Craig Kelly
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Shellandshilo1956
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What exactly is he saying about Ivermectin that makes him sound like an idiot? The idiots who are deserving of this reward, are those flogging the usage of a lab-created drug, that is unnecessary, unsafe, and have no pathogens in it.
I know about Ivermectin. It is very safe, and has been used for years. Remember we are not talking about another vaccine. We are talking about a direct treatment for those who are seriously infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus. It is this treatment that shows the most promise over most other treatments. Remember NO vaccine or treatment can prevent Covid-19. So this should always be a given.
The biggest idiot, is the former editor, and chief political correspondent to the "Australian". He(Paul Kelly), is just a journalist, masquerading as Australia's CMO. He's never even been to medical school. His Doctorates are all honorary.
it doesn't work
Shellandshilo1956
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How do you know? You do know that it is still being used to treat Covid-19 victims? Even in Australia. Ivermectin has been used, even before Covid-19 vaccines were even thought about? And, it is a treatment being used today. You should really read how the words are being phrased. Because no one is saying that it doesn't work. But they certainly are implying and insinuating it. I wonder if it has something to do with its low cost of treatment??it doesn't work
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
journals.lww.com
newsGP - Restrictions placed on ivermectin use in general practice
GPs can now only prescribe the drug, which has been touted as a potential COVID cure, for TGA-approved indications.
www1.racgp.org.au
there have been multiple studies, and all of them have been inconclusive. If it worked they'd know by now.
Shellandshilo1956
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Do you hear yourself. INCONCLUSIVE DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T WORK!! Did you miss the part where it is still being successfully used to treat Covid-19? Or, that doctors are still prescribing Ivermectin to their patients? So exactly what was inconclusive about the studies? Were seriously ill patients NOT getting better? How was the treatment failing?
Please don't just say, well it doesn't work(circular). Or, if it did we'd already know(presumptive and ignorant).
We KNOW that the treatment works from the verifiable results. We know why the treatment works. We only need to increase the trial numbers, and get past all the Government's(and their stooges) stonewalling and negative press. You guys should really watch how things are being worded. Remember when people used to be dying from Covid-19? Now they're dying from the "complications" of Covid-19. The truth will always rise to the surface. Eventually!
it also doesn't mean that it does work.
What it DOES mean however is that there was no evidence that it worked. Like I said, if it worked they'd know by now.
that's like someone with mild covid taking an aspirin then claiming the aspirin cured his covid.
Shellandshilo1956
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Stating that something doesn't work, and then stating that this doesn't mean that something does work, is just saying the same thing a different way(tautology). Since you won't answer my questions, I have no idea what you are trying to say. You say that Ivermectin doesn't work. This is a lie. We can prove that it stops viral replication in the lab. You say that there is no evidence. This is also another lie. How many more results and findings will it take, before you call them evidence? I just have no idea why you would say that Ivermectin doesn't work, when there is so much evidence supporting that it does. The best vague conclusion the government can claim. is that the evidence is inconclusive.
Are all these articles and experiments just lies? Are the doctors all idiots? Are the researcher all delusional? Ivermectin is still the first line of treatment for this illness in many countries. IT IS A TREATMENT, NOT A VACCINE!! So stop implying that Ivermectin is also a vaccine. Secondly, doctors still prescribe and treat their patients with Ivermectin. Are they all knowingly treating their patients with a placebo?? Thirdly, lab results show conclusively that Ivermectin does stop the SARS-CoV-2 virus, by stopping it from replicating itself.
The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro
Although several clinical trials are now underway to test possible therapies, the worldwide response to the COVID-19 outbreak has been largely limited…
www.sciencedirect.com
Ivermectin has been used for over 30 years, against malaria, and for the control of other parasites. It has a very good safety record in all animals.
So the reason why it doesn't work, is that if it did, then there would be evidence that it did work. Ignoring that the absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence, why are you dismissing without explanation, all the findings and evidence, supporting the efficacy of Ivermectin? Do you even know what the articles, the results, the trials, and the underlying science even mean?? Is this why you keep ignoring my questions?
So you are saying that these researcher are claiming that Ivermectin is the cure for Covid-19? Really? Do you know anyone who is claiming that aspirin is the cure for Covid-19?? Or, anyone claiming that Ivermectin is the cure for Covid-19?? But to be clear, people will take aspirins for the pain, and to lower an elevated temp. And, people who already have Covid-19(any severity), will take Ivermectin to stop the virus from replicating and causing more tissue damage(infections).
So again not sure the relevance or accuracy of this analogy.
Shellandshilo1956
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How do you know this? Aren't you just assuming that this must be true? We couldn't kill a virus before this pandemic, and we can't kill one now. We have the same problem with viruses, as we do with cancers. We can't prevent either. It as also irrelevant what the intended purpose of any drug is. The only thing that matters, is if it works or not.
Here is what happens. Normally a virus enters the body and attaches and enters the cell. But in order for it to copy itself, it must highjack the DNA material from the nucleus of the cell. But to get into the nucleus, it must bind to something to hitch a ride into the nucleus. Once inside the nucleus it can reduce the body's response-time to the virus, thus making the infection worse.
Ivermectin prevents the SARS-CoV-2 virus from entering the nucleus, by preventing it from binding to a cargo transporter. By taking Ivermectin(tablet), the body can fight the infection normally. Because its antiviral response hasn’t been reduced by any of the viral proteins. So, no replication, easy to remove, and milder symptoms! A cheap win-win.
Vaccine hesitancy?? I like Informed and autonomous!!
exactly!. Glad to see you finally caught on
Shellandshilo1956
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I think it is more about WHAT is being put into your arm, than it is about how it is being put into your arms. But by all means, cling to whatever narrative you want. So, now millions of people have suddenly come down with trypanophobia. Really? And this sounds rational to you??
I really think that you are missing the point. Are there any other labels that they have taught you to parrot? If you still have any working brain cells left, then this is definitely one 10 min video that should bother you to the core. This is about a bit more than just vaccine hesitancy.
Shellandshilo1956
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No John I was being sarcastic. No rational person would think that this response would make a sensible argument. It is just circular reasoning and ignorance. "It's right, because it's right.". I'm not going to waste time with you John. You know nothing, contribute nothing, and will believe only what you are told to believe. Since you are intellectually lazy, and have very little depth of knowledge, I would only be arguing with an answering machine.
So, unless you are going to explain WHY ivermectin DOES'T work, then go troll somewhere else!! Just more shit that you don't have a clue about.