COVID vacc

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Look, I agree that anyone over 70 years old, or have a pre-existing chronic illness, or have an already compromised immune system, should consider being vaccinated. It is certainly a valid and responsible option. But, these are decisions that are made by CHOICE. Lockdowns, mask wearing, 2 meter separations, suspension of civil liberties, business and industry shutdowns, job loses, and border closures are NOT by choice. This is my gripe.

My point was, people are aware that they can die from the complications of being infected with Covid-19. They are NOT aware that the can die from being infected with this hurried Covid-19 mRNA vaccine. Regardless of how few may die(over 3,000 in America). Do we tell their loved ones, "well bad luck, it's only just a few!"?


The truth is, that vaccines do NOT prevent reinfections(breakthrough infections), being infected, or are absolutely safe, necessary, or effective. At best, they can lessen the severity and length of a viral infection. At worse, they can send our immune system into overdrive, reacting to this man-made artificial stimulus, that is introduced into the body. This can sometimes lead to hospitalization or even death. As a DIRECT consequences. These effects are still being monitored.
 

Texan

Active member
I am already being pressured by certain customers to take the vaccine before I am allowed on their job site. I could eventually lose my job over this. Nobody takes into account that I have already had the disease and still have antibodies 9 months later. I give blood as often as possible and they test me for antibodies. Government is becoming more about population control of every facet of our lives.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
I am already being pressured by certain customers to take the vaccine before I am allowed on their job site. I could eventually lose my job over this. Nobody takes into account that I have already had the disease and still have antibodies 9 months later. I give blood as often as possible and they test me for antibodies. Government is becoming more about population control of every facet of our lives.

Wow, even after understanding your situation, and your clear immunity to the disease, they still require your compliance, or else? Did you require hospitalization during your illness? Were you in the "most at risk" groups? Do you still wear a mask? Why or why not?

I agree that the government's primary agenda is NOT necessarily public health. Once ego-centric politicians have had a taste of power and control over complacent and compliant sheep, it will be almost impossible for them to give it up. Now, even one new case(even from a healthy 17yo), would be enough to justify even more lockdowns. These lockdowns have NO EFFECT on them at all.

I was in the shopping center with my partner on Tuesday. We both had to squeeze past a hundred people, to stand in line at our favorite Japanese takeaway. It serves Karaage chicken, and Garlic and Onion chicken wings. While standing in line, we were all told by the coronavirus police, that we must keep two meters apart. I asked them if they thought that the 36 people still infected in Queensland, were all in this shopping center? They just smiled and squeezed past more people as they left.

My advice is to get a doctors certificate, attesting to why a vaccine would be unnecessary. And, possibly dangerous.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Having antibodies does NOT mean a person has immunity. Nor does it preclude catching it again, as you claim. You tell Texan he has a clear immunity to the disease...

What BS is this.? You are a doctor of epidemiology, apparently. You are a doctor who has degrees, or least Diplomas, in chemistry, bacteriology, pathology, and you are THE EXPERT.
Right.?

As for getting drs cert.? No-one really knows enough yet .. and any reputable and/or legitimate doctor would find it impossible to do so. I don't know what world YOU live in.

You say :
Once ego-centric politicians have had a taste of power and control over complacent and compliant sheep, it will be almost impossible for them to give it up. Now, even one new case(even from a healthy 17yo), would be enough to justify even more lockdowns. These lockdowns have NO EFFECT on them at all.

and what is this crap ? (see above)
It means absolutely nothing.. just pap for the poorly -gifted.

You really don't make sense Shell, regardless of your vaunted opinion of your own clear-sightedness. You can declare your expansive knowledge, and I can say What a Load of BS.!

And the thing is, it is impossible to answer such flights of paranoia and fantasy... so no one even tries. See Shell? 's ( on the seashore) You only appeal to the grossest human fears... you have NO finesse.

So I claim the right to ignore you, or revile you, just as you do to others. Fair enough.

I'm likely to mostly ignore you, because one can only read the same things so many times, and then. regardless of the content, it loses ALL meaning.
 

Texan

Active member
Wow, even after understanding your situation, and your clear immunity to the disease, they still require your compliance, or else? Did you require hospitalization during your illness? Were you in the "most at risk" groups? Do you still wear a mask? Why or why not?

I agree that the government's primary agenda is NOT necessarily public health. Once ego-centric politicians have had a taste of power and control over complacent and compliant sheep, it will be almost impossible for them to give it up. Now, even one new case(even from a healthy 17yo), would be enough to justify even more lockdowns. These lockdowns have NO EFFECT on them at all.

I was in the shopping center with my partner on Tuesday. We both had to squeeze past a hundred people, to stand in line at our favorite Japanese takeaway. It serves Karaage chicken, and Garlic and Onion chicken wings. While standing in line, we were all told by the coronavirus police, that we must keep two meters apart. I asked them if they thought that the 36 people still infected in Queensland, were all in this shopping center? They just smiled and squeezed past more people as they left.

My advice is to get a doctors certificate, attesting to why a vaccine would be unnecessary. And, possibly dangerous.
I was 53 years old. I'll admit I am overweight, but not morbidly so. I am very active and have a very strong immune system. My illness was identical to that of my 18 year old son. I had a 39C fever for 5 day. A dose of Advil would knock it down to normal for 12 hours. I had a mild cough for 2 weeks. We never saw a doctor after my son's initial diagnosis. I had the disease and we both tested negative by the time his 2 week quarantine was finished. My 24 year old son was assymptomatic. After 12 days of quarantine, my 49 year old wife also got sick. She had the same symptoms, but they were worse. She also had nausea and a mild case of pneumonia. She spent 5 days in the hospital for the nausea. She also had some hair loss for about 3 months afterward. She is fine now. I have donated blood for decades and my blood has been tested for antibodies since this began last March. My tests show negative through July 2020 and positive for antibodies since. My doctor is about my age and had covid in October. He went ahead and took the jabs to instill confidence in his patience. He thinks the 2nd shot was harder on him because of the antibodies already in his blood. He suggested that I don't get the vaccine as long as I still have antibodies. Because I work at sensitive government sites and hospitals, I had to get antibody tests for several diseases like TB, yellow fever, etc...... I hadn't been vaccinated for these since I was in the military 30+ years ago. I still have the antibodies.


Having antibodies does NOT mean a person has immunity. Nor does it preclude catching it again, as you claim. You tell Texan he has a clear immunity to the disease...

What BS is this.? You are a doctor of epidemiology, apparently. You are a doctor who has degrees, or least Diplomas, in chemistry, bacteriology, pathology, and you are THE EXPERT.
Right.?

As for getting drs cert.? No-one really knows enough yet .. and any reputable and/or legitimate doctor would find it impossible to do so. I don't know what world YOU live in.

You say :
Once ego-centric politicians have had a taste of power and control over complacent and compliant sheep, it will be almost impossible for them to give it up. Now, even one new case(even from a healthy 17yo), would be enough to justify even more lockdowns. These lockdowns have NO EFFECT on them at all.

and what is this crap ? (see above)
It means absolutely nothing.. just pap for the poorly -gifted.

You really don't make sense Shell, regardless of your vaunted opinion of your own clear-sightedness. You can declare your expansive knowledge, and I can say What a Load of BS.!

And the thing is, it is impossible to answer such flights of paranoia and fantasy... so no one even tries. See Shell? 's ( on the seashore) You only appeal to the grossest human fears... you have NO finesse.

So I claim the right to ignore you, or revile you, just as you do to others. Fair enough.

I'm likely to mostly ignore you, because one can only read the same things so many times, and then. regardless of the content, it loses ALL meaning.
She is entitled to her opinion and I agree with it. What actually almost killed me was the covid hysteria. 6 weeks before I got covid, I became sick on Memorial Day weekend with 40C fever and severe nausea. I couldn't talk to my doctor until Tuesday morning because of the holiday. I was told to not come to the doctor's office and to take a drive through covid test in the hospital parking lot on Wednesday. The results were not to be ready until Friday. By Thursday, I was absolutely miserable and had lost 8 kg of weight. I went to the ER. After 5 hours of testing, they told me that my gallbladder was infected and needed to be removed. I had 2 rapid covid tests and both came back negative. Friday in the hospital, my original covid test came back negative. By this time my kidneys were shut down and my liver was failing. If my covid tests had came back positive, I'm sure they would have refused to operate on me and I would have died. They removed my gallbladder on Friday evening and I went home with no fever and eating solid food on Saturday. My liver took 2-3 months to get back to normal levels.

Covid hysteria may also be responsible for my wife's covid illness. She had severe nausea during our quarantine(she gets migraines occaissonally). She tested negative for covid, but when they admitted her, they put her in the covid ward of the hospital. She came home after one night, but 5 days later she got worse and tested positive for covid. We took her to a different hospital and she got the best of care for 5 nights. To this day, we don't know if she got covid from her family on the opposite end of the house or from the 1st hospital visit.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
I was 53 years old. I'll admit I am overweight, but not morbidly so. I am very active and have a very strong immune system. My illness was identical to that of my 18 year old son. I had a 39C fever for 5 day. A dose of Advil would knock it down to normal for 12 hours. I had a mild cough for 2 weeks. We never saw a doctor after my son's initial diagnosis. I had the disease and we both tested negative by the time his 2 week quarantine was finished. My 24 year old son was assymptomatic. After 12 days of quarantine, my 49 year old wife also got sick. She had the same symptoms, but they were worse. She also had nausea and a mild case of pneumonia. She spent 5 days in the hospital for the nausea. She also had some hair loss for about 3 months afterward. She is fine now. I have donated blood for decades and my blood has been tested for antibodies since this began last March. My tests show negative through July 2020 and positive for antibodies since. My doctor is about my age and had covid in October. He went ahead and took the jabs to instill confidence in his patience. He thinks the 2nd shot was harder on him because of the antibodies already in his blood. He suggested that I don't get the vaccine as long as I still have antibodies. Because I work at sensitive government sites and hospitals, I had to get antibody tests for several diseases like TB, yellow fever, etc...... I hadn't been vaccinated for these since I was in the military 30+ years ago. I still have the antibodies.
Even a mild case of pneumonia can be terrifying for a loved one. Thank you for sharing. From your comments, you were not in any of the "high risk" groups. Your doctor is certainly correct. Since you already carry the antibodies against this pathogen, there is no need to inject yourself with a mRNA vaccine, that codes for the spiked proteins, that prompts the immune system, to produce the antibodies that you already have.

A simple blood test for immunoglobulins, would clearly show these antibodies in your blood. Your doctor could arrange these blood tests for you. And, any medical certificate you may need.

You also mentioned the removal of your gallbladder. Was it gangrenous? If your kidneys were shutting down, and the poisons in your blood were shutting down your liver, then you are truly very lucky indeed to be alive. HRS is almost always fatal. So, if you had also been infected with any coronavirus, you would be dead. Hopefully, only good luck will follow you, and yours, in the future.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Having antibodies does NOT mean a person has immunity. Nor does it preclude catching it again, as you claim. You tell Texan he has a clear immunity to the disease...
You really need to learn what immunity means. It doesn't mean that you can't be infected again by the disease. It means that the immune system can recognize the pathogen earlier, and begin its immune response earlier. How does it do this? By having antibodies, specific to the pathogen, already in the blood. Since he already has the antibodies, what would a vaccine give him that he doesn't already have? Never mind.

As for getting drs cert.? No-one really knows enough yet .. and any reputable and/or legitimate doctor would find it impossible to do so. I don't know what world YOU live in.
How do you know what we know, or don't know about Covid-19? We know a lot about this pathogen. Why would any doctor NOT sign a certificate that he does or does not have Covid-19 antibodies?

You say :
Once ego-centric politicians have had a taste of power and control over complacent and compliant sheep, it will be almost impossible for them to give it up. Now, even one new case(even from a healthy 17yo), would be enough to justify even more lockdowns. These lockdowns have NO EFFECT on them at all.

and what is this crap ? (see above)
It means absolutely nothing.. just pap for the poorly -gifted.
Yes, what I said is true. One new case in Queensland(or was it 3), and the panic began, and back on lockdown again. Do you think that any politician is worries about his job, travelling, or eating in restaurants? They could tell everyone to have the vaccine, or they will continue the lockdown, if they wanted to. There will always be the government-wanna-be clones to support their actions.

So I claim the right to ignore you, or revile you, just as you do to others. Fair enough.
And, I really wish you would exercise that right.
 

Texan

Active member
Even a mild case of pneumonia can be terrifying for a loved one. Thank you for sharing. From your comments, you were not in any of the "high risk" groups. Your doctor is certainly correct. Since you already carry the antibodies against this pathogen, there is no need to inject yourself with a mRNA vaccine, that codes for the spiked proteins, that prompts the immune system, to produce the antibodies that you already have.

A simple blood test for immunoglobulins, would clearly show these antibodies in your blood. Your doctor could arrange these blood tests for you. And, any medical certificate you may need.

You also mentioned the removal of your gallbladder. Was it gangrenous? If your kidneys were shutting down, and the poisons in your blood were shutting down your liver, then you are truly very lucky indeed to be alive. HRS is almost always fatal. So, if you had also been infected with any coronavirus, you would be dead. Hopefully, only good luck will follow you, and yours, in the future.
I don't remember much from that hospital stay. I didn't hear the term gangrenous, only "infected", so who knows. I wasn't allowed visitors, so my wife wasn't there to make decisions or help me understand. I did feel much better when I went home. The getting around to get home caused my fever to come back up for a while. Because of this, I stayed home the next day instead of attending my youngest son's high school graduation ceremony. I didn't want to cause a mass covid panic and cause my family to miss the graduation. I live streamed it and saw him get his diploma on the home plate of Globe Life Field, where the Texas Rangers play baseball.

 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
Geez, Texan, that sound pretty bad, what you went through and then your wife—why the FUCK did they put her in the
COVID ward with a negative test?
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
Make the lawyers rich?

Hospital could argue that your wife was thought to have COVID19 so putting her in a general ward could have infected patients there.
 

Texan

Active member
Make the lawyers rich?

Hospital could argue that your wife was thought to have COVID19 so putting her in a general ward could have infected patients there.
That's why we haven't already sued. It's not worth the trouble and expense if you don't have a very good chance of winning. We could hire a lawyer with the contingency that they only get paid a percentage of the settlement if we win. Since we were already home quarantining, the hospital will argue that my wife got the covid at home and we have no way of proving otherwise. Case dismissed.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
That's why we haven't already sued. It's not worth the trouble and expense if you don't have a very good chance of winning. We could hire a lawyer with the contingency that they only get paid a percentage of the settlement if we win. Since we were already home quarantining, the hospital will argue that my wife got the covid at home and we have no way of proving otherwise. Case dismissed.

Just be aware of the hidden costs associated with "no win, no fee" lawyers, before you decide.


Always remember, "Nothing is free", and "You get what you pay for". My advice is to forget about it. The last thing you and your family need, is more headaches.

But at least the legal advice is free. That is, if you don't mind asking a car salesman, if his cars are in "good nick".
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
I am already being pressured by certain customers to take the vaccine before I am allowed on their job site. I could eventually lose my job over this. Nobody takes into account that I have already had the disease and still have antibodies 9 months later. I give blood as often as possible and they test me for antibodies. Government is becoming more about population control of every facet of our lives.
It's not the risk to you that they are concerned about, but that of others you might infect.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
You really need to learn what immunity means. It doesn't mean that you can't be infected again by the disease. It means that the immune system can recognize the pathogen earlier, and begin its immune response earlier. How does it do this? By having antibodies, specific to the pathogen, already in the blood. Since he already has the antibodies, what would a vaccine give him that he doesn't already have? Never mind.



How do you know what we know, or don't know about Covid-19? We know a lot about this pathogen. Why would any doctor NOT sign a certificate that he does or does not have Covid-19 antibodies?



Yes, what I said is true. One new case in Queensland(or was it 3), and the panic began, and back on lockdown again. Do you think that any politician is worries about his job, travelling, or eating in restaurants? They could tell everyone to have the vaccine, or they will continue the lockdown, if they wanted to. There will always be the government-wanna-be clones to support their actions.



And, I really wish you would exercise that right.
Nowhere did I suggest Texan get vaccinated.
I won't be having one, even tho I'm north of 60.

He is lucky to be with us all, as are we.
Quite an experience there Texan.
 
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