DeSantis

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For those of his fans here. Seems he is not running. Poll says Biden would flog him.
 

SethBullock

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@chris155au You see, that 12 percentage point difference is the Independents.

The Republicans can nominate a right wing conservative like DeSantis, and the Republicans will vote for him, but not enough Independents will. Same thing would happen with Trump. A candidate with Trump's policies could win, but not Trump.

The Republicans don't need to nominate a mealy mouthed RINO either. They need to nominate someone who is right on the issues, strong on those issues, persuasive, who inspires confidence, and who is likeable. Trump was mostly right on the issues but not likeable. Both he and DeSantis would lose big.

To be right on the issues, the candidate should not rely on left or right doctrine, but instead, upon common sense and experience. The American people want that, not a left or right wing drone.
 

chris155au

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@chris155au You see, that 12 percentage point difference is the Independents.

The Republicans can nominate a right wing conservative like DeSantis, and the Republicans will vote for him, but not enough Independents will. Same thing would happen with Trump. A candidate with Trump's policies could win, but not Trump.

The Republicans don't need to nominate a mealy mouthed RINO either. They need to nominate someone who is right on the issues, strong on those issues, persuasive, who inspires confidence, and who is likeable. Trump was mostly right on the issues but not likeable. Both he and DeSantis would lose big.

To be right on the issues, the candidate should not rely on left or right doctrine, but instead, upon common sense and experience. The American people want that, not a left or right wing drone.
What about on specific policies? For example, abortion. Take the Virginia Gubernatorial race for instance. Conservative commentator Matt Walsh has BLASTED the Republican candidate for not basically going out there and saying that ALL abortion should be abolished. Walsh says that based on this, he is confident that he will loose. Well it seems to me that he would be more likely to loose if he came out in support of the full abolition of abortion. I don't know why Walsh thinks that it's such a winning issue. Wishful thinking I guess, especially given that apparently 80% of Virginians support abortion at least in the first two trimesters.

 

Shellandshilo1956

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What about on specific policies? For example, abortion. Take the Virginia Gubernatorial race for instance. Conservative commentator Matt Walsh has BLASTED the Republican candidate for not basically going out there and saying that ALL abortion should be abolished. Walsh says that based on this, he is confident that he will loose. Well it seems to me that he would be more likely to loose if he came out in support of the full abolition of abortion. I don't know why Walsh thinks that it's such a winning issue. Wishful thinking I guess, especially given that apparently 80% of Virginians support abortion at least in the first two trimesters.

Anyone who listens to this really bad actor, is only hearing what they want to hear. Anyone who believes that there is no reason to abort a fetus during the 3rd trimester of pregnancy, is just gullible and ignorant. He is certainly NOT a medical doctor, or understands basic human biology. The governor is correct. And, this idiot is totally wrong

During the last trimester of pregnancy, the fetus is NOT VIABLE as he claims. The fetus is NOT FULLY FORMED as he claims. He is telling people that no threat to the mothers life ever exists. And, that this very real threat to the mother, is only an exercise in prochoice semantics. What a lying piece of shit!

He, like all the other pro-life-at-any-cost fanatics, don't give a shit about the life of the mother. They don't give a shit about the mother's right to to control her own reproductive system. They don't even give a shit about the life of an unwanted child. Or, the life a child without a mother. Shame on all these narrow-minded, sanctimonious, and ignorant hypocrites. Why can't they just MTOB, and stay out of other people's lives. They are worse than the religious peddlers knocking on your door!! If you believe in something, then do what you believe in. So, afford others the same right to do what THEY believe in.
 

chris155au

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Anyone who listens to this really bad actor, is only hearing what they want to hear. Anyone who believes that there is no reason to abort a fetus during the 3rd trimester of pregnancy, is just gullible and ignorant.
I'm glad that you watched it! To clarify what Walsh is saying - he is saying that abortion is not necessary in ANY trimester - not just the 3rd - in order to save the woman's life. But of course, there are any number of reasons - legitimate or illegitimate - to end a pregnancy at any point. So do you know if it is in fact the case that in rare circumstances an abortion is necessary in order to save the woman's life? I was always led to believe that this is the case and I have seen at least one source which is in direct conflict with what Walsh is saying. So I have reason to believe that Walsh is wrong here.

The governor is correct.
Who, McAufliffe? Well he's running for Governor - he aint Governor yet.

During the last trimester of pregnancy, the fetus is NOT VIABLE as he claims.
Well it is, as we've been discussing in the abortion thread.

The fetus is NOT FULLY FORMED as he claims.
Yeah, Walsh has got this HORRIBLY wrong. I don't know what he was thinking here.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Well it is, as we've been discussing in the abortion thread.
NO, THE FETUS ISN'T VIABLE!! If you take a 3rd term preemie out of the womb, and handed him to his mother, the fetus will die. You should really look up many sites that will explains why. It is only in the last week that a fetus is considered viable enough for natural birth.

If you took a 3rd term preemie out of the womb, it will spend weeks in an incubator/isolette in the NICU. It needs time for its organs and systems to fully develop. It is NOT fully viable. And it is NOT fully formed. This is a fact that can easily be verified.

This guy is an actor. He is paid to say whatever his party wants him to say. Whether he actually believes the shit he is spewing-out, I don't know. But what I do know is, that he is an actor who gets paid to do his job. And, that he knows very little about the subject he is preaching to others.

Who, McAufliffe? Well he's running for Governor - he aint Governor yet.
I stand corrected.

I'm glad that you watched it! To clarify what Walsh is saying - he is saying that abortion is not necessary in ANY trimester - not just the 3rd - in order to save the woman's life. But of course, there are any number of reasons - legitimate or illegitimate - to end a pregnancy at any point. So do you know if it is in fact the case that in rare circumstances an abortion is necessary in order to save the woman's life? I was always led to believe that this is the case and I have seen at least one source which is in direct conflict with what Walsh is saying. So I have reason to believe that Walsh is wrong here.
Here is the problem that all prolife fanatics have with abortion. They must believe that ALL unborn baby must be saved, under any circumstances, without any exceptions, or risk looking like hypocrites. Clearly, they would never agree that some unborn babies should be aborted, and others shouldn't? But, in the real world, reality is not like the ideal world they live in.

Mothers choose not to have a baby who is physically and mentally handicapped.
Mothers choose not to have a baby who was conceived from being raped.
Mothers choose not to have a baby who was conceived from incest.
Mothers choose not to have a baby because both parents are far too young to raise a child.
Mother choose not to have a baby because both parents are mentally handicapped.
Mothers choose not to have a baby who they don't even know who the father is.

In 2018 in the US, for every 100K live births, there were 20 mothers who died during childbirth. They died from cardiovascular and coronary conditions, Hemorrhage, Embolisms, Infections, Preeclampsia and Eclampsia, Breeched Birth, Cardiomyopathy, and other life-threatening diseases. That's 66,000 maternal deaths that year. So NOT so rare.

These are all real issues that prolife advocates avoid and rationalize like crazy. Since they can't attack a woman's right to control her own reproductive system, they attack the abortion itself, and the people who are providing their services. And, the hardest hurdle to jump, is when a woman's life is at stake. This issue is just too hard to rationalize away. So this genius's "huff and bluff" response is, DENIAL!! It just isn't true! It just isn't real! It is just all made up to fool us! There is never a reason why abortions should be preformed, at anytime during the pregnancy! Because I say so!

Unfortunately, there will be people hanging on his every word. No matter how many times he stutters and fumbles his words Not one ounce of evidence came with any of his denial rants. It was all just a PERFORMANCE to entertain the ignorant. NOT TO INFORM!!

Also, most mothers in their 3rd trimester, actually want to take their pregnancy to term. They don't want an abortion. It is only the medical circumstances that make abortion the option. NOT THE CHOICE!!
 
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chris155au

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NO, THE FETUS ISN'T VIABLE!! If you take a 3rd term preemie out of the womb, and handed him to his mother, the fetus will die.
Correct, which has NOTHING to do with age of viability. I can't quite believe you don't know this. A Google for "pregnancy age of viability" will inform you that viability is at 23-24 weeks. Your own source that you cite in the abortion thread says 24.

Here is the problem that all prolife fanatics have with abortion. They must believe that ALL unborn baby must be saved, under any circumstances, without any exceptions, or risk looking like hypocrites.
So do you know if it is in fact the case that in rare circumstances an abortion is necessary in order to save the woman's life?
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Correct, which has NOTHING to do with age of viability. I can't quite believe you don't know this. A Google for "pregnancy age of viability" will inform you that viability is at 23-24 weeks. Your own source that you cite in the abortion thread says 24.
You are just playing semantics games, and you know it. Fetal viability only indicates the level of certainty, that the fetus will be able to survive outside of the mother's womb. It also indicates the earliest time that the fetus will have the best CHANCE of surviving in an incubator/isolette, until its organs and systems are formed. In the early stages of pregnancy, the embryo/feus has no chance of survival, even in an incubator. Now that is the context of fetal viability. The earliest was 21 weeks. and the average is 23 weeks. Remember normal pregnancies go to term. Viability is a term used just in case the the pregnancy needs to be terminated.

Stop playing these games. You know very well, that a fetus at 23 weeks, is not expected to start crying when slapped on the behind. So stop twisting the word to fit your narrative.

So do you know if it is in fact the case that in rare circumstances an abortion is necessary in order to save the woman's life?
Yes, it is a fact that there are some cases, where the fetus needed to be aborted to save the life of the mother. Or, to save the life of the fetus. I have already listed many of the medical circumstances that would make an abortion necessary.
 

chris155au

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You are just playing semantics games, and you know it. Fetal viability only indicates the level of certainty, that the fetus will be able to survive outside of the mother's womb. It also indicates the earliest time that the fetus will have the best CHANCE of surviving in an incubator/isolette, until its organs and systems are formed. In the early stages of pregnancy, the embryo/feus has no chance of survival, even in an incubator. Now that is the context of fetal viability. The earliest was 21 weeks. and the average is 23 weeks.
Exactly. Fetal viability is 23 weeks on average. We don't disagree.

Stop playing these games. You know very well, that a fetus at 23 weeks, is not expected to start crying when slapped on the behind. So stop twisting the word to fit your narrative.
And you accuse ME of misrepresenting YOUR words! When the HELL did I say that a fetus at 23 weeks is expected to start crying when slapped on the behind, or anything REMOTELY like that?
 
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