80 or so Australians everyday? And, using the term "benign" would only apply to viruses that can cause malignant cancers in humans. NONE of the SARS-CoV-2 variants can cause cancers in humans. As far as I know.

What you were really saying was, that even though no one has proven that the Omicron variant is solely responsible for the death of anyone in Australia, it might be just waiting out there to start killing us all! I'm sure that there are people out there, still graving their next fear-mongering fix from you. To rationalize their irrational fears.

You don’t like what we say. I put “benign” in quotes. If it is so benign how come all these people are dying every day from it?
Do you think that repeating, and replacing the same stupid contradiction with a straw man, will make your comment even less ridiculous and contradictory?? I don't care if you put "benign" in quotations or not. It has no relevance to covid-19, or to the number of deaths each day. Unless of course, you can demonstrate what the direct causal link is! I didn't think so!
 

mothra

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Definition of 'benign'
Word Frequency




benign
(bɪnaɪn)
1. ADJECTIVE [usually ADJECTIVE noun]
You use benign to describe someone who is kind, gentle, and harmless.
They are normally a more benign audience.
Critics of the scheme take a less benign view.
Synonyms: benevolent, kind, kindly, warm More Synonyms of benign
benignlyADVERB [usually ADVERB with verb]
I just smiled benignly and stood back.
2. ADJECTIVE [usually ADJECTIVE noun]
A benign substance or process does not have any harmful effects.
We're taking relatively benign medicines and we're turning them into poisons.
3. ADJECTIVE [usually ADJECTIVE noun]
A benign tumour will not cause death or serious harm.
[medicine]
It wasn't cancer, only a benign tumour.
Synonyms: harmless, innocent, superficial, innocuous More Synonyms of benign

4. ADJECTIVE [usually ADJECTIVE noun]
Benign conditions are pleasant or make it easy for something to happen.
They enjoyed an especially benign climate.
This plunge came in a time of relatively benign economic conditions.
5.
See benign neglect
More Synonyms of benign
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