Texas Abortion Ban Goes Into Effect With Help From SCOTUS

johnsmith

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Except American politicians are arguing for POST birth abortion. Its disgusting and it's murder.
again, resorting to some extreme to pretend you have a point. It says the bill would allow it because he doesn't want to restrict ther term, it doesn't say he's supports post birth abortion. I doubt many if anyone will agree to post birth abortion and it has nothing to do with the laws in Texas.
 

DreamRyderX

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Except American politicians are arguing for POST birth abortion. Its disgusting and it's murder.

It seems that some politicians seem to want to permit murder of an infant that somehow, during an botched abortion, the baby slips completely out of the birth canal.....where it then is considered 'legally' born.........it seems that some want to protect the abortionist from an obvious murder charge, & be able to kill the 'supposed to be dead' newly 'legally' born infant, with immunity.....

That's flat out murder!!!
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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In the Sovereign State of Texas they used to murder ± 60,000 innocent pre-born children a year via abortion.

The new law has been in effect since September 1, 2021.

How many innocent pre-born children's lives have been spared the butcher's wrath since then?

I'm guessing ± 1,000 children have been spared a gruesome & unnecessary death at the hands of the so called 'Progressive' Left since September 1, 2021.


± 1,000 Innocent Lives Spared & Counting ...
God Bless Texas!!!




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Thousands more Mothers Forced to Raise mentally and Physically Handicapped Children

Thousands more Unwanted Kids in Orphanages being Bounced from Family to Family


Thousands more Mothers Grieving over the Deaths of Their Young Daughters

Thousands more Mothers without a Future because of a Lapse in Judgement

Thousands more Maternal Suicides created from Despair and Hopelessness

Thousands more Mothers to be Abandoned by the Fathers of their Child

Thousands more Dead Mothers dying of Septic from botched Abortions

Thousands more Unwanted Children Hated by their Mothers

Thousands more Mothers Dying while Giving Birth

If God is Truly Good

God does Not Bless Texas

GOD BLAMES TEXAS!



 

johnsmith

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Firstly, note I only use an estimate, an estimate denoted by the ± associated with my totals.

That said, in 2019 Texas totaled 55,620 induced terminations. 2019 ITOP Statistics

55,620 yearly abortions divided by 364 days = 152.8 abortions per day on average.

September 1 thru September 12 = 12 days

For simplicity of division & multiplication, I used only 10 days.

10 times 152.8 = 1,528 or,

Number of days (10) the law has been in effect times the number of abortions done per day (152.8) = ± 1,528 abortions were previously done on average over a 10 day period.

10 days = ± 1,528

Therefore, please note I provided a much lower number of ± 1,000.

So, that's how I came up to the number I used in my post:



PS......I hope you aren't offended, but I took it for granted that each infant that would have been slaughtered/butchered by an abortionist would have been considered as an innocent?

Maybe some on the Left regard them as other than innocent, & therefore their strong desire to have these abortion candidates......the ± 1,528 innocents I refer to above, put to death horribly?

In closing, I sincerely hope I've provided you with enough information to come to a valued conclusion....




that proves nothing. You just made it up. For all you know those 'mothers' went interstate or had a backyard abortion and it was never reported. You need to stop using fantasy as some sort of replacement for fact
 

DreamRyderX

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proof please?
@johnsmith

Firstly, note I only use an estimate, an estimate denoted by the ± associated with my totals.

That said, in 2019 Texas totaled 55,620 induced terminations. 2019 ITOP Statistics

55,620 yearly abortions divided by 364 days = 152.8 abortions per day on average.

September 1 thru September 12 = 12 days

For simplicity of division & multiplication, I used only 10 days.

10 times 152.8 = 1,528 or,

Number of days (10) the law has been in effect times the number of abortions done per day (152.8) = ± 1,528 abortions were previously done on average over a 10 day period.

10 days = ± 1,528

Therefore, please note I provided a much lower number of ± 1,000.

So, that's how I came up to the number I used in my post:

± 1,000 Innocent Lives Spared & Counting ...
PS......I hope you aren't offended, but I took it for granted that each infant that would have been slaughtered/butchered by an abortionist would have been considered as an innocent?

Maybe some on the Left regard them as other than innocent, & therefore their strong desire to have these abortion candidates......the ± 1,528 innocents I refer to above, put to death horribly?

In closing, I sincerely hope I've provided you with enough information to come to a valued conclusion....






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@Shellandshilo1956

Thousands more Mothers Forced to Raise mentally and Physically Handicapped Children

Thousands more Unwanted Kids in Orphanages being Bounced from Family to Family


Thousands more Mothers Grieving over the Deaths of Their Young Daughters

Thousands more Mothers without a Future because of a Lapse in Judgement

Thousands more Maternal Suicides created from Despair and Hopelessness

Thousands more Mothers to be Abandoned by the Fathers of their Child

Thousands more Dead Mothers dying of Septic from botched Abortions

Thousands more Unwanted Children Hated by their Mothers

Thousands more Mothers Dying while Giving Birth

If God is Truly Good

God does Not Bless Texas

GOD BLAMES TEXAS!







 

DreamRyderX

Active member
that proves nothing. You just made it up. For all you know those 'mothers' went interstate or had a backyard abortion and it was never reported. You need to stop using fantasy as some sort of replacement for fact
Your hate obviously suits you, but I gave you a respectful answer.....don't like it, respectfully
 

Shellandshilo1956

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So even as a fetus, it remains an embryo? For how long?
If it is a fetus, then it is NOT an embryo, Right? So your question is making a false assumption. Since only God and nature know the exact moment conception takes place, we can only assume that it is within the two weeks after a woman ovulates. Or, within the two weeks period AFTER she has menstruated, right?

All fetuses were embryos, and all embryos were gametes once. It is a linear sequence in the stages of embryonic development. There is NO exact time between an embryo and a fetus. Do you know the exact time when you reached puberty? But generally/on average, the baby is called an embryo up to 8 weeks inclusively after conception(or 10 weeks after her LMP). It is then called a Fetus at the beginning of the 9th week(or the 11th week after here LMP). Basic math says the embryo is an embryo for 8 weeks, and is called a fetus at the beginning of the 9th week. But you should already know all this, right?

No, these law do NOT target women - that would be wrong. They target abortionists!
Are you seriously saying that abortion laws DO NOT TARGET WOMEN??? Then who DO they target? Do men get pregnant? Do men seek abortions? If only women seek abortions, then aren't they abortionists??

You are definitely correct. These new abortion laws DO target all women who want an abortion. They are wrong and discriminatory. I do think that it is unlikely in a male dominated society, that we will start arresting, and imprisoning women. That would create less women to screw! So, lets just arrest everyone else(abortionists) who try to aid her.

In either case, it won't work. Woman have learned many ways to terminate their own pregnancy. So more innocent people will suffer over a lost and worthless cause. Another basic freedom under attacked by religious wackos and the hypocritical and morally righteous. You can't even stop people from smoking pot.
 

DreamRyderX

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hate? there's no hate, just contempt for your callous attitude to women
What about the callous & contempt you & your ilk have for the thousands upon thousands of innocents, that have no choice but to die.........they far outnumber the much, much smaller numbers of women who might be inconvenienced because they can't get an abortion in Texas.


± 1,000 Innocent Lives Already Spared, & Counting ...
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
@johnsmith

Firstly, note I only use an estimate, an estimate denoted by the ± associated with my totals.

That said, in 2019 Texas totaled 55,620 induced terminations. 2019 ITOP Statistics

55,620 yearly abortions divided by 364 days = 152.8 abortions per day on average.

September 1 thru September 12 = 12 days

For simplicity of division & multiplication, I used only 10 days.

10 times 152.8 = 1,528 or,

Number of days (10) the law has been in effect times the number of abortions done per day (152.8) = ± 1,528 abortions were previously done on average over a 10 day period.

10 days = ± 1,528

Therefore, please note I provided a much lower number of ± 1,000.

So, that's how I came up to the number I used in my post:



PS......I hope you aren't offended, but I took it for granted that each infant that would have been slaughtered/butchered by an abortionist would have been considered as an innocent?

Maybe some on the Left regard them as other than innocent, & therefore their strong desire to have these abortion candidates......the ± 1,528 innocents I refer to above, put to death horribly?

In closing, I sincerely hope I've provided you with enough information to come to a valued conclusion....







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@Shellandshilo1956







Then you are worse than the one-dimensional religious fanatics that practice the extreme form of Sharia Law. Even under this form of religious extremism, abortion is permissible under certain circumstances. The only religion that supports your extreme position, is the Catholic Church. They don't give a shit if the mother dies giving birth. They literally follow the words of a man-made, man-compiled, man-contracted, man-written, and man-edited, book of fantasies and stories. Meant only to entertain children and to control the peasants.
 

chris155au

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Are you seriously saying that abortion laws DO NOT TARGET WOMEN???
I should have said: In the most extreme form, anti-abortion laws would NOT imprison women - that would be wrong. They would imprison those who perform an abortion on another person!

In either case, it won't work. Woman have learned many ways to terminate their own pregnancy.
And they should be totally free to do that. Otherwise this would be removing a woman's right to her own body. That would be wrong.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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And they should be totally free to do that. Otherwise this would be removing a woman's right to her own body. That would be wrong.
I should have said: In the most extreme form, anti-abortion laws would NOT imprison women - that would be wrong. They would imprison those who perform an abortion on another person!
You should have no say at all in a woman's choice.

A woman should not only have the right to an abortion, but she should also have the right to a SAFE abortion as well. The government has a moral duty of care to protect ALL of its citizens. The medical professionals have a moral, legal, and ethical duty to "do no harm". Even the Constitutions preaches of "domestic tranquility" and "general welfare" of society. Do you think that these religion-inspired draconian abortion laws address any of these issues. They are there only to placate all the religious nutters out there, who only see everything in black and white.

Telling a woman that she has the right to have an abortion, but that you will arrest and imprison anyone who tries to assist her, is hypocritical, callous, and cruel. In the end, women will have to be imprisoned. Otherwise this law will be toothless. Making criminals out of mothers? Is that the society you want to live in?

When will you understand, NOTHING that you do, and NO law that your God can invent, will stop any women from terminating her own pregnancy. Or, will stop her from getting help from a medical professional. NOTHING!! So, unless you want to start another stupid unwinnable war on saving the lives of the unborn, I'd suggest that you move on.

Maybe we should start mandatory pregnancy testing on all women, just to be sure. Right?

Just as long as you're not saying that fetuses aren't included in this 90%.
But I am saying that some fetuses ARE included in that 90% You do realize that under 12 weeks, would also include 11 weeks, right?
 

chris155au

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You should have no say at all in a woman's choice.
You seem to think that women should be able to choose anything they want!

A woman should not only have the right to an abortion, but she should also have the right to a SAFE abortion as well. The government has a moral duty of care to protect ALL of its citizens. The medical professionals have a moral, legal, and ethical duty to "do no harm".
Which would be relevant if killing the unborn had anything to do with healthcare.

Telling a woman that she has the right to have an abortion, but that you will arrest and imprison anyone who tries to assist her, is hypocritical, callous, and cruel. In the end, women will have to be imprisoned. Otherwise this law will be toothless.
Toothless how?

Making criminals out of mothers? Is that the society you want to live in?
Definitely NOT!

When will you understand, NOTHING that you do, and NO law that your God can invent, will stop any women from terminating her own pregnancy. Or, will stop her from getting help from a medical professional. NOTHING!! So, unless you want to start another stupid unwinnable war on saving the lives of the unborn, I'd suggest that you move on.
You seem to think that if elective abortion was banned, that women who would otherwise abort if it was legal, would in fact abort, either getting an illegally performed abortion, or unsafely performing it on herself.

But I am saying that some fetuses ARE included in that 90% You do realize that under 12 weeks, would also include 11 weeks, right?
It just seemed that you were trying to make out that only embryos are aborted, in an effort to dehumanise the unborn. I'm glad that you're not doing that.
 

chris155au

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If it is a fetus, then it is NOT an embryo, Right? So your question is making a false assumption. Since only God and nature know the exact moment conception takes place, we can only assume that it is within the two weeks after a woman ovulates.
Do you believe in God?

Basic math says the embryo is an embryo for 8 weeks, and is called a fetus at the beginning of the 9th week. But you should already know all this, right?
I'm struggling to see how that is consistent with this:
"The fetus is considered an embryo UNTIL 11 WEEKS AFTER A WOMAN'S LAST MENSTRAL PERIOD(LMP)."
 
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