chris155au
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We cannot lock down again because of people with compromised immune systems.
Covid Surge in Australia
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chris155au
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By doing what exactly?
You think that we need to get to that point before what happens?
no, both are a problem
not enough staff or to a lesser extent for now, beds due to covid. Wards are struggling to field staff to watch the patients they do have, let alone any additional patients. Ambulances are banking for hours
NSW Health nears breaking point as COVID hospitalisations climb closer to record
The number of patients in the state’s hospitals have doubled in the week since Christmas and are predicted to keep rising.
7news.com.au
'It's so scary': COVID patients face delays as ambulances are forced to divert to other hospitals
Ebony Robertson's partner was one of several patients diverted from Western Sydney hospitals to receive care, but paramedics say conditions in the queue at other hospitals are not up to standard.
www.abc.net.au
by ocking up the NSW liberal government for a start. They let it spread throughout NSW and from there it went through the country.
We could have done what we did last year. Restrict movements from regions to regions.
gee, I don't know ... before the easter bunny comes hopping along.
chris155au
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"Ocking up?"
Because that did not happen in 2021?
You didn't make it clear. What are you saying should
only happen at that point? No more lockdowns?
Jebus! Australia had 1,097 new cases reported on Nov 30. On Jan 1st, you had 35,208. The U.S. had well over a million new cases reported on Jan 3rd. I'm not saying it will happen, but at that rate, there will have been a number of new cases that surpasses the number of our entire population before the end of the year.
Maybe that means we'll all be immune to it by next year! (Trying to look on the bright side.)
Fortunately, the death rate in both countries is lower than it was in September.
Maybe that means we'll all be immune to it by next year! (Trying to look on the bright side.)
Fortunately, the death rate in both countries is lower than it was in September.
Shellandshilo1956
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No Seth, that's not how it works. As more and more people are infected with this virus, and more and more people recover from this virus, the less and less people CAN become infected with this virus. So NO, the entire population will NEVER be infected Seth. The stats are constantly pointing this out. But people seem to crave their fears, more than the truth.
Although you are correct that on Jan 3rd, over 1M new cases were reported(0.3% of the US population). But without context it is just fear-mongering with misinformation. The weekly US average number of cases was 480K(0.1% of the population) new cases during that week. This 1M was the highest ever daily total(160K on the 1st and 280K on the 2nd). And these daily stats have fluctuated daily from between just a few hundred new cases in the early 2020's, to this Million new cases.
So, as you can see, less than 1% of the US population has ever been infected over either time periods. And lets not forget about the hundreds of thousands of those expected to recover. Right? This again means fewer and fewer people that the virus can infect.
In Australia, it's 35K new cases(0.1% of the population). Or, a weekly average of 19.8K new cases(0.07% of the population). Do you think that THIS is what the media will present to the people to fuel their fears? Of course not! To control people, you either keep people in fear, or keep them demoralized.
But we are not ALL sheeples Seth.
A very positive take on what is happening. The author is not a physician or scientist. He is a journalist and author.
But he cites information and statistics from reputable sources.
Read the article. Comments?
dailycaller.com
But he cites information and statistics from reputable sources.
Read the article. Comments?
With Omicron Dominant, COVID-19 Is Now Less Than ‘Just The Flu’
Thanks to the arrival of the Omicron variant, it's now accurate to say that COVID-19 is "just the flu" for the vast majority of the population.
dailycaller.com
Covid-19: 1 in 15 infected in England in last week of 2021
New figures show 1 in 15 people in England infected in last week of 2021; now Labour leader Keir Starmer has tested positive for the second time.
www.scmp.com
1 in 15 infected...
Shellandshilo1956
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Thank you Seth for positing this article. It echoes what I've been saying for some time now. That is, as long as you don't have any underlying serious illnesses, or are immunocompromised, you shouldn't have anything to fear from this virus. Especially, dying from it. In 2 years, Australia has never had more than 0.1% of the population even infected, or 0.01% of it population dying with or from this virus. Or, any of its variants. There has been only ONE suspected death from the Omicron variant in Australia(suspected!). It is good that the truth is finally starting to surface. And, the extent of all this hype is being exposed. Wonder how the media will spin this? Maybe they'll just start mandating "flu" vaccinations.A very positive take on what is happening. The author is not a physician or scientist. He is a journalist and author.
But he cites information and statistics from reputable sources.
Read the article. Comments?
With Omicron Dominant, COVID-19 Is Now Less Than ‘Just The Flu’
Thanks to the arrival of the Omicron variant, it's now accurate to say that COVID-19 is "just the flu" for the vast majority of the population.
Unfortunately, the good company men here don't care about the facts. They'll just rationalize the facts away. They only want to believe, that we must still vaccinate every man woman and child on the planet, to save ourselves from this manufactured viral apocalypse. Nothing else matters to them.
greggerypeccary
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Incorrect.
Shellandshilo1956
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Although you don't have a clue how long these natural antibodies DO last, and the fact that NOTHING is forever, it is not the most important aspect of our natural antibodies. Our natural antibodies don't care what variants these viruses can produce. They will respond to ANY part of the virus, NOT just its spike protein. The virus would have to mutate from a cat to a whale, to avoid detection from our natural antibodies. And, if the virus did change this radically, it could no longer function as a virus.
Shellandshilo1956
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Are you going to explain, or like the rest of you, just keep hiding behind denial? You keep making these denial claims, but never backing them up.
So what evidence can you posit, that would suggest that people should be worried about this Omicron variant? Why is this variant NOT like the simple flu??
Shellandshilo1956
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If you are talking about James Kondilios, the 23yo from Sydney yesterday, then YOU should be the one explaining!! How does a healthy DOUBLE-VACCINATED young man, DIE after being infected by Covid-19? And since the hospital will only say that he died WITH this virus(not because of it), we have no idea what he died from. Do you know?
Exactly how many 20yo have died in Australia(11)? And of these 20yo, how many have died because of some other underlying conditions?
Who cares how many people are infected! Those numbers are only to scare the ignorant and the gullible. I only care about how many people are recovering. And, how many people are dying from the complications of this disease. Since we can't STOP any virus from infecting anyone, these are the only variables that matter to me.
greggerypeccary
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Shellandshilo1956
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In other words, you you don't have a clue why I'm "incorrect". Surprise, surprise!
Then you even double-down by calling my comments a "false claim". Again, without any explanations or evidence. But the worst of this madness is, that you want me to present evidence to you, that you will accept as proof that you are wrong! I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Even when the WHO, the CDC, the NYT, and most of the internet, are saying that the Omicron variant is less-severe, than all the other variants. And, that the Omicron variant is almost indistinguishable from the common fucking cold. But lets not let the truth get in the way of a good belief/story, right?
Just go get your next new and improved genetic vaccine. It will now be effective against this new Omicron variant. Good sheeple!
In the future, if you're going to tell someone that he is wrong about something, at least have the common courtesy to tell him why!
@greggerypeccary @Shellandshilo1956 Don’t thank me too soon, Shell.
A careful reading of the article still makes the case for getting vaccinated. In the second paragraph, the author compares the death rate of VACCINATED 75 year olds from Covid to the rate of 75 year olds from the flu.
In the U.S. about one third of the population is not fully vaccinated, and about one quarter of the population is not vaccinated at all.
While our infection rate is spiking higher than ever before, our numbers of deaths are holding steady. This is a hopeful sign that Omicron really is less lethal than previous strains.
But the speed with which this latest variant is spreading means that many millions of people are going to get infected this year, including people among that one quarter to one third who are only partially vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. So ...
We might see our death numbers climb because of the sheer numbers of new infections. But if Omicron is weaker than previous strains, we may see the death RATE decline.
And yet the numbers of deaths also point out that this disease is still more dangerous than the flu. In past years our annual flu deaths have ranged from 20,000 to 50,000. At our present numbers of deaths from Covid, we’re looking at over half a million in 2022 unless they drop significantly.
When the numbers of Covid deaths match those of flu deaths in a typical year, then it would be safe to declare the two diseases to be equal in lethality.
All of the studies I’ve seen show that vaccinated people are less likely to die or need hospitalization if they get infected. The other thing we know is that Covid is much more dangerous to the elderly than it is to the young. This article I posted isn’t heavily stressing those points, but it is still making those points if you read it carefully.
What I see as hopeful in the article is the prospect that Omicron may turn out to be less deadly to all, vaccinated or not, and far less deadly to our vaccinated elderly.
The other hopeful aspect is how it relates to the future continuation of restrictions and mandates, but that need not be over explained. Anyone who is reading this understands that implication.
So that’s it for now. Seth
A careful reading of the article still makes the case for getting vaccinated. In the second paragraph, the author compares the death rate of VACCINATED 75 year olds from Covid to the rate of 75 year olds from the flu.
In the U.S. about one third of the population is not fully vaccinated, and about one quarter of the population is not vaccinated at all.
While our infection rate is spiking higher than ever before, our numbers of deaths are holding steady. This is a hopeful sign that Omicron really is less lethal than previous strains.
But the speed with which this latest variant is spreading means that many millions of people are going to get infected this year, including people among that one quarter to one third who are only partially vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. So ...
We might see our death numbers climb because of the sheer numbers of new infections. But if Omicron is weaker than previous strains, we may see the death RATE decline.
And yet the numbers of deaths also point out that this disease is still more dangerous than the flu. In past years our annual flu deaths have ranged from 20,000 to 50,000. At our present numbers of deaths from Covid, we’re looking at over half a million in 2022 unless they drop significantly.
When the numbers of Covid deaths match those of flu deaths in a typical year, then it would be safe to declare the two diseases to be equal in lethality.
All of the studies I’ve seen show that vaccinated people are less likely to die or need hospitalization if they get infected. The other thing we know is that Covid is much more dangerous to the elderly than it is to the young. This article I posted isn’t heavily stressing those points, but it is still making those points if you read it carefully.
What I see as hopeful in the article is the prospect that Omicron may turn out to be less deadly to all, vaccinated or not, and far less deadly to our vaccinated elderly.
The other hopeful aspect is how it relates to the future continuation of restrictions and mandates, but that need not be over explained. Anyone who is reading this understands that implication.
So that’s it for now. Seth
greggerypeccary
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No.
The onus is on you to prove your false claim.
You can't just say something and say it's true - that's not how the world works.