Is God dead?

Shellandshilo1956

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Did you ever believe in God? If you did, what changed it for you? If you did and still do, why? If you never did, why? Or are you perched on the fence......and why?
When I was in Jr. High, during a science class lecture of the reproductive system. I raised my hand near the end of the lecture to ask a question. I asked the teacher in front of the whole class, "But when does the Stork come in?". I've never believed in ANYTHING supernatural since!
 
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I read about a woman who in university biology asked that surely men have one less rib because of Adam. It's easy to see how we are told things as kids and no one every corrects them
 

mothra

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I read about a woman who in university biology asked that surely men have one less rib because of Adam. It's easy to see how we are told things as kids and no one every corrects them

I met my first creationist in a nutrition tute at uni. As is said, raised a catholic but catholics believe in evolution so this was well new to me.

She said "Unless you're stupid enough to believe we came from apes" ... then spun around in her chair and stared at us all individually in challenge. Never been more unnerved in my life.

But as a curious aside, in older versions of Adam and Eve, Eve was made from Adam's spiny tail, thus representing the demonic part of man. This was of course after Lilith got kicked out for "not lying on her back".
 

mothra

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I'm going to sit on Mothra's uncomfortable fence .....



I'll join you on the fence with respect to OBE's and NDE's. I've read too many credible accounts to reject them out of hand.

So, Mothra, I despise you for having these experiences because I'm still waiting to have one... 😆

Could you share one, or more if you're inclined.

No NDE's or OBE's, sorry to report. I'm a bit scared to say too much for fear of ridicule .. not from anyone here but from the constant spies from Ozpol ... i learned not to disclose personal stuff long ago.

But there are things i cannot explain. And not all of those things have involved me personally. I love watching animals and any even casual observation of them will convince you they are receiving information we are not. Whether it's been conditioned out of us or it is simply that every single species is operating on it's own unique wave-length is beyond me but i know i have witnessed uncanny instincts in the animals around me. Not just in the wild but domesticated. I can't explain it. I don't necessarily consider it evidence of a higher being or beings ... just an example of something nobody has ever been able to explain to my satisfaction.

I can't even begin to look at the most basic physics and maths without developing an immediate headache but i understand the question of alternate dimensions feature pretty commonly in their halls. So they too recognise that there is much we don't know.

My intuition tells me that the ineffable answers to the universe and our individual and collective place in it will not be answered by science or religion ... but both will continue to raise excellent questions if done right. Sadly, uncommonly is religion done right, especially in the west.

I do believe in paying attention to your dreams and instincts. One thing i can tell you for certainty is through both, i have known things i could not otherwise have known. I cannot explain it. I just know it to be true.
 

Linus

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I've come across an interesting person by the name of Rupert Sheldrake. He's a bit of a maverick in academic circles in that he challenges the materialist paradigm. So, he has been subject to a lot of scorn. He even had a TED talk or two banned. But they're there on Youtube.

In any case, on animals, he has performed a few experiments that underscore what Mothra has said, in this case a parrot.


 
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I met my first creationist in a nutrition tute at uni. As is said, raised a catholic but catholics believe in evolution so this was well new to me.

She said "Unless you're stupid enough to believe we came from apes" ... then spun around in her chair and stared at us all individually in challenge. Never been more unnerved in my life.

But as a curious aside, in older versions of Adam and Eve, Eve was made from Adam's spiny tail, thus representing the demonic part of man. This was of course after Lilith got kicked out for "not lying on her back".
Yeah the pastor in my old church used to say 'I can't help what you personally feel your ancestors may be'. Smarmy but not really making any real case....
 
I do believe in paying attention to your dreams and instincts. One thing i can tell you for certainty is through both, i have known things i could not otherwise have known. I cannot explain it. I just know it to be true.
Your dreams are your subconscious. Your instincts are your gut reactions based on experience. Both of these things are likely to be worthwhile
 

mothra

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Your dreams are your subconscious. Your instincts are your gut reactions based on experience. Both of these things are likely to be worthwhile

And if i said i wasn't convinced that that was all there was to it?

Don't get me wrong ... i'm not saying it's not, i'm just saying that i have had personal experiences that cannot be neatly explained in those ways. I'm all too ready to meet such explanation, but i've not come across it yet.

Both science and spirituality speak to bits, not others.

In short, i consider myself agnostic because i simply do not have the answers. Were i to be blunt, i think anyone who claims they do is a fool.

I hasten to add that i'm not calling anyone a fool. Just judging me by my own standards if i were someone else.
 
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