Morrison defends mostly peaceful protesters - the left loose their minds!

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Depends how old/healthy you are.

When settlers gave Indians blankets that had smallpox on them did the Indians survive or die off like flies?

Give your immune system the help of a vaccination.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Depends how old/healthy you are.
Duh! You think! To be more specific, it depends on other factors, INCLUDING, how old and how healthy you are.

When settlers gave Indians blankets that had smallpox on them did the Indians survive or die off like flies?
Who tells you this nonsense? Evolution gives everyone the means to fight ALL pathogen in the entire universe. Including smallpox. This is why not every hippo in the watering hole dies from Anthrax. This defense against pathogens exist at a molecular level. Not at a nomenclature/macro level. Smallpox is less than 1% lethal, even for the unvaccinated. Do you really think that Smallpox didn't exist until the settlers arrived? It was in the native population since the 1500's. The Cherokee even had a Smallpox dance.

https://www.varsitytutors.com/earlyamerica/early-america-review/volume-11/native-americans-smallpox

Give your immune system the help of a vaccination.
Wow, this is probably the most irresponsible, and scientifically illiterate statement, I have ever heard. I seriously doubt that flooding the immune with genetically induced antibodies, to fight genetically induced antigens, is in any way helping our natural immune system.

But go for it. I can only lead a horse to water,... . This is why I rely on science for my objective information. NOT the CONSENSUS OF BELIEF OF THE DAY!!
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Exactly. I'm glad to see that you're not a total moron




and then again, maybe you are
Well, at least you are consistently idiotic and obtuse. Mr. Deepity

 

Shellandshilo1956

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Of course there would. BHP and Qantas proves it!
Bullshit, and you know it! It was the government that initially enacted vaccine mandates for all international aviation and age-care industries. Other industries later followed suit. READ the information I gave you about BHP!!

How did the decision by BHP have ANYTHING to do
with government, vaccine mandates or otherwise?
More bullshit and more misrepresenting my words again. I said, that

"The decision by BHP had little to do with Covid-19 mandates. But had everything to do with the government trying to circumvent normal enterprise bargaining practices, to impose their mandates.

And you respond with,

"How did the decision by BHP have ANYTHING to do with government, vaccine mandates or otherwise?".

Totally ignoring that I had just stated the opposite(it had little or nothing to do with it). Is this your normal method of discourse? Just keep responding with one straw man after another? Just keep asking questions until only God can answer them? And, then claim victory? And, all the while, keep avoiding questions relating to your own position? Including, providing zero information, stats and logic to support your own position?

If this is your method of discourse, then you are just another troll like John, with nothing objective to contribute. No depth of knowledge, and certainly no continuity of logic. It just becomes a game of just going the distance. Like children in the playground.

Why not? You said that it was public information!
Why would anyone with more than 2 working brain cells, not understand why any business would NOT want the public knowing that they is NOT enforcing the the government's vaccine mandates? I mean, DUHHH!!, And, when did I say that what was public information?

Could it be that it might draw attention to their business malfeasance? Which could incur fines and/or imprisonment?? Just a wild guess! Why do you think?

If you are just going to dismiss my points, and ignore my questions, then go troll elsewhere. I'm just getting bored, and not learning anything from you. I am just arguing with my own words! You are not interested in the meaning of of my words. You are only interested in any flaws you can exploit, or misrepresent!!
 
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chris155au

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Bullshit, and you know it! It was the government that initially enacted vaccine mandates for all international aviation and age-care industries. Other industries later followed suit.
So the Federal government issued these vaccine mandates? Are you sure? And here you are praising Morrison for being against vaccine mandates!

READ the information I gave you about BHP!!
I did. They tried a vaccine mandate. And the government stopped them! Simple!

The decision by BHP had little to do with Covid-19 mandates.
That's weird, because it was literally a vaccine mandate that they attempted to implement!

Why would anyone with more than 2 working brain cells, not understand why any business would NOT want the public knowing that they is NOT enforcing the the government's vaccine mandates? I mean, DUHHH!!,
I did not ask why businesses would not want it to be public, I asked why you wouldn't give me examples of such businesses if it was public that they are ignoring COVID laws. You've now made it clear that it's not public at all.

And, when did I say that what was public information?
I asked:
So they're not public, but you DO know of some businesses which are ignoring government vaccine mandates?
And you replied:
Yes they are, and yes I do.
So I thought that you were saying "yes they are [public.]"
 

Shellandshilo1956

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I did. They tried a vaccine mandate. And the government stopped them! Simple!
That's weird, because it was literally a vaccine mandate that they attempted to implement!
So the Federal government issued these vaccine mandates? Are you sure? And here you are praising Morrison for being against vaccine mandates!
I don't really care anymore! Believe whatever you like. Or, talk to someone else.

I did not ask why businesses would not want it to be public, I asked why you wouldn't give me examples of such businesses if it was public that they are ignoring COVID laws. You've now made it clear that it's not public at all.
I was talking about businesses that ARE public businesses. You twisted my meaning of the word "public" to mean businesses that are NOT enforcing this mandate, openly and publicly. But didn't clarify, just to keep this nonsense going.

"So they're not public, but you DO know of some businesses which are ignoring government vaccine mandates?"

Yes they are PUBLIC BUSINESSES! Did you think that I was talking about UNPUBLIC BUSINESSES? Another question with the conclusion in it. This is why I should have never answered this presumptive questions. They are all fallacious and misleading. Another tool used by you in PUBLIC discourse!
 

chris155au

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I don't really care anymore! Believe whatever you like. Or, talk to someone else.
It really is very strange that you have such a hard time accepting that businesses have implemented their own vaccine mandates outside of government orders! VERY strange!

I was talking about businesses that ARE public businesses. You twisted my meaning of the word "public" to mean businesses that are NOT enforcing this mandate, openly and publicly.
Why the hell do you always have to assume bad motive? Isn't it more likely that I simply misunderstood your use of "public." So often you wrongly interpret innocent misinterpretation as malicious misrepresentation. To confirm, I thought that you were saying that what these businesses were doing, or not doing, was PUBLIC information. Obviously it's not public information and you just know of such businesses.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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It really is very strange that you have such a hard time accepting that businesses have implemented their own vaccine mandates outside of government orders! VERY strange!



Why the hell do you always have to assume bad motive? Isn't it more likely that I simply misunderstood your use of "public." So often you wrongly interpret innocent misinterpretation as malicious misrepresentation. To confirm, I thought that you were saying that what these businesses were doing, or not doing, was PUBLIC information. Obviously it's not public information and you just know of such businesses.
BULLSHIT!!

You knew exactly what I was saying. And, you knew exactly what I meant. All you are trying to do, is create an every-changing narrative, with an ever-changing spin, to bog people down answering your ever-changing questions. All to save face, and the shrinking credibility that you have left.

But, by blaming the victim for exposing your blatant and constant misrepresentations and misinterpretations, as only being innocent, only digs you a deeper rabbit-hole. You clearly do not take responsibility for your actions. Which is why I asked before, just how old you are?
 
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chris155au

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BULLSHIT!!
NOT bullshit.

You knew exactly what I was saying. And, you knew exactly what I meant.
No I did not. How much do you charge for psychic
sessions, because you're not very good at it.

But, by blaming the victim for exposing your blatant and constant misrepresentations and misinterpretations, as only being innocent, only digs you a deeper rabbit-hole.
I'm glad to see that you think that I am at least sometimes misinterpreting
rather than misrepresenting. Again, isn't it more likely that I simply misunderstood your use of "public?"
 

chris155au

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Bullshit, and you know it! It was the government that initially enacted vaccine mandates for all international aviation and age-care industries. Other industries later followed suit. READ the information I gave you about BHP!!
It really is very strange that you have such a hard time accepting that businesses have implemented their own vaccine mandates outside of government orders! VERY strange!
 

Shellandshilo1956

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It really is very strange that you have such a hard time accepting that businesses have implemented their own vaccine mandates outside of government orders! VERY strange!
And it is very strange that anyone could think that businesses, outside of those businesses mandated by the government, simply pulled the idea of mandating their employees to be vaccinated, JUST OUT OF THEIR ASS!! Where were these business vaccine initiatives last year, before the government initiated mandates? As I have said, believe whatever you like.

No I did not. How much do you charge for psychic
sessions, because you're not very good at it.
So what NON-PUBLIC BUSINESSES did you think I was talking about? Or, what else could I have meant, by saying that businesses don't want to make ignoring government restriction's public? And, you don't need to be a psychic to recognize bullshit when you hear it!!

I'm glad to see that you think that I am at least sometimes misinterpreting
rather than misrepresenting. Again, isn't it more likely that I simply misunderstood your use of "public?"
Off on another tangent I see. Any rational person would understand why businesses that cater to the public, would not won't it publicly known that they were violating government restrictions. I can understand your misinterpretation the first time. But when you still misrepresent and misinterpret my meaning, after it was explained to you, then you must have some other motive for asking.
 

chris155au

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Where were these business vaccine initiatives last year, before the government initiated mandates?
Uh, are you actually being serious? When did our vaccination rollout commence?

So what NON-PUBLIC BUSINESSES did you think I was talking about?
None.

Any rational person would understand why businesses that cater to the public, would not won't it publicly known that they were violating government restrictions.
Yes, and I'm one of them. Look, I made it VERY clear in a previous post. You may have somehow missed it. Here it is again: "To confirm, I thought that you were saying that what these businesses were doing, or not doing, was PUBLIC information. Obviously it's not public information and you just know of such businesses." If you STILL do not understand after this, well then I cannot help you I'm afraid.
 

chris155au

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Yes!! So where were these vaccine mandates for businesses(other than government designated businesses), last year???
I'll ask again: WHEN did our vaccination
rollout commence? HINT: it wasn't last bloody year! :ROFL1

None WHAT?? What are the NON-public businesses that you thought I was referring to?
I didn't think that you were referring to any non-public businesses. Look, I made it VERY clear in a previous post and then I repeated it against in my last post. You may have somehow missed it TWICE! The most recent time you even CUT IT OUT from my post which you only partially quoted! So I have to ask: are you DELIBERATELY ignoring it? Or can you just not comprehend basic English? Here it is again: "To confirm, I thought that you were saying that what these businesses were doing, or not doing, was PUBLIC information. Obviously it's not public information and you just know of such businesses." If you STILL do not understand after this, well then I cannot help you I'm afraid.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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I'll ask again: WHEN did our vaccination
rollout commence? HINT: it wasn't last bloody year! :ROFL1
The first vaccines started in Australia on Mon., the 22nd Feb. 2021(on the 14th Dec. 2020 in the US). So when I asked you, "Where were these vaccine mandates last year?", this was in reference to my claim, that businesses did not pull vaccine mandate policies out of their asses. Your answer should have been, that there were no vaccine initiative policies by businesses last year. And, that these private vaccine mandate initiatives by private or public businesses, were only created to be in line with the state, and the federal government's vaccine mandate initiatives.

Now this is what I meant, and this is what I've said!! So let's go off on another new tangent to distract!

I didn't think that you were referring to any non-public businesses. Look, I made it VERY clear in a previous post and then I repeated it against in my last post. You may have somehow missed it TWICE! The most recent time you even CUT IT OUT from my post which you only partially quoted! So I have to ask: are you DELIBERATELY ignoring it? Or can you just not comprehend basic English? Here it is again: "To confirm, I thought that you were saying that what these businesses were doing, or not doing, was PUBLIC information. Obviously it's not public information and you just know of such businesses." If you STILL do not understand after this, well then I cannot help you I'm afraid.
Why would any rational thinking human think, that any business owner would want violating medical protocols, and committing a criminal offence, to BE public information? So, for the second time, why would you have thought this in the first place? Are you DELIBERATELY ignoring me? Or, can't you comprehend basic English?

I have answered all of your questions using facts, so stop avoiding mine, and answer them. If you are not going to address MY questions, then please go play 20 irrelevant questions elsewhere. You are simply more interested in just going the distance with more bullshit distractions, than in having an honest debate. Everything out of your mouth, is just a modified version of everything that I've already said. Again, I'm simply just arguing with myself!! You argue with my answers to YOUR questions. But ignore answering any of MY questions. Wonder why that is? What's next? Please repeat all the questions again? Or, I've have already answered all of your questions? Or, prove to me that I haven't? Insane!!
 

chris155au

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Yes!! So where were these vaccine mandates for businesses(other than government designated businesses), last year???
Which country?

And, that these private vaccine mandate initiatives by private or public businesses, were only created to be in line with the state,and the federal government's vaccine mandate initiatives.
WTF? If they were "only created to be in line with the state, and the federal
government's vaccine mandate initiatives"
, then how in the HELL are they "PRIVATE vaccine mandate initiatives?"

Why would any rational thinking human think, that any business owner would want violating medical protocols, and committing a criminal offence, to BE public information?
They wouldn't.

So, for the second time, why would you have thought this in the first place?
I didn't. It looks like you STILL haven't understood! It's probably completely pointless, but I might as well copy and paste it again, in attempt to explain it to you for the THIRD time:
"To confirm, I thought that you were saying that what these businesses were doing, or not doing, was PUBLIC information. Obviously it's not public information and you just know of such businesses."
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Which country?
What country do you think? Uzbekistan? Go go ask a friend!

WTF? If they were "only created to be in line with the state, and the federal
government's vaccine mandate initiatives"
, then how in the HELL are they "PRIVATE vaccine mandate initiatives?"
I used "private" to refer only to the vaccine initiatives created by private OR public businesses. This was evident in the the dependent clause,

"And, that these private vaccine mandate initiatives by private or public businesses, were only created to be in line with the state, and the federal government's vaccine mandate initiatives.".

Nothing to do with whether or not their vaccine initiatives were made public, or kept private. Just playing games with words. What I was saying, was that these vaccine initiatives by private and public businesses, were influenced by the state and federal government's vaccine initiatives. So, is this NOT true. If not, then why not?

Only a moron would think that public and private businesses created their own vaccine initiatives, even BEFORE VACCINES WERE EVER CREATED(hence last year)!!

They wouldn't.
Then why did you keep asking???

I didn't. It looks like you STILL haven't understood! It's probably completely pointless, but I might as well copy and paste it again, in attempt to explain it to you for the THIRD time:
"To confirm, I thought that you were saying that what these businesses were doing, or not doing, was PUBLIC information. Obviously it's not public information and you just know of such businesses."
Oh, I understand perfectly. You are still trying to baffle people with bullshit. Now here is what you actually did say,

"Actually, I hadn't heard about any. Can you name any examples? I imagine that they would have been charged with some sort of offense.".

Why are you asking me to name a business, knowing that it could be charged with an offense? And then,

"So they're not public, but you DO know of some businesses which are ignoring government vaccine mandates?".

Again asking me to name which public businesses are ignoring vaccine mandates! And then,

"So these businesses which you refer which are ignoring government vaccine mandates ARE public? That's why I asked if you could give an example, because I'm not aware of them.".

Which is it? Because you are not aware of any? Or, because these businesses ARE public businesses? Bit ambiguous! Also, private businesses can also ignore vaccine mandates. And then,

"Can't you give an example of a business which is ignoring government vaccine mandates?".

Why do you you continue asking? And then,

"Why not?", and "I'm interested, that's why.".

It is very clear what your motives are at this point. And then,

"Why not? You said that it was public information!".

I never said that the activities of these businesses was a matter of public information!! If they were, then why would you need to ask me?? Wouldn't it be public information? There is no doubt that you have a specific purpose for asking these questions. And, that you simply want me to tell you the names of businesses that are ignoring the government's vaccine protocols. So, for the last time, it is none of your business!

So, you just keep clinging to your bullshit straw man excuses, and I'll keep presenting the facts. Okay? Maybe you might want to answer some of my other questions? Although, I won't hold my breath!!
 

chris155au

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What country do you think?
I was thinking Australia, but you asked "where were these vaccine mandates last year" when we didn't even have the vaccine last year in Australia, so I'm not sure what country you are talking about! So again, which country are you talking about?

I used "private" to refer only to the vaccine initiatives created by private OR public businesses. This was evident in the the dependent clause,

"And, that these private vaccine mandate initiatives by private or public businesses, were only created to be in line with the state, and the federal government's vaccine mandate initiatives.".
Yes that's what you said. You said:
"PRIVATE vaccine mandate initiatives by private OR PUBLIC businesses." Did you mean to include PRIVATE vaccine mandate initiatives by PUBLIC businesses? Or did you mean only PRIVATE vaccine mandate initiatives by PRIVATE businesses?

Nothing to do with whether or not their vaccine initiatives were made public, or kept private. Just playing games with words. What I was saying, was that these vaccine initiatives by private and public businesses, were influenced by the state and federal government's vaccine initiatives.
Influenced by? Yeah, you could make that argument I think. But what you seem to be unable to grapple with is this question: if a business adopts a vaccine mandate policy even though they are not required to do so by government, why did they decide to do it and more importantly, who is responsible for that policy?

Only a moron would think that public and private businesses created their own vaccine initiatives, even BEFORE VACCINES WERE EVER CREATED(hence last year)!!
Well I never mentioned businesses creating their own vaccine initiatives, BEFORE VACCINES WERE EVER CREATED.
 
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