Is God dead?

Linus

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Did you ever believe in God? If you did, what changed it for you? If you did and still do, why? If you never did, why? Or are you perched on the fence......and why?
 
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Linus

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It probably wasn't just that. I mean Francis Collins, who headed the Human Genome Project, believes in God. Surprising but obviously science didn't dissuade him..
 
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Lols

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I believed in this God as I grew up because of being brought up catholic.
I never questioned it and I never understood much about God except that “he” was everywhere.
In the last 20 years… I’ve questioned a lot of things… I became very agnostic.
Because I didn’t understand exactly what “God” was or was supposed to be doing….
I’m coming to the conclusion that God is “energy” of some sort.
And yet we as humans are given free will.
I read about peoples experiences of dying…of floating upwards and seeing their bodies…then going towards the bright light and seeing/sensing all departed loved ones including pets.
Of how they don’t want to come back into their bodies ….
I read how medical staff are now placing objects up on high ledges so as when people die… and come back again… having floated above their bodies… and to get asked what objects do they recall seeing up in the high ledge. This object gets changed daily.
It’s good they are taking a scientific approach.
Myself… my belief is that there’s more to life than we realise. Why it’s kept mysterious I don’t know.
I read somewhere there are missing pages to this bible … being kept from us … what’s this knowledge then? Why not tell us?
Theses secrets of our history and differences … the more I find out we are being kept in the dark… and these “resets” … wtf?
 

Linus

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All that stuff is very interesting. I do know the experiment you're referring to Lols. It was called Project Aware, headed by a Dr Sam Parnia. None of the cardiac arrest patients who were revived had reported any of the objects placed above them or what was on computer screens,facing upwards,placed above them.

I'm not sure if they're still running that experiment anywhere.

Here's an intriguing video( but you'll have to watch it on Youtube):

 

SethBullock

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It’s interesting to me that people have believed in an afterlife down through history. Even the most isolated and primitive societies believe in it. It seems as though we humans have some sort of innate awareness that there is something more than just this physical life we experience.

But if that’s so, I really have no idea what it is.
 

Lols

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Maybe we were just a human experiment gone wrong? Maybe our “creator” is aliens … advanced so much… that we were test tube creations?
Adam then Eve and pro created since!
I don’t know but… maybe maybe maybe…
Why do some of us humans have empathy and kindness and some are Satan worshipping baby eaters?
There’s good and there’s evil…. Where did that all go wrong…Remember the cartoon Milton the monster? …. So many drops of sinister sauce… but must use some tenderness… but only a drop… then ooops… too much!
I was reading about blue eyes… those of us with blue eyes share one ancestor… only one that had blue eyes out of all the humans … where they had brown eyes… now how did that happen?
I’m blue eyed… so I’m related and sharing a common ancestor with all you blue eyes out there! Hello cuz!
 

Linus

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At the end of the day, if you go back far enough, we're all related.

Blue eyes, happened as a result of gene mutation.
 
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Linus

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You might already be aware that we share about 98 % of our DNA with Chimps. And about 99.99% with every other person on the planet. :ROFLMAO:
 

mothra

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I was raised Catholic but always had too many questions for my mother's liking.

She couldn't tell me who God's mother was. I never was able to reconcile that.

And she said my cat wasn't going to heaven and i wasn't having any part of that.

Early to mid teens i turned my back on it all.

Now i'm an Agnostic because i seriously have no fucking idea what's going on. I know there are things that i have experienced in my life that i cannot explain with reason, logic or science. That is not to say the answers aren't there, just that i have never found them.

So i keep an open mind.

No definitive proof either way.
 

johnsmith

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It’s interesting to me that people have believed in an afterlife down through history. Even the most isolated and primitive societies believe in it. It seems as though we humans have some sort of innate awareness that there is something more than just this physical life we experience.

But if that’s so, I really have no idea what it is.
I'm not sure if it was some sort off 'innate awareness', or more the need for humans to want more. Even today many people still feel the same. Surely there is more to 'life' than just this existance? There has to be something better to make up for the pain and misery inflicted on us in this life? And in true human fashion, when we don't understand the reaosns, we make up a reason that fits the scenario we want explained.
 
Did you ever believe in God? If you did, what changed it for you? If you did and still do, why? If you never did, why? Or are you perched on the fence......and why?
I believed in God as a kid, mum took us to the Lutheran church. I was kicked out of home and dad got religious so I went to his church. I ended up in a conservative pentecostal church for 30 years. Met my wife of 29 years there. We lived apart due to her study and independently left the church. I got sick of racism and ignorance around gays, trans kids, Muslims and refugees. the final straw was a sermon where the preacher said, God is so powerful, an Aboriginal man could be pastor and it would be acceptable, in the church, for a black man to have authority over a white man'. No one blinked. I left
 

johnsmith

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I read about peoples experiences of dying…of floating upwards and seeing their bodies…then going towards the bright light and seeing/sensing all departed loved ones including pets.
Of how they don’t want to come back into their bodies ….
I read how medical staff are now placing objects up on high ledges so as when people die… and come back again… having floated above their bodies… and to get asked what objects do they recall seeing up in the high ledge. This object gets changed daily.
It’s good they are taking a scientific approach.

I recall reading something years ago, where this was explained. Apparently you hear these stories all your life, of your soul floating up from your body, so when your body goes into some sort of shock, your brain sometimes recalls these stories and you wake up thinking you were experiencing it

A bit like when I was a kid and I used to dream I was superman flying through the air and then I'd crash .... I'd wake up with my heart pounding, believing for a little while that I'd really been flying.
 
I recall reading something years ago, where this was explained. Apparently you hear these stories all your life, of your soul floating up from your body, so when your body goes into some sort of shock, your brain sometimes recalls these stories and you wake up thinking you were experiencing it

A bit like when I was a kid and I used to dream I was superman flying through the air and then I'd crash .... I'd wake up with my heart pounding, believing for a little while that I'd really been flying.
This is basically your brain dying. If you come back, the memory is of a tunnel and a light, as your brain shuts down. The memories of things that happened are the same, you did hear them, as you died, but the floating was an illusion. The 'he saw something on top of a cupboard' stories are almost certainly bullshit.

They've done scans and proven you remain conscious for minutes after your heart stops or whatever. No new fuel to your brain but it still uses what it has on hand as it fades away
 

Linus

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I'm going to sit on Mothra's uncomfortable fence .....
I was raised Catholic but always had too many questions for my mother's liking.

She couldn't tell me who God's mother was. I never was able to reconcile that.

And she said my cat wasn't going to heaven and i wasn't having any part of that.

Early to mid teens i turned my back on it all.

Now i'm an Agnostic because i seriously have no fucking idea what's going on. I know there are things that i have experienced in my life that i cannot explain with reason, logic or science. That is not to say the answers aren't there, just that i have never found them.

So i keep an open mind.

No definitive proof either way.

I'll join you on the fence with respect to OBE's and NDE's. I've read too many credible accounts to reject them out of hand.

So, Mothra, I despise you for having these experiences because I'm still waiting to have one... 😆

Could you share one, or more if you're inclined.
 
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