Here I was trying to be conciliatory and I should have known better.
First Shell, says, "
Anyway, I'm throwing in the towel.'
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And she puled incessantly about being gaslighted whilst doing much the same. It was water of my back.
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then
she sneaks back in, and then after another couple of rounds she says
So, for the last time can't we simply agree to disagree? Good luck! And, I certainly hope that your right!!"
Ok,
fine I think. The old crone has finally shuffled off this topic..... But no, she thought she'd sneak back in and have one last venomous dig.
Never take the word of
an antivaxxer troll.
So what does
the old harridan spit? Let's start at the end.
Clearly, I must be a true insecure masochist. I've highlighted all of the insults in your posts. I really don't know how I could possibly "sneak" back into a public forum! Or, why you would avoid the "reply", so I could be notified whenever you "sneak" your posts onto this thread!!
I threw in the towel after reading through 5 of your posts(#56-#60), full of nothing but demeaning, insulting, belittling, fallacious, and personally denigrating rhetoric. All design to deflate, deflect, avoid, misrepresent, and ridicule the importance of any facts or logic I deposit. So why should I continue to keep feeding your delusional ego and closed mind?? In the end it is still your choice and your business, NOT MINE!
Even after I threw in the towel, instead of posting a "no worries, cheers post", you posted another diatribe of more insults and demeaning rhetoric. Designed to provoke me and feed your fragile ego starving for attention. You even continued to insult and belittle me by your condescension, and preferencing every statements with, "Shell believes..", Shell thinks.., Shell says..", and "Shell is...", etc..
Even when I tried to ignore you, you ridiculed me through another poster(#81). When I posted again, which include that I wanted to agree to disagree, you posted 2 more posts of more of your same method of discourse. That is, to make ad hoc personal insults throughout the entire post. All, just to avoid/misrepresent/distort/ignore/dismiss any points that I raise. Clearly your ego, and insecurity couldn't just let me walk away. So, okay, I'll be your "huckleberry"! I'll give it a go!
At least "Future The Left Want" called me a "fucking idiot", and an "Ignorant cunt", before even engaging with me. So he's at least more honest than you'll ever be. You clearly do not argue to find the truth. You only argue for your ego to go the distance.
Clearly you don't want me to go. Since I have a very long attention span, I now have an overwhelming need to wade through all your insulting editorials and rhetoric, all of your insecure self-serving assumptions, and all the misrepresented bullshit that comes out of your mouth.
Oh, and because this is an open forum! So I can change my mind for any reason I want.
Shell says breaking out into a capitalised shrill:
"If on the rare chance that I was infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and none of the chemists medications helped to reduced my symptoms, I WOULD GLADLY TAKE ANY OF THE ANTI-VIRAL MEDICATIONS ON THE MARKET NOW!! Why wouldn't I?"
Here we go again. Those vacant eyeballs in those sunken sockets look frightening. But watch out when she swings her brolly. She didn't understand the very words that she was quoting and swinging at.
To form she forgot her lines of argumentation throughout her deluded attempt to convince everyone not to take mRNA vaccines. She forgets that when she goes down to the chemist, she'd probably taking formulations, even over the counter ones, that have no full disclosure of their ingredients ( not that she'd understand what was already on the bottle unless she was a chemist or how anything she was taking exactly worked unless she was a doctor or other qualified person), and she would not know of long term effects, blah blah.All red flags for Shell, all of which she threw up to dissuade people from taking not only mRNA vaccines but then it became any vaccine or drugs the more she crapped on. ONE LIE AFTER ANOTHER!
Shell, deary, you're ignoring your "critique" against mRNA vaccines and whatever else your demented brain had in its sites. If you were consistent you'd use the same criteria for Paxlovid and any other medication.
But you only pick and choose what you want to apply them too. In other words your criteria are worthless. Something else is driving you. The criteria you arraigned were just rationalisations. You just choose to apply them as it suits.
Why wouldn't you take an anti-viral, you ask? To be consistent with your argument, you wouldn't .
But the duplicitous, old harpy now tells us in effect she would amble into a chemist and enter a doctor's office with bonnet in hand soliciting whatever she could to relieve her of her ills, after telling everyone they shouldn't.
So what you've been carrying on for pages wasn't worth a pinch of shit to you. And it wasn't worth a pinch to anyone else except your own gaggle of deluded crackpots..
As you can see, once you remove all of the lies, misrepresentations, insults, and dumbass accusations, there's NOT much left. This only gives the APPEARANCE of truth. But it's not! It simply HIDES the truth.
Once you wade through all the pretentious bullshit, fake arrogance, and made-up distractions, you sometimes can forget exactly what actually was said. Even though I said that I would gladly take an anti-viral medication,
if I were to be infected, it was ignored and restated differently. But to answer your question. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I PUT ANY PROTEASE INHIBITOR DRUG(USED FOR HIV) IN MY BODY, WHEN I DON'T EVEN HAVE THE FUCKING DISEASE?? This protease inhibitor can interact with all kinds of medications, used for other serious/chronic) illnesses(heart meds, blood thinners, diabetes, anti-rejection, etc.) you moron! So, is it your stupid logic, that we should all just take every drug available, for every possible disease, just in case we actually get the disease? Good luck with that logic, troll! Go take some high-blood pressure tablets, just in case you develop high blood pressure!
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Of course, this is off the back of spinning another web of bullshit. That all drugs that are tested, trialed, and approved by the FDA, CDC, AMA, and the TGA(in Australia), should always be trusted as good, safe, and effective. We should all blindly trust science, without question! But the truth is, that MANY DRUGS WERE LATER FOUND TO BE INEFFECTIVE AND DSANGEROUS, AND WERE EVENTUALLY RECALLED(links provided).
So, if I or anyone else take vaccines and medications that demonstrably help, that have gone through rigorous procedures and other hurdles and have demonstrable efficacy,
Shell ironically thinks we're leaving the gene pool. Yet if she took her own advice,
the old crone would have shuffled off a long time ago and we'd have been saved from reams of her keyboard diarrhea.
Shell, you don't even know how to correctly apply cliche insults.
Let's look at some other stuff her tortured brain convulses with:
Again, wading through all the insults and bluffs, it's hard to find what to respond to. If you're trying to imply, that I think that if people use this vaccine that they will be leaving the gene pool, then again just more half-truths and lies. The statement was conditional, before you took it out of context.
So let me make this clearer for those who find it hard to comprehend the obvious. If someone is willing to indefinitely stick anything into their body on trust alone, then that is certainly their right to do so. But if someone tries to force/coerce me to do the same, then the red flags come up. So, you do you, and I'll do me. I draw the line on this level of governmental intrusion. But my opinions should have no effect on you. Enjoy your indefinite fixes. If you can't see where this slippery slope, and the possible abuses this could lead to, then you deserve everything you get.
Although I have no idea how to correctly apply cliché insults, I am more than certain that people like you are the true experts. You must be truly proud of this forte, right? Lets move on.
Shell, dear, in that case, you shouldn't take anything. On what basis would you take any drug? Your personal ignorant intuitions? Why would you take Paxlovid? It's come through the same process you've denounced, "genius". What's more dangerous the scientific and regulatory process or your demented intuitions? I suspect worse would come from your vacuous intuitions.
Anyone taking your advice to heart would have a higher probability of exiting the gene pool.
Are you that far gone? Don't answer, it's rhetorical. You are that far gone but nice to see that you're struggling to come to grips with logical fallacies and how to apply them.
More arrogance and egoism, and addressing nothing. Just ignored the paragraph and moved the goal post, by claiming that on some make-believe basis, I should not take any drugs at all(another straw man was created). I'm not sure what these ambiguous comments to trying to imply(other than just how shallow your depth of knowledge really is), but I'll give it a go.
I would take a decongestant for a runny nose, BECAUSE IT WORKS! I would take an aspirin for a fever, BECAUSE IT WORKS! I would take an antihistamine for an allergy, BECAUSE IT WORKS! I would take a rehydrate for diarrhea, BECAUSE IT WORKS! I would take Panadol for pain, BECAUSE IT WORKS! I would take calcium channel blockers for hypertension, BECAUSE IT WORKS! And I would take a cold and flu medication for colds and flus, BECAUSE THEY WORK! And, even if I didn't know exactly why/how these meds work, it doesn't change the fact that THEY STILL FUCKING WORK!!
I made no such claims but you have a penchant of inventing stuff to knock down. You love playing with your straw dolls. In any case, you're being irrelevant again and committing the fallacy of false dilemma. That is, you're proposing the existence of only two possible alternatives when other options exist.
Anyway, your just blowing hot air and nothing more.
Ok, I'm happy to accept that anyone in the professions you listed who refused to be vaxxed and lost their jobs knew what vaccines are. So what?
No one is positing that they are all antivaxxers and vaccine illiterates outside of yourself.But they're all human and some fell for antivaxxer fear mongering.
No, I'm not claiming they are all fully vaccinated. I suspect a vast majority here in Australia are given the high vaccination percentage of the population.
So what are you trying to prove here? Nothing by the looks of it other than making it look like your saying something when you're not. And you prattle on about dishonesty.
God, it's more of the same from Shell. Hot air and more hot air.
It just gets worse and worse. Since you have no personal knowledge or understanding of the immune system, or mRNA vaccine research, or what a virus is or does, you are totally relying on what experts tell you. I'm certainly NOT that restricted! And since every link, article, or video you post, is needed to speak for you, how could you possibly understand any of the nuances of your claims? So why do you think these medical and research professionals also don't feel the need to be vaccinated? I mean, to the point where they are WILLING TO LOSE THEIR OWN JOBS?? Are they all just victims of antivaxxer's rhetoric? Just more huffing, bluffing, and rationalizing! And there's still more,
I said,
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Are they all antivaxxers and vaccine illiterates? Or, are you claiming that EVERY medicos, healthcare worker, virologist/immunologist, science researcher, teacher, and all politicians, ARE ALL FULLY VACCINATED??"
Any moron can see that these simple
questions. But intellectually dishonest cowards like you, changed all my questions into positive statements. And, then responded to them as his own straw man. We pro-chose people simply don't understand why you people are acting this way. Whether people are vaccinated or not, 98% of those infected recover. This is a fact. Prochoice people are saying NOT to shutdown the country, not to put people out of work, or suspend our civil liberties and privacy. Prochoice people are telling people that taking vaccines should always be voluntary, and not be forced /coerced. How the fuck is this fear-mongering? Especially, when you have a government who feeds out infection and death numbers every minute of the day. The number of people who are infected daily is irrelevant. It is the TRUE mortality and survival rates that are important.
No, Goodnow is just stating what will happen if people get multiple infections based on analysis of the data researchers have.
It's not about scaring, it's fact. How anyone reacts to this information is their business.
No, people can protect themselves from infection through mass vaccinations, social distancing, hand sanitisers and masks. I've already directed you to studies right at the beginning of this tete-a-tete we're having.
Would you rather keep people ignorant of all information relevant to Covid?
Ok, another nothing burger from Shell and a waste of time and space.
Lets just ignore the scientific fact, that a virus is inert, and smaller than the visible light spectrum. So masks and distancing are useless. Lets also ignore the verifiable fact, that VACCINATED PEOPLE ARE STILL BEING INFECTED AND DYING EACH DAY. So how any non-doofus person could interpret a 97% vaccinated society as being protected from this virus, is truly a mystery to me. But this is your belief-narrative!
Covid is , according to the above, 20 times more virulent than the flu. We use annual vaccines to reduce the lives lost to flu and we recognise the gravity of those deaths. Yet you dismiss flu and even deadlier covid as insignificant and not worth protecting people against. Tell that to the families of the millions who lost their lives.
Were you amongst the brainless and spineless idiots who sent threatening emails and faxes to GPs carrying on about Nuremberg conventions? Warning them of legal action if they vaccinated people? And who weren't brave enough to provide their email or fax addresses or identify themselves in any way?
Bravo, Shell, for being intrepid in facing fines,. being heckled , shouted out and detained ( By who? Untrue Australians? God, you're an idiot).Yet you pule about a little online gaslighting.
Hey, I'm glad you got fined, heckled and detained. You're foolish and a danger to society. Your stupidity would kill people and swamp the medical system. I'll let others conclude how true an Australian you really are.
Sorry, it is not a little gaslighting. IT IS A LOT! Your posts are dripping with all these false assumptions of what I am, think, and mean. And when I do correct you, you still continue to gaslight me. Is there even ONE intellectually honest bone in your body? Is this your only method of discourse?
I'm also glad to be fined heckled, and detained. It was all worth it in the end. If the government's combined intellectual solution to this pandemic, was to keep 26M people 2 meters apart, keep everyone locked down, end the dreams of small business owners, suspend our civil liberties, fine and arrest anyone who doesn't comply, destroy our economy, shut down our major industries, and to force/coerce people to infect themselves, with a 14 month old lab-created drug(vaccines take 10-12 years), then it was worth it just to see the back of them.
You might have been one of the hecklers we passed along our march in the city. Probably not! People like you are more comfortable when they are in the "dying cockroach" position. People like you are always more passive than active. Unlike you, my self-image, ego, and self-perceptions doesn't depend on the opinions and acceptance of others. My family, friends, and community are more than enough.
I don't have a clue about people faxing GP's. Mine agrees with me. Why would any prochoice person threaten a doctor for vaccinate anyone who chooses to be vaccinated? This sounds like another manufactured bullshit story, to justify a manufactured bullshit belief. What possible legal action could stop a doctor from vaccinating a patient? Are we assuming that the patient is an idiot!
Being virulent doesn't mean being more deadlier. But are you saying that for every 20 people infected with the influenza virus, that 400 people are infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus? What is the evidence that supports this claim? YES, I do believe that the influenza and SARS-CoV-2 virus, with a mortality rate of 0.0012(0.1%) in Australia is too insignificant,
to justify shutting down a country, and suspending individual liberties.
My stupidity has nothing to do with hospitals being swamped, killing anyone, or my compassion for those the families of the sick and dying.
Especially since I am, or never have been infected. But fanatics like you only see those with you, and those against you. Oh, was that a false dilemma, a false dichotomy, or a horned syllogism?? Or was it just accurate?
Science is a self-correcting process.The regulatory authorities correct themselves. You've pointed out some terrible errors and their correction thereof but this was against the vast majority of correct calls. ( Did you just commit your own "cherry picking by omission", Shell?
) No system is perfect but what is in place is better than what you have to offer.
Again, Shell, dear, you shouldn't take anything. On what basis would you take any drug?
Your personal, ignorant intuitions? Why would you take Paxlovid? It's come through the same process you've denounced, "genius". What's more dangerous?
The scientific and regulatory process or your demented intuitions? I suspect worse would come from your intuitions.
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So, Shell, haven't you got your cats to go and play with?)
When did we shift the goal post moron? You were one minute parroting that people should blindly put there faith into these regulatory agencies. Whatever drug they tell you is safe, you should just trust them. Now your backpedaling because you've been proven wrong. Now you're squawking about the bloody obvious about science. Characterizing it as a "..self-correcting process", and that their mistakes are just an acceptable margin for error. And, even that most of the time they do get it right. That's even dumber than saying that cops kill unarmed people. And, most of the time they get it right. Go back into your echo chamber, where people are as dumb as you appear to be! And, based on your grammar, syntax, and number of spelling errors, you are definitely no literary giant either.
I've already explained why I would NOT take a drug, for a disease that I don't have. And, the harm that it can cause by doing so. I'll leave that to all the drug junkies like you!
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