Portland police are the problem, not the solution ... Here’s how many people had protest charges dropped in September

Squire

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Ninety percent of charges were dropped and many of the remaining 10% won't be convicted.

200 charged, 90% of charges dropped leaving 20 court cases of which likely 10% or 2 people will be convicted.

Portland police committed far more crimes than ANTIFA ever did.

The criminality of the Portland police is one of the reasons ANTIFA exists.

In fact, many, many times more unarmed, innocent black people will be killed by police than ANTIFA protesters will be convicted of offenses.

https://www.koin.com/news/protests/heres-how-many-people-had-protest-charges-dropped-in-september/

Here’s how many people had protest charges dropped in September
PROTESTS
Wildfires ended Portland's streak of nightly demonstrations, but police still arrested more than 200 people
by: Hannah Ray Lambert
Posted: Oct 6, 2020 / 08:00 AM PDT / Updated: Oct 6, 2020 / 08:02 AM PDT

Police use chemical irritants and crowd control munitions to disperse protesters during the 100th consecutive day of demonstrations in Portland, Ore.,
on Saturday, Sept. 5, 2020. According to an officer, police responded with stronger tactics after a molotov cocktail was thrown. (AP Photo/Noah Berger)


PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — Police made more than 200 arrests in connection with ongoing civil unrest in Portland during the month of September; however, about nine out of every 10 suspects have already had their charges dropped.
Officers with the Portland Police Bureau, as well as Oregon State Police, made 213 arrests in September, according to a KOIN 6 News database compiled from press releases and direct inquiries. That’s a decrease from August, which had a record 295 arrests.
The nightly protest streak ended in September, as wildfires created hazardous air quality in Portland. Several nights have seen little to no activity from demonstrators and, subsequently, no arrests. The city is arguably the calmest it has been since the first riot on May 29.

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As in August, interfering with a peace officer was the most common charge demonstrators were arrested on, followed by disorderly conduct and riot. All three charges are ones the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office has decided to “presumptively decline to prosecute.” The policy is designed to “focus limited prosecution resources on violent crimes that include property damage, assaultive behavior and actions that create a risk of injury or property destruction during a mass demonstration,” according to the DA’s office.
Record arrests, repeat offenders, dropped charges: August protest stats
Indeed, most suspects have had their charges dropped or dismissed, some as soon as the day after their arrest. As of October 5, charges had been dropped in around 90% of the cases stemming from September’s protest activity.
Note: Seven of the people PPB reported arresting/citing for protest-related crimes do not appear in Oregon’s online court record system. Reasons for the discrepancy could include name misspellings, delays in data entry, or a case not being referred to the DA’s office. Police also detained seven juveniles in September. Those cases are not reflected in the graphic below.
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Some of the charges in the 19 cases that are still open include:
  • Assaulting a public safety officer
  • Attempted assault on a public safety officer
  • Unlawful possession of a destructive device
  • Riot
  • Arson
  • Felon in possession of body armor
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The vast majority of people arrested in connection with protests (63%) have been from Portland, according to police. Only around 13% have been from outside of Oregon, according to available data.
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At least 20 of the people arrested in September have been arrested in connection with previous protests. Tracy Molina, 47, has been arrested six times.
Brandon Paape, 31, and 40-year-old Peter Curtis (preferred name Tabitha Poppins) both have at least five protest-related arrests under their belts.
Simona Arteaga, 39, and Rachel Myles, 34, have both been arrested four times, according to police and court records.
As of October 6, Molina and Arteaga were the only ones with cases left open (one each). It’s unclear if they have attorneys.
  • Rachel Myles has been arrested several times since the 2020 protests began in Portland, according to police records (Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office)Read More »
  • Tracy Molina has been arrested numerous times in connection with Portland protests, according to records (Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office)Read More »
  • Brandon Paape was arrested Aug. 28, 2020 on charges of interfering with a peace officer and disorderly conduct II. He has been arrested multiple times since the protests began (Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office)Read More »
  • Peter Curtis was arrested Aug. 18, 2020 on charges of Attempt criminal mischief I, and reckless endangering. Curtis has been arrested several times since protests began (Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office)Read More »
  • Simona Arteaga, 39, has been arrested four times in connection with protests in 2020, according to police records (Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office)Read More »
  • Rachel Myles has been arrested several times since the 2020 protests began in Portland, according to police records (Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office)Read More »
  • racy Molina has been arrested numerous times in connection with Portland protests, according to records (Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office)Read More »

Tracy Molina has been arrested numerous times in connection with Portland protests, according to records (Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office)Read More »
Warrant for man accused of throwing Molotov
At least one person arrested at a September protest now has a warrant out for his arrest. Joseph Robert Sipe allegedly admitted to lighting a Molotov cocktail and throwing it behind a line of police officers on Sept. 23, according to court documents.

Joseph Sipe, 23, is accused of throwing a Molotov cocktail at police officers during a September 2020 protest (Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office)

Officers originally arrested Sipe on charges that included attempted murder, attempted first-degree assault, and arson. However, the more serious charges were dropped and he now only faces one count of riot and one count of possession of a destructive device.

The 23-year-old is identified in court papers as a homeless former Marine who has schizophrenia and an arrest warrant in Georgia for aggravated assault. Sipe has been unemployed for “a couple years” and food stamps are his only source of income, according to court documents.

Despite that, he managed to post $1,000 bail on Sept. 29. He was supposed to appear in court again Friday, Oct. 2, but didn’t show, according to the DA’s office. A warrant has now been issued for his arrest. KOIN 6 News reached out to his public defender for comment, but has not heard back as of Tuesday morning.
 
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SethBullock

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The Portland Police are definitely not the problem.

The anti-police, anti-law and order, politically compromised mayor and district attorney are the problem.

The Portland Police endured months and months of daily insurrection and suffered many injuries and trips to the hospital. They had guts and courage even though unsupported by city leaders. Do you know how many unarmed women they shot? Do you know how many people they shot while being pelted with all kinds of projectiles and even a molotov cocktail, for month upon month, upon month?

Zero.

Your little disgusting Antifa fascists are the problem, and the feckless mayor and DA.
 

Squire

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The Portland Police are definitely not the problem.

The anti-police, anti-law and order, politically compromised mayor and district attorney are the problem.

The Portland Police endured months and months of daily insurrection and suffered many injuries and trips to the hospital. They had guts and courage even though unsupported by city leaders. Do you know how many unarmed women they shot? Do you know how many people they shot while being pelted with all kinds of projectiles and even a molotov cocktail, for month upon month, upon month?

Zero.

Your little disgusting Antifa fascists are the problem, and the feckless mayor and DA.
Your Portland police goon buddies were bashing people and arresting people without cause.

Many more protestors were injured by police goons than police injured by protestors.

Portland police goons were injured by innocent protestors who were defending themselves against police goon violence.
 

SethBullock

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Your Portland police goon buddies were bashing people and arresting people without cause.

Many more protestors were injured by police goons than police injured by protestors.

Portland police goons were injured by innocent protestors who were defending themselves against police goon violence.
I'm getting used to your sense of humor, Squire.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Think about it. What mentally normal unarmed person or group, would simply attack police officers armed to the teeth? No one! But to protect/defend themselves from armed overzealous cowards in uniforms, anyone would. Even Rodney king was initially charged with resisting arrest, until footage proved just how ridiculous that was!!

Do you really think that "guts and courage" have anything to do with bravery? I've been in at least 4 riots, and marches/demonstrations that turned ugly. Although scared shitless, running away was never an option. If I did, I would have "died a thousand deaths", if I returned to work.

What happens in the movies, is not always what happens in real life. All the hype and theatre created by the media, can't change reality. That is, that out of the 200 rioters charged, only 2 people were convicted of a crime. This means that 99% of all the people arrested did absolutely NOTHING WRONG in the eyes of the law. No matter how much this fact doesn't fit, or validate your self-serving and biased narrative!! And just blaming the the politics, or the legal system, is just changing the goal posts to fit the belief.

Also, Whites commit many times more crimes, than all other races combined. Go back 40 years and then start doing the math til the present.

 

Squire

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In most cases American police arrest people without justification.

It is ridiculous that American police can arrest and prosecute a detainee for resisting arrest when there is no other charge or warrant and no evident cause for that person to be arrested.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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In most cases American police arrest people without justification.

It is ridiculous that American police can arrest and prosecute a detainee for resisting arrest when there is no other charge or warrant and no evident cause for that person to be arrested.
What else could you possible expect from a people, in a country where the number one book being read is the TV guide.
 

Squire

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Wrong. If the police are not allowed to defend themselves, it just emboldens the terrorists.
Any blue-uniformed psychopath armed with gun, baton, taser, and tear gas is going to use them.

Police brutality against peaceful demonstrators is more likely than against violent armed demonstrators because peaceful demonstrators don't fight back and mostly don't run away and the police can pummel them to their heart's content.

The January 6 insurrection exemplified that police brutality is unlikely against a violent mob.
 
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SethBullock

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Any blue-uniformed psychopath armed with gun, baton, taser, and tear gas is going to use them.
False.

Police brutality against peaceful demonstrators is more likely than against violent armed demonstrators because peaceful demonstrators don't fight back and mostly don't run away and the police can pummel them to their heart's content.
False.

The January 6 insurrection exemplified that police brutality is unlikely against a violent mob.
Police "brutality" is not justified - ever.

Strike three. You're out.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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The TV Guide???

I haven’t seen a TV Guide in at least 20 years.
You may be correct. 30M Americans read the Bible EVERYDAY. 28M Americans read the TV guide EVERYDAY. Both are the most daily-read books in America. One was created and written by Middle Eastern foreigners, and the other was created and written by big business. Both are fictitious fantasies, created and written by man to entertain and scare children.

Whether you have seen or read a TV guide is totally irrelevant. 28M other Americans have(on line or in print).

Wrong. If the police are not allowed to defend themselves, it just emboldens the terrorists.
But no one has said that police are NOT allowed to defend themselves? People are saying that there is no reason that they should NEED to defend themselves. And, if they did, it was because of some unnecessary action that they initiated. My point was, that it is highly unlikely that any rational-thinking person would simply attack a squad of fully armed police officers. NOT that cops should not defend themselves. Are you saying that this is a false rationale? Are cops now defending themselves against groups of families with women and children(BLM and Antifa)?

Think about it Seth! If thousands of demonstrators only wanted to attack a hundred "defenseless" cops, then there would be nothing those cops could do about it. If citizens wanted to attack cops, then it would be raining lead on the cops. And, they wouldn't be coming back anytime soon. Remember the SLA, the Zebra killings, the NFAC, the BPM, etc. Not too many cops around here!

https://www.google.com/search?q=bla...k4jgGHXmeBF8Q9QF6BAgzEAE#imgrc=tiN-UZMQVzYNVM

As squire said, cops are very good at over-reacting, and screaming "self-defense", whenever the crowd is basically unarmed and behaving peaceably. Why don't the cops target and remove only those people who are clearly trying to disrupt the march(the disruptors)? Maybe this would explain the difference in treatments. Whenever White racist, bigoted, extremists, and hate-filled criminals, march down the city's main streets fully armed, the police will protect them from anyone who tries to disrupt their right to divide this country. The cops will quickly arrest or attack anyone who tries to disrupt the message from this social cancer.

Maybe the BLM, Antifa, and any other other civil rights activist groups, should also be legally armed? I'm sure that if 10 marchers are telling 4 cops to stop beating the shit out of an unarmed protester, that they would be ignored. But if those cops had ten 38's pointed at their heads, I guarantee that they would stop and take notice. Although, I think that any marching permit would exclude the carrying of any firearms. But maybe the "good old boys" in Oregon are the exception to this rule.

I was in the "White Night Riots in '79. There was initially only 4 squads of us, against 75K-100K angry Gays. Even though we were hit with everything they could break and throw, they could have wiped us all out if they really wanted to. Even the injured brothers we picked up later, still had their guns. It was clearly NOT the aim of the crowd to attack the cops. But to peacefully demonstrate. It is only the aim of the media to do whatever it took, to get the most sensationalized story that it can.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the...g&ei=pAQzYajvPJK4rtoPtIWg8A0&bih=937&biw=1920

As a rule of thumb, never believe anything that you read, see, or hear from Main-Stream-Media. They will never ever tell you the WHOLE truth. And, that there will always be some underlying biased political, social, or religious narrative attached. Also, it has always amazed me, just how all these pipe bombs, guns, explosive devices, and weapons, are always discovered AFTER the fact.
 

SethBullock

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Staff member
You may be correct. 30M Americans read the Bible EVERYDAY. 28M Americans read the TV guide EVERYDAY. Both are the most daily-read books in America. One was created and written by Middle Eastern foreigners, and the other was created and written by big business. Both are fictitious fantasies, created and written by man to entertain and scare children.

Whether you have seen or read a TV guide is totally irrelevant. 28M other Americans have(on line or in print).



But no one has said that police are NOT allowed to defend themselves? People are saying that there is no reason that they should NEED to defend themselves. And, if they did, it was My point was, that it is highly unlikely that any rational-thinking person would simply attack a squad of fully armed police officers. NOT that cops should not defend themselves. Are you saying that this is a false rationale? Are cops now defending themselves against groups of families with women and children(BLM and Antifa)?

Think about it Seth! If thousands of demonstrators only wanted to attack a hundred "defenseless" cops, then there would be nothing those cops could do about it. If citizens wanted to attack cops, then it would be raining lead on the cops. And, they wouldn't be coming back anytime soon. Remember the SLA, the Zebra killings, the NFAC, the BPM, etc. Not too many cops around here!

https://www.google.com/search?q=black+militant+groups&biw=1920&bih=937&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=tiN-UZMQVzYNVM%2CFC8UWBR0oky3TM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQPhGhl310dENsNA3hXhQ7q_2Wqyg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ6tWy0eTyAhWk4jgGHXmeBF8Q9QF6BAgzEAE#imgrc=tiN-UZMQVzYNVM

As squire said, cops are very good at over-reacting, and screaming "self-defense", whenever the crowd is basically unarmed and behaving peaceably. Why don't the cops target and remove only those people who are clearly trying to disrupt the march(the disruptors)? Maybe this would explain the difference in treatments. Whenever White racist, bigoted, extremists, and hate-filled criminals, march down the city's main streets fully armed, the police will protect them from anyone who tries to disrupt their right to divide this country. The cops will quickly arrest or attack anyone who tries to disrupt the message from this social cancer.

Maybe the BLM, Antifa, and any other other civil rights activist groups, should also be legally armed? I'm sure that if 10 marchers are telling 4 cops to stop beating the shit out of an unarmed protester, that they would be ignored. But if those cops had ten 38's pointed at their heads, I guarantee that they would stop and take notice. Although, I think that any marching permit would exclude the carrying of any firearms. But maybe the "good old boys" in Oregon are the exception to this rule.

I was in the "White Night Riots in '79. There was initially only 4 squads of us, against 75K-100K angry Gays. Even though we were hit with everything they could break and throw, they could have wiped us all out if they really wanted to. Even the injured brothers we picked up later, still had their guns. It was clearly NOT the aim of the crowd to attack the cops. But to peacefully demonstrate. It is only the aim of the media to do whatever it took, to get the most sensationalized story that it can.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the...g&ei=pAQzYajvPJK4rtoPtIWg8A0&bih=937&biw=1920

As a rule of thumb, never believe anything that you read, see, or hear from Main-Stream-Media. They will never ever tell you the WHOLE truth. And, that there will always be some underlying biased political, social, or religious narrative attached. Also, it has always amazed me, just how all these pipe bombs, guns, explosive devices, and weapons, are always discovered AFTER the fact.
You don’t understand Antifa tactics, Shell.

Their tactics for violence against police are well thought out.

To begin with, they choose a venue where the police are controlled by sympathetic liberal mayors and city officials.

And then the tactic is to deliberately NOT attack with knives and guns. They attack with fireworks, frozen bottles of water, urine and poop, rocks and chunks of concrete. They almost never attack from the front of a crowd, but instead, from the middle or rear of the crowd. They know that the police will be prevented from using force to get through the front of the crowd to get to someone in the middle or rear of the crowd. The police are prevented by the mayor who would rather have scores of injured police officers than the use of any force to make an arrest.

And another thing ...

As for the police causing violence “because of some unnecessary action that they initiated”, you clearly have no idea what’s going on here. You’re off in some sort of dream world that has nothing to do with the real world.

Portland used to have mutual aid agreements with neighboring police agencies. Those neighboring agencies have terminated all of those agreements because they don’t want their officers to just stand there being injured and hospitalized because of the weakness and fecklessness of Portland’s stupid progressive liberals.
 

Squire

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Something is not wrong in the State of Denmark. The problem is in the USA.

Here are the facts:
  1. There have been 109 recorded killings by the Police in Great Britain since records began, which means mostly over the last 150 years. About 0.7 per year;
  2. Since Trump came to power numbers are harder to come by, but conservatively roughly 950-1000 Americans are killed every year by Police. US rate per capita population ~1,400 x UK rate;
  3. A UK Police Officer is more likely to die in the line of duty than kill someone;
  4. A US Law Enforcement Officer is more likely to kills someone than die themselves by 6 to 1; and
  5. US police kill more innocent, unarmed blacks every year by 10 x more than UK police kill anybody.
https://jon-chadwick.com/2020/06/01/deaths-by-police-officers-us-vs-uk/

Deaths by Police Officers US vs UK

Killings by Police Officers in Great Britain

There have been 109 recorded killings by the Police in Great Britain since records began, which means mostly over the last 150 years. This doesn’t include events such as the death of Liddle Towers were police culpability was never established, and doesn’t include deaths by security services in the Northern Ireland conflict. If we add those all in we get to just under 500.

Killings by Law Enforcement Officers in the US

The Counted Project records all deaths by Law Enforcement Officers in the US. The most recent years they have data show over 1000 deaths per year. Since Trump came to power numbers are harder to come by, but conservatively rougly 950-1000 Americans are killed every year by Police.

The US has 28.5 deaths per 10m population, the UK 0.5.

Killings of Police Officers in the UK

239 Police Officers in Great Britain have been killed in the line of duty, not counting accidents. Over 300 Police Officers died during the Northern Ireland conflict.

A UK Police Officer is more likely to die in the line of duty than kill someone,

Killings of Police Officers in the US

US Law Enforcement Officers killed in the line of duty every year averaged 160 per year over the last 10 years, This is down from a peak of 250 a year in the mid-70s. The numbers of Law Enforcement Officers killed have fallen, as have overall crime.

A US Law Enforcement Officer is more likely to kills someone than die themselves by 6 to 1.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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As for the police causing violence “because of some unnecessary action that they initiated”, you clearly have no idea what’s going on here. You’re off in some sort of dream world that has nothing to do with the real world.
You are going to have to be more specific, than just sounding incredulous. I have been in a number of situations where I've said, "Why the fuck did he/they do/say that. Now we are really in the shit.". And, the last thing that I want to do, is to dream about the shit that I've gone through. I'm sure there are a few domestics, that you might not want to talk about. Or, maybe could have been handled better.

If you believe that cops can't be their own worst enemy, or can put the lives of other cops in jeopardy, than it is you who is living in a dream world.

Their tactics for violence against police are well thought out.

To begin with, they choose a venue where the police are controlled by sympathetic liberal mayors and city officials.
Seriously?? We are talking about ordinary mothers, fathers, students, and even children. We are NOT talking about some "sleeper cell", that has been plotting some strategy for the last 10 years. Try using evidence to support these claims. Just saying them over and over again, still don't make them true.

Did this liberal mayor and the council officials illegally obtain office? Were they all NOT voted in by a majority vote? If you don't like them, then just vote them out.

What venues does Antifa pick? Portland is one of the homes for 11 extremist White bigoted racist supremist groups. These Nazi fascist groups are exactly who Antifa targets. Many members even live in Portland, and are incensed that these people live among them. They don't believe in their divisive rhetoric, and want to do something about it. Not just do nothing and hope that these fascists get bored and stop. So they take photos, and expose the criminals for who they really are. Even to their bosses.

But they also come prepared to defend themselves from these insecure animals(the Real American Terrorists). Maybe you would prefer that they get the same treatment as Blacks did during the civil rights marches? So, what are some of these other venues selected by Antifa, where there was no racial injustice or fascist rhetoric?

And then the tactic is to deliberately NOT attack with knives and guns. They attack with fireworks, frozen bottles of water, urine and poop, rocks and chunks of concrete. They almost never attack from the front of a crowd, but instead, from the middle or rear of the crowd. They know that the police will be prevented from using force to get through the front of the crowd to get to someone in the middle or rear of the crowd. The police are prevented by the mayor who would rather have scores of injured police officers than the use of any force to make an arrest.
This is just your narrative. So, they don't use guns or knives? You think that the gun-toten, bowie-knife wielding good old boy, would do the same? So, evidence please!! Don't you have cops already in the crowds arresting people committing these acts? Didn't you have ambulances supporting the police line to render aid to any fallen officer? I really can't comment until I see the evidence.

Portland used to have mutual aid agreements with neighboring police agencies. Those neighboring agencies have terminated all of those agreements because they don’t want their officers to just stand there being injured and hospitalized because of the weakness and fecklessness of Portland’s stupid progressive liberals.
Again, all this does is beg the question. "Then why are you there?". If you can't engage the crowd to protect yourselves, then you are all idiots(with all due respect). With the exception of the White Night Riots, we formed an armada when trying to move any large crowd and restore order.

When I was in the CSTF/SCU we had a 4-6 line of us in the front. 3-5 lines of duty cops in riot gear behind us. 2-4 lines of volunteers and detailed officers, also in full riot gear. Behind them were 4-5 wagons. Behind them were a number of ambulances and medical/emergency vehicles and their personnel. And, behind them were a number of fire engines. Sergeants and lieutenants were placed along the sides. We would always move slow enough to allow anyone to get out of the way.

I remember my first experience. When I looked behind me, all I could say was, WOW!! This is impressive. I remember a tall Black woman who actually walked up to our lines, screamed abuses almost nose to nose. She then threw her milkshake at a very close friend of mine, which covered her face-shield and clothing. If looks could kill, but she didn't move from formation. The woman then screamed more abuses at us, and said she was going to call her lawyer, and went into the phone booth near the corner.

Once the rioting and damages began, we were told to move out. As we moved out, if anyone threw anything from above, the formation would stop, to allow some of us to smash in doors, remove the threat, and to put bodies on the pavement to be cycled to the rear. As we approached the end of the block, no one was throwing anything at us from above. As we reached the end of the block, the Black woman was still in the phone booth. We adjusted our formation to allowed my friend to move up closer to the middle of the line. We then destroyed the phone booth with the Black woman in it. She was again served as she was cycled to the rear. We then moved on. Once people saw this slow-moving juggernaut coming at them, order was restored. And no one was hurt(no officers).

Arrest were made from those who refused to move on, or tried to stand their ground. They all quickly found their way to the back of the armada. They were treated and cited, and put in the wagon until we were finished. Efficient and effective.
 
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