NSW is reporting the number of people who died "WITH" COVID. Is this a mistake?

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Shellandshilo1956

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From today for example: "Sadly, NSW Health is today reporting the deaths of 20 people WITH COVID-19; 11 men and nine women." www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/20220115_00.aspx

Do they really mean FROM COVID?
Let's include the rest of the story.

"Sadly, NSW Health is today reporting the deaths of 20 people with COVID-19; 11 men and nine women.
One person was aged in their 20s, three people were aged in their 50s, one person was aged in their 60s, four people were in their 70s, nine people were in their 80s and two people were in their 90s.
Of the 20 people who died; 16 people were vaccinated against COVID-19 and four people were not vaccinated
.".

Soon, there will ONLY be vaccinated people dying with this virus.
 

stunspore

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You mean just like people who die in car accidents/crashes are those with seatbelts rather than those that don't wear them (because there's just too few of them)?

It's hard to sometimes assign a death from covid - what's known is that they did die with it though. And covid certainly can be the cause of death, or the final straw that breaks the camel's back after all contributing medical conditions. Covid making existing medical conditions worst is a direct enough cause for me.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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You mean just like people who die in car accidents/crashes are those with seatbelts rather than those that don't wear them (because there's just too few of them)?
I have no idea what this even means. What exactly are you saying?

It's hard to sometimes assign a death from covid - what's known is that they did die with it though. And covid certainly can be the cause of death, or the final straw that breaks the camel's back after all contributing medical conditions. Covid making existing medical conditions worst is a direct enough cause for me.
I have already said, NO ONE DIES DIRECTLY FROM THE SARS-CoV-2 VIRUS! If your immune system is fucked, then you are fucked. Vaccinated or not. This is not rocket science. If I am ever infected, I have a 99% chance of recovering. And a 100% chance of recovering if I don't have other medical issues.

You are just rationalizing a nonsense belief. People have had their underlying comorbidities long before they were infected. Remember it is the immune system that is the direct cause of deaths. Because of its over-response, organs can shut down. Hence why steroids and immunosuppressants are used as treatment. But once the cascade starts, its over.

But if you want to believe that the virus is the spark that snuffs out a life, and ignore all the other real reasons, then go for it. It is wrong, but who cares. It is just a belief!
 

stunspore

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Sorry that i offend your pseudoscience. I'm operating on real science. I mean mainstream science that's well supported with research and data, not some hypothesised overactive imagination.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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Sorry that i offend your pseudoscience. I'm operating on real science. I mean mainstream science that's well supported with research and data, not some hypothesised overactive imagination.
More huff and bluff gibberish! What "pseudo science" am I presenting? What is the "real science" that you are operating on? What is this well-supported science that you are talking about? And, what is the hypothetical that you are claiming as my overactive imagination? Or, is this just more empty mouth, compensating for a shallow depth of understanding? It is your depth of knowledge that is offensive. And, your truth claims that are embarrassing.

If you are going to just accuse me of something, hidden within these tired and boring clichés and platitudes, then at least back them up with some relevant facts. Otherwise, it is best that you ignore me, and only preach to the choir! As long as you agree with them, the truth will become relative. It is always easy to snark and troll people, UNTIL THEY ASK YOU TO PROVE IT!
 

stunspore

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Maybe ask the doctors and nurses who see it?
And waiting first for you to get a science degree first?
With a wealth of mainstream science articles and data, it shouldn't be hard to find it if you tried. Might be harder to find qnon support though.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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Maybe ask the doctors and nurses who see it? And waiting first for you to get a science degree first? With a wealth of mainstream science articles and data, it shouldn't be hard to find it if you tried. Might be harder to find qnon support though.
In other words, you don't know what you are talking about? Or can explain just how the SARS-CoV-2 virus can directly kill people? Surely this is important to you? And, yes I can find the science over the net. And, in any basic High School biology book. But you're not interested in the truth, are you? You're only interested in protecting all the lies, opinions, predictions, soundbites, and half-truths that you're being told! No one wants to admit that they're just being duped and manipulated by the media!


I HAVE spoken to doctors, nurses(daughter-in-law), and researchers! And, they also agree with me. This is why you never explain exactly how my points are in disagreement with the science. Like the rest of your mob, you just keep asserting that it does!

These people have got to go to save Australia. We will see this in the next election. Too many lives have been destroyed by these people!
 

stunspore

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I think i prefer to listen to someone with a science degree, not high school science with a twist of pseudoscience and imagination.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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It's enough for me too, but that would be
dying FROM COVID, not WITH COVID, wouldn't it?

Then show me one doctor, virologists, epidemiologists, or some expert in the field, who believes that people die, DIRECTLY FROM ANY VIRUS!! I suppose a Covid-19 victim, decapitated in a car accident on the way to hospital, would have died FROM Covid-19. According to your twisted logic. But these are the same people included in the Covid-19 death stats. Especially in the US.

This only speaks volumes about your bias, NOT ABOUT THE TRUTH! Since your uninformed opinions are based solely on force-fitting logic to fit your baseless belief, you and your strawman should be very happy together.

Oh! And, if you are dying FROM COVID, you would also be dying WITH COVID, wouldn't you?? Also, if Covid-19 is the primary cause of death, then all other comorbidities become irrelevant, right? Insane!
 

chris155au

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Then show me one doctor, virologists, epidemiologists, or some expert in the field, who believes that people die, DIRECTLY FROM ANY VIRUS!!
I'm sure that there's always some sort of comorbidity, many of which are well known such as obesity which is particularly incompatible with COVID. The interesting thing about COVID, and perhaps this happens with other viral infections too, is that we have seen some seemingly perfectly fit and healthy people under 30 die from COVID, who were reported as having no pre-existing conditions. Of course, we know that there has to be SOMETHING about their anatomy which has caused them to succumb to the virus, unlike the vast, vast majority of people in that age bracket who are extremely unlikely to even get seriously ill or hospitalised, let alone DIE from this thing. The interesting thing being that whatever it is about their anatomy, is a total mystery, and not known by current medical science. For these people, it seems that they were only perfectly fit and healthy on the face of it.

I suppose a Covid-19 victim, decapitated in a car accident on the way to hospital, would have died FROM Covid-19. According to your twisted logic.
WTF? What did I say to indicate that I would believe that utter nonsense?

Oh! And, if you are dying FROM COVID, you would also be dying WITH COVID, wouldn't you??
Yep. The point is that there will be some people who died merely WITH COVID. And these people should obviously not be listed as COVID deaths. We obviously agree on that.

Also, if Covid-19 is the primary cause of death, then all other comorbidities become irrelevant, right? Insane!
Not at all.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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I'm sure that there's always some sort of comorbidity, many of which are well known such as obesity which is particularly incompatible with COVID. The interesting thing about COVID, and perhaps this happens with other viral infections too, is that we have seen some seemingly perfectly fit and healthy people under 30 die from COVID, who were reported as having no pre-existing conditions. Of course, we know that there has to be SOMETHING about their anatomy which has caused them to succumb to the virus, unlike the vast, vast majority of people in that age bracket who are extremely unlikely to even get seriously ill or hospitalised, let alone DIE from this thing. The interesting thing being that whatever it is about their anatomy, is a total mystery, and not known by current medical science. For these people, it seems that they were only perfectly fit and healthy on the face of it.
This is actually a true and honest observation. ALL deaths from viral infections are caused by our immune response. And, if that response is aggravated BY(not aggravates) other comorbidities, then you are unlikely to survive. Especially with 4-5 other comorbidities. For patients with idiopathic, or unknown comorbidities, they are the rare exceptions to the rule. NOT THE RULE! Just because you don't know the cause of something, doesn't mean that something doesn't have a cause(argument from ignorance). Some causes are found later after an autopsy. These causes may include, an underactive or overactive immune response. Or, an opportunistic pathogen. Or, an unknown, or unrelated health issue. So, if a healthy 20yo premier athlete suddenly dies from this virus, then that should be treated as a suspicious death.

My point was not to say, that eventually everyone dies because their heart stops. My first point was that viruses were NOT designed by evolution to kill their hosts. Because it is an evolutionary advantage/benefit(natural selection) to keep the host alive, in order to replicate and spread itself to other hosts.

The second point, was that it is only the condition of the immune system, that determines the likelihood of dying or not. It doesn't matter whether you are vaccinated or not. Or, how many vaccinations you've received. Even most 90yo manage to survive this virus(want the stats?). Think about it! If you believe that being vaccinated will reduce your chances of dying from COVID. Or, that being unvaccinated will increase your chances. Then which is it, that is actually responsible for determining if you will live or die from COVID?? Our immune system, the virus, the vaccines, or comorbidities??

WTF? What did I say to indicate that I would believe that utter nonsense?
It was hyperbole! Your ego will survive! It was based on your remarks, implying that you only see people dying FROM COVID, and not dying WITH COVID.

It's enough for me too, but that would be
dying FROM COVID, not WITH COVID, wouldn't it?
Yep. The point is that there will be some people who died merely WITH COVID. And these people should obviously not be listed as COVID deaths. We obviously agree on that.
We do. Unfortunately that is NOT what is happening. The government's agenda is to sell its narrative to the gullible and the ignorant. If it told the truth, 99% of all COVID-related deaths would be listed by their terminal comorbidities, with COVID listed only as INCIDENTAL! How could they justify destroying the country, just because people are dying from their chronic illnesses?

Not at all.
If you believe that COVID is the primary or direct cause of death(as you stated), Then what role do the comorbidities play in the death? Did the victim die from their comorbidities, or from the COVID VIRUS? What do you mean, "Not at all."?
 

mothra

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This is actually a true and honest observation. ALL deaths from viral infections are caused by our immune response. And, if that response is aggravated BY(not aggravates) other comorbidities, then you are unlikely to survive. Especially with 4-5 other comorbidities. For patients with idiopathic, or unknown comorbidities, they are the rare exceptions to the rule. NOT THE RULE! Just because you don't know the cause of something, doesn't mean that something doesn't have a cause(argument from ignorance). Some causes are found later after an autopsy. These causes may include, an underactive or overactive immune response. Or, an opportunistic pathogen. Or, an unknown, or unrelated health issue. So, if a healthy 20yo premier athlete suddenly dies from this virus, then that should be treated as a suspicious death.

My point was not to say, that eventually everyone dies because their heart stops. My first point was that viruses were NOT designed by evolution to kill their hosts. Because it is an evolutionary advantage/benefit(natural selection) to keep the host alive, in order to replicate and spread itself to other hosts.

The second point, was that it is only the condition of the immune system, that determines the likelihood of dying or not. It doesn't matter whether you are vaccinated or not. Or, how many vaccinations you've received. Even most 90yo manage to survive this virus(want the stats?). Think about it! If you believe that being vaccinated will reduce your chances of dying from COVID. Or, that being unvaccinated will increase your chances. Then which is it, that is actually responsible for determining if you will live or die from COVID?? Our immune system, the virus, the vaccines, or comorbidities??



It was hyperbole! Your ego will survive! It was based on your remarks, implying that you only see people dying FROM COVID, and not dying WITH COVID.





We do. Unfortunately that is NOT what is happening. The government's agenda is to sell its narrative to the gullible and the ignorant. If it told the truth, 99% of all COVID-related deaths would be listed by their terminal comorbidities, with COVID listed only as INCIDENTAL! How could they justify destroying the country, just because people are dying from their chronic illnesses?



If you believe that COVID is the primary or direct cause of death(as you stated), Then what role do the comorbidities play in the death? Did the victim die from their comorbidities, or from the COVID VIRUS? What do you mean, "Not at all."?

Of all the knuckleheaded garbage.

Indeed, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Of all the knuckleheaded garbage.

Indeed, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Still saying absolutely nothing. But implying absolutely everything. I back-up the knowledge I contribute. What exactly do you do? Other than trolling and snarking?

No, it is a closed mind that is a dangerous thing.
 
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