Covid-19 Revisit

Shellandshilo1956

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There certainly couldn't be any other reasons for this massive vaccine campaign, could there? Certainly, it wouldn't have anything to do with the largest merger deal between the American pharmaceutical company Pfizer, and the company Allegan($160B)? To become the world's largest drug company? Would it? Certainly nothing to do with the Australian government's future funds investments, would it? The Australian government has over $2B worth of shares in the pharmaceutical companies.

 

SethBullock

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Staff member
Why do you keep misrepresenting anything I say? I am NOT saying that hospitals, aged and home-care facilities, or every healthcare facility in the entire state is NOT being overwhelmed. I'm saying what is the point you are trying to make? What are you trying to say, by stating these facts?
What I am saying is that we cannot get back to normal under these conditions, and these conditions, bad as they are, are worsening. What I am saying is that we would not be in this situation if 100% of our population was vaccinated against this disease.



Since you keep denying every point that I claim you are making, then SO WHAT to whatever claim you ARE trying to make. That was the true context of my statement. What if a patient died in a hospital waiting room while waiting for an empty bed, because the beds were full of airline-crash victims. Or, full of victims from a massive car pile-up? Or, victims of Legionnaires disease from a convention? From a medical/treatment perspective, it will also be SO THE F**k WHAT! Any preventative measures are totally irrelevant.
In a mass casualty event like a plane crash, or an earthquake, or a hurricane - these are singular events that have a beginning and an ending. Patients are distributed between ERs and ICUs among area hospitals. The demand on medical services is high, but it is manageable and temporary.

This is not like that. The critical patients just keep coming and coming in greater numbers with no end in sight.

What we are seeing now is that the demand is overwhelming and it is getting worse and worse. In my state 95% of ICU beds are taken. My wife works for a hospital health system on the financial side. They are now asking for nurses who work in supervisory, management, and administrative positions to volunteer to work in patient care. The governor has called out the National Guard to help the hospitals. That state is asking for 300 nurses and 100 respiratory therapists from out-of-state to come to the state and work. The National Guard is being asked to set up field hospitals in some areas.

And the fact is that the overwhelming majority of these critical patients are unvaccinated.

It is absurd to suggest that I'm shaming unvaccinated people. It is just a fact.

What is the job of all ICU's and hospitals? To treat ALL sick and seriously ill people.
In any job, you cannot give too much work to too few people. When you do, some work cannot be done. Period. You may wish that hospitals could magically expand their workforce and their space to accommodate an increasingly overwhelming demand, but they cannot. That is simply not physically possible. That is not realistic. Think of an assembly line worker who has widgets come to him on an assembly line. His job is to apply a nut to a bolt. He is capable of doing 100 per hour. Now send him 300 widgets in an hour. He cannot do it. He cannot physically do it. It is not humanly impossible. This is why my state is begging for nurses and specialists from out-of-state. This is why soldiers are being sent to hospitals.

Regarding your fear-mongering and what ifs hypotheticals, your article says,

"..if someone gets in an accident or has a heart attack or need for acute care … they may not get the care in as timely of a fashion as normal,”.
When you need "acute care", you need it now. If you can't get it in a timely fashion, you can die. If your available staff and equipment are taken up with other patients, and they cannot physically get to you, you're out of luck.

NOT, that seriously ill people will NOT receive treatment, as you seem to be implying.
Some will receive it too late. It's already happening in some places. I just read about a Covid patient who died in an ER hallway because their were no ICUs available.

You are just fear-mongering, to guilt-shame people to become vaccinated with an artificial antigen. You want people to weaken their natural immune system, and destroy their primary defense-antibodies(over time). Just to bargain with the government, to get back the freedoms the freedoms they took away from us in the first place. You clearly have no idea of the power that we all have when we stand united.
I am not fear mongering. I am telling you what is happening.

Vaccination greatly reduces the need for infected people to be hospitalized and greatly reduces the death rate. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. It is a verifiable, quantifiable fact. To say that I am fear mongering is like saying that people saying you can get cancer from smoking are fear mongering. It's like saying that saying not wearing a seatbelt is more dangerous than wearing one is fear mongering. Things like those are not fear mongering; they are facts.

Look ... As an American, born and raised in this culture of a belief in individual freedoms, I am turned off by some of the oppressive government actions of Australia. I think that rather than focusing on arresting people who gather together or don't wear masks, the government would serve the people better by devoting its resources to mitigating the virus itself. They could get enough vaccine. They could set up vaccination centers. They could call upon the military to supervise and set up those centers.

But if you can succeed at scaring 40% of your people into not vaccinating, you are going to reap what you sow, and you are not going to get back to normal.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
What I am saying is that we cannot get back to normal under these conditions, and these conditions, bad as they are, are worsening. What I am saying is that we would not be in this situation if 100% of our population was vaccinated against this disease.

The only thing keeping us from getting back to normal, is the foot-in-mouth disease by the lunatics controlling the government. And, the total gullibility, ignorance, and apathy of the people. NOT THIS FLU-LIKE VIRUS! Is this really true about SF?


If 100% of the population were vaccinated(including those already naturally immune), the only thing would happen is,

the government would claim total credit for stopping this virus
the government would introduce more intrusive/security measures as a safeguard against any future occurrences(vaccination ID's, vaccination passports). "Your papers please!"
100% of the population would now have more vaccine-induced, specific antibodies for life. Antibodies that will be completely exclusive to the SARS-CoV-2 virus only.
100% of the population would now have fewer broad-spectrum anti-bodies able to fight against other viruses and their variants
the government's investments in its own future fund shares in these pharmaceutical companies, would triple its profits.
the virus would continue to mutate into other variants(4 so far), requiring more vaccines, to artificially produce more pathogen-specific antibodies. We've just created a new vaccine market.
that eventually we won't have enough broad-spectrum antibodies left to protect us from any new future pathogens, or their variants. This is the same problem we are having today with antibiotics to fight bacterial infections.

Look, I am not going down any more of these rabbit holes, that hospitals are being overwhelmed with unvaccinated people. Or, that critically ill people are dying in the waiting rooms. Or, that any of the 61 Oregon hospitals are turning people away in droves. ALL OF THIS IS IRRELEVANT. The job of any healthcare facility is to treat everyone they can. People are NOT in the ICU's BECAUSE THEY ARE UNVACCINATED OR VACCINATED! THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE OF A SERIOUS COMPLICATION! Even a vaccinated person in any of the risk groups may wind up in these ICU's.

You are just assuming that if the ICU's have an inordinate amount of unvaccinated Covid-19 patients, that it is only because they are unvaccinated. And, that that there would be fewer of them in ICU's, which would allow for more beds for those with other serious illnesses. And would generally lessen the entire load on the hospital. This faulty top-down(deductive) reasoning. If I was unvaccinated and sitting in the ICU, I might at the very least feel some sense of guilt. A healthy and natural immune system needs no vaccines to fight any virus or bacterium.

Then you double down with another guilt-shaming assumption about those unvaccinated. That if everyone were vaccinated(even those who are already naturally immune), that the government would allow everything to go back to normal. With all due respect, you must be joking. The government has already tasted its power over us. All that this has done is to make every country and city, try to one-up each other. Do you think a gambler will stop gambling once he wins?

It is absurd to suggest that I'm shaming unvaccinated people. It is just a fact.
You are correct. It IS a fact, that you are trying to use self-serving, selective, and out of context facts to guilt-shame unvaccinated people into polluting their bodies with artificially induced NON-broad-spectrum antibodies.

Some will receive it too late. It's already happening in some places. I just read about a Covid patient who died in an ER hallway because their were no ICUs available.
Now you are just changing the goal posts. This is not what you said or implied. And, I still don't know what this person died from. Other than being tested positive for Covid-19, I have no idea what he/she died from. The rest of article is focused only on peddling/pandering the same blame narrative about the dangers of hospitals being overwhelmed with unvaccinated covid-19 people. Just discriminatory and denigrating nonsense.


Vaccination greatly reduces the need for infected people to be hospitalized and greatly reduces the death rate. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. It is a verifiable, quantifiable fact. To say that I am fear mongering is like saying that people saying you can get cancer from smoking are fear mongering. It's like saying that saying not wearing a seatbelt is more dangerous than wearing one is fear mongering. Things like those are not fear mongering; they are facts.
The only thing that will greatly reduce an infected person from a visit to the hospital, is the health of their immune system. That's it! If you are vaccinated with an unhealthy or compromised immune system, you may still be visiting the hospital, or even die. This is also not an opinion, this is a fact!

Really? We can show a direct causal link between smoking and lung(and other organs) cancer. We can clearly show the physics of why wearing seat belts will prevent serious injuries in low-speed traffic accident. We can even show the direct causal link between drinking too much alcohol, and cirrhosis of the liver and tissue-dependent alcoholism. So yes, you can fear-monger away!

But to claim/imply/insinuate that if you are not vaccinated, you will either be hospitalized or dead, IS ABSOLUTELY FEAR-MONGERING! And, I suspect that the 16.3M unvaccinated recovered American might disagree with you. Remember 80% of those who have recovered from Covid-19, reported only mild to moderate symptoms. FACT!

But if you can succeed at scaring 40% of your people into not vaccinating, you are going to reap what you sow, and you are not going to get back to normal.
I'm not trying to scare anyone into NOT getting vaccinated. Like you, I'M JUST STATING THE FACTS. I hope to reap, that more and more people will keep a more healthy immune system for life. I hope that people will see only the facts, and not blinded by top-down logic, Hollywood hype, and selected half-truths.

It is easy to read an article, but much harder to understand it fully. Especially, if your background is not in biology or science. Hopefully, you at least took this away,

"Instead of delivering the antigen itself, the vaccines contain a genetic blueprint (or set of instructions) that tell the body to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein using the body's own cells.".

These vaccines don't even use a real virus for the antibodies to fight and remember. Not even a fragment/part of a real virus is used. They only use a genetic blueprint to trick the immune system to respond to an artificially created antigen.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use only a mRNA or an RNA blueprints respectively, to instruct the cells to make a viral antigen. The AstraZeneca vaccine uses a double-stranded DNA blueprint, that is carried into the cells by a cold virus. This cold virus is engineered NOT to replicate. More FACTS. And, people bitch about eating genetically modified fruit and veggies! Yet, they will gladly inject themselves with something that is specifically DESIGNED to cause a genetic change in their cells. Or, do you think that a NORMAL CELL HAS SPIKES ON ITS SURFACE? FACT!

Look ... As an American, born and raised in this culture of a belief in individual freedoms, I am turned off by some of the oppressive government actions of Australia. I think that rather than focusing on arresting people who gather together or don't wear masks, the government would serve the people better by devoting its resources to mitigating the virus itself. They could get enough vaccine. They could set up vaccination centers. They could call upon the military to supervise and set up those centers.
I was also born and raised in America. In the US, the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government to redress of grievances, is guaranteed by the Constitution, and cannot be abridged. There is no such guarantees here. The government controls you, because the sheep here will always choose to rationalize than to offer any push back.

Cops here are only good at catching fish in a barrel. Cops simply stopped everyone driving into Brisbane. If they didn't have a valid reason for being there, they were arrested if they refused to turn back. I would never have imagined, that in Australia, I would ever need a valid reason to enter a city.


People here are not only prevented by the police from peacefully assembling, but the people who use the internet to organize the assembly are being arrested. Cops are going into people's homes and fining them thousands for having too many people there. People are required to show proof of vaccinations in some areas. People are now restricted from leaving their state, unless they are working in the healthcare industry. We are NOT talking about being jailed for criminal violations, we are talking about being jailed for Health violations. In a country with less than 2% of the entire population even infected, after over a year and a half. With also less than 1% of the millions tested are testing positive. This is just insane fascism. And, the sheep here just do as they are told.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
The only thing keeping us from getting back to normal, is the foot-in-mouth disease by the lunatics controlling the government. And, the total gullibility, ignorance, and apathy of the people. NOT THIS FLU-LIKE VIRUS! Is this really true about SF?
I'm sure it is. In Oregon, the Governor has ordered that all teachers and all state employees get vaccinated. Some private employers are requiring their employees to get vaccinated.

If 100% of the population were vaccinated(including those already naturally immune), the only thing would happen is,

the government would claim total credit for stopping this virus
the government would introduce more intrusive/security measures as a safeguard against any future occurrences(vaccination ID's, vaccination passports). "Your papers please!"
100% of the population would now have more vaccine-induced, specific antibodies for life. Antibodies that will be completely exclusive to the SARS-CoV-2 virus only.
100% of the population would now have fewer broad-spectrum anti-bodies able to fight against other viruses and their variants
the government's investments in its own future fund shares in these pharmaceutical companies, would triple its profits.
the virus would continue to mutate into other variants(4 so far), requiring more vaccines, to artificially produce more pathogen-specific antibodies. We've just created a new vaccine market.
that eventually we won't have enough broad-spectrum antibodies left to protect us from any new future pathogens, or their variants. This is the same problem we are having today with antibiotics to fight bacterial infections.
What you left out is that our hospitalization rate and death rate would be cut by around 90-95%. For the vast majority of vaccinated people, getting Covid is a brief flu-like illness, like it was for me. And if everyone was vaccinated, we could just live with it and go back to normal. Of course, a few people would still get seriously sick or die from its complications, but that is true of the common flu too. We can deal with that.

Look, I am not going down any more of these rabbit holes, that hospitals are being overwhelmed with unvaccinated people. Or, that critically ill people are dying in the waiting rooms. Or, that any of the 61 Oregon hospitals are turning people away in droves. ALL OF THIS IS IRRELEVANT.
It's not a rabbit hole, although it may be an inconvenient fact. And if we ever want to get back to normal, it most certainly isn't irrelevant.

The job of any healthcare facility is to treat everyone they can. People are NOT in the ICU's BECAUSE THEY ARE UNVACCINATED OR VACCINATED! THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE OF A SERIOUS COMPLICATION! Even a vaccinated person in any of the risk groups may wind up in these ICU's.
Yes, but the overwhelming majority in the hospitals and ICUs are not vaccinated.

You are just assuming that if the ICU's have an inordinate amount of unvaccinated Covid-19 patients, that it is only because they are unvaccinated. And, that that there would be fewer of them in ICU's, which would allow for more beds for those with other serious illnesses. And would generally lessen the entire load on the hospital. This faulty top-down(deductive) reasoning. If I was unvaccinated and sitting in the ICU, I might at the very least feel some sense of guilt. A healthy and natural immune system needs no vaccines to fight any virus or bacterium.
Oh really? Then why vaccinate against anything?

Then you double down with another guilt-shaming assumption about those unvaccinated. That if everyone were vaccinated(even those who are already naturally immune), that the government would allow everything to go back to normal. With all due respect, you must be joking. The government has already tasted its power over us. All that this has done is to make every country and city, try to one-up each other. Do you think a gambler will stop gambling once he wins?
I think we would get back to normal. What politician or what President wouldn't love to walk up to the podium and say, "We won. Go back to normal."

Now you are just changing the goal posts. This is not what you said or implied. And, I still don't know what this person died from. Other than being tested positive for Covid-19, I have no idea what he/she died from. The rest of article is focused only on peddling/pandering the same blame narrative about the dangers of hospitals being overwhelmed with unvaccinated covid-19 people. Just discriminatory and denigrating nonsense.
No, we don't know specifically what that patient died from, but we do know that most people who die with Covid are dying because they can't breathe.

I have a feeling you're going to have to get used to this "nonsense" as you call it. Right now there is no indication that we're going to see a change in this pattern.

But to claim/imply/insinuate that if you are not vaccinated, you will either be hospitalized or dead, IS ABSOLUTELY FEAR-MONGERING! And, I suspect that the 16.3M unvaccinated recovered American might disagree with you. Remember 80% of those who have recovered from Covid-19, reported only mild to moderate symptoms. FACT!
I am not claiming/implying/insinuating that if you are not vaccinated, you will either be hospitalized or dead. You are correct that most people recover from Covid, vaccinated or not. So let's not put words in my mouth, thank you. What I am saying is that our health system is being overloaded to a point of crisis by mostly unvaccinated people. That is a fact, and as long as that remains a fact, we are not going to get back to normal. Bottom line right there.

I'm not trying to scare anyone into NOT getting vaccinated. Like you, I'M JUST STATING THE FACTS. I hope to reap, that more and more people will keep a more healthy immune system for life. I hope that people will see only the facts, and not blinded by top-down logic, Hollywood hype, and selected half-truths.
I know a few people who have chosen not to vaccinate, and they have told me their reasons. Those reasons boil down to fear and some pretty wild conspiracy theories.

I was also born and raised in America. In the US, the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government to redress of grievances, is guaranteed by the Constitution, and cannot be abridged. There is no such guarantees here. The government controls you, because the sheep here will always choose to rationalize than to offer any push back.

Cops here are only good at catching fish in a barrel. Cops simply stopped everyone driving into Brisbane. If they didn't have a valid reason for being there, they were arrested if they refused to turn back. I would never have imagined, that in Australia, I would ever need a valid reason to enter a city.


People here are not only prevented by the police from peacefully assembling, but the people who use the internet to organize the assembly are being arrested. Cops are going into people's homes and fining them thousands for having too many people there. People are required to show proof of vaccinations in some areas. People are now restricted from leaving their state, unless they are working in the healthcare industry. We are NOT talking about being jailed for criminal violations, we are talking about being jailed for Health violations. In a country with less than 2% of the entire population even infected, after over a year and a half. With also less than 1% of the millions tested are testing positive. This is just insane fascism. And, the sheep here just do as they are told.
Yes, I think Australia has a much more "European" attitude toward freedom than the U.S. I remember a few years ago when France banned women from wearing burkas. Now, I find that cultural tradition to be odius, but that could never happen in the U.S. I know that what you can and can't write or say in the UK is much more restrictive than in the U.S. As I know you know, there are very few restrictions on speech in the U.S., and the speech that is prohibited usually has to do with physical harm or deliberate crime, such as conspiracy to commit a crime, menacing, inciting a riot, yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, or creating or distributing child pornography. Aside from things like that, even the most noxious points of view may be expressed in the U.S.

In the U.S. the police cannot set up check points, stop you, and investigate your business. They may only stop you for an observed violation or known crime, but not simply because you are traveling. I am reasonably certain that if the government in the U.S. tried to impose the same restrictions that Australia imposes, there would be widespread non-cooperation and resistance. Though our two countries have much in common, this cultural difference is clear.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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I know a few people who have chosen not to vaccinate, and they have told me their reasons. Those reasons boil down to fear and some pretty wild conspiracy theories.
I have no idea what wild conspiracy theory you are talking about, or why people would be afraid. People have been getting vaccinated for decades. Except that we actually used real viruses to induce antibodies back then. Which made these antibodies effective against all variants of the virus.

If you mean learning the truth about how any man-made vaccine will affect the immune system, then yes, that wild conspiracy theory. These facts are not only easily verifiable and experimentally consistent, but they are intuitive, logical, and can be learned in any High School biology lab.

I think we would get back to normal. What politician or what President wouldn't love to walk up to the podium and say, "We won. Go back to normal."
I guess, one more government lie isn't going to matter much to all the good company men? But, since we've only eradicated just ONE viral disease(Smallpox) since the dawn of all mankind, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

What you left out is that our hospitalization rate and death rate would be cut by around 90-95%. For the vast majority of vaccinated people, getting Covid is a brief flu-like illness, like it was for me. And if everyone was vaccinated, we could just live with it and go back to normal. Of course, a few people would still get seriously sick or die from its complications, but that is true of the common flu too. We can deal with that.
No Seth. Whether you die or not depends ONLY on the health of your immune system. Nothing to do with whether you are vaccinated or not. A vaccinated 90yo battling pneumonia and type 2 diabetes, who is also infected with Covid-19, has very little chance of surviving. Remember, if you are in any of the high risk categories, your immune system is already compromised. Even if the vaccine-induced antibodies are fighting the specific virus, they will out-compete/block the other antibodies trying to fight the infections. Hence why you are treated with antibiotics. But these antibodies will also destroy tissues in the battle. Steroids are then used to stop/slow down the immune response. But this also means more tissue will be destroyed. It is always the infections that can eventually kill you, not the virus. Why do you think, a doctor would recommend to a patient not to be vaccinated? Think about it. You make it sound like, it is the vaccine itself that is minimizing the symptoms.

Simply saying that vaccinated people experience mild to moderate symptoms, is also another half-truth. This also depends on the health of their immune system. Healthy and unvaccinated people will also experience mild to moderate symptoms as well(80%). We can always ask the 16.3 unvaccinated recovered victims in the US.?

Oh really? Then why vaccinate against anything?
We vaccinate to artificially achieve the herd immunity imperative. Historical evidence, clearly show that this would happen regardless of anything we do. We also vaccinate to prime the immune system for those in the high risk categories. But, if you are under 50, with a relatively healthy immune system, there is absolutely no reason why you should induce your immune system to develop unnecessary, and pathogen-specific antibodies. NONE! Especially, since it has its own natural innate ones. Unfortunately, these vaccine-induced antigen-specific antibodies will be with you for life.

You really need to understand the relationship between a vaccine and a healthy immune system. It's not rocket science.


Maybe we should just artificially create an immune system with only vaccine-induced antigen-specific high-affinity antibodies. Oh, they would only compete/block each other out of the way, and any pathogen could easily circumvent the entire system. IMHO. So, maybe not a good idea.

No, we don't know specifically what that patient died from, but we do know that most people who die with Covid are dying because they can't breathe.
Then why mention the patient at all? And then mention that most Covid-19 patients die because they can't breathe? Did this patient die because he/she couldn't breathe? So why mention it? The patient could have died from an arrow in the head. All you do know is, that the patient had tested positive for Covid-19 and is now dead. The rest is just more of the same insinuations, to guilt-shame unvaccinated people to get vaccinated. Even for those who don't need them(recovered). Or, are you again just pointing out the facts again?

t's not a rabbit hole, although it may be an inconvenient fact. And if we ever want to get back to normal, it most certainly isn't irrelevant.
It is a rabbit hole because you keep avoiding the issues I've raised. You just to keep parroting your top-down self-serving logic. The same logic as, "I believe that God exists, because you can't prove that He doesn't". The only inconvenient fact here, is that you are really not interested in the facts. The highlighted words are just gibberish. I don't see the connection. What is "it", that "most certainly isn't relevant"?

Look, I get it. Wearing masks, distancing, fines and arrests, quarantines, ending jobs, isolating people and cities, border closures, ending major industries, mandatory security and locator apps to shop, restrictions on where you can and can't go or do, and even forcing you to get a vaccination that you don't need, have all failed during these last 19 months.

So I guess, just telling people about all those unvaccinated people taking up our extra ICU beds, causing hospitals to become overwhelmed, and are just in the way of everyone getting back to normal, was just you stating only the facts?

Your last two paragraphs I enjoyed reading. Those rights you mentioned are protected by the US Constitution. And interpreted by the Federal Supreme Court. We have no such protection here. Even voting is not a right. It is mandatory, and you could be fined for not voting. But it is the only realistic power we have over the government. And, the government tries to suppress even this with its police-bots, who will simply do whatever they are told. Although many would prefer to go catch real criminals, rather than to create a new cash cow, to fill the government's coffers with millions from Covid-19 fines.


I'm learning, that people just don't care. They are not interested in any facts that will challenge their own beliefs. They simply love the controversy, and siding with the government's manufactured hysterics. It is this insecurity, apathy, ignorance, and indifference that has surprised me the most. My heart goes out to all those whose dreams ended because of this government-induced viral apocalypse. The answer to the problem is simple. Let your representative know, that

we can't completely defeat a virus that has been around for 55M years.
we can't just vaccinate people for every strain and every variant of every virus and bacterium.
we can't just destroy our own economy, suspend all civil liberties, isolate our own country, and end the hopes and dreams of our own society. All because of a relatively non-lethal flu-like virus.


every vaccine will reduce the effectiveness of our normal immune antibodies.
over 98% of those infected recover. And those who didn't, had other chronic health issues.
with only 16K cases in Australia, this means that 99.94 Australians are not even infected.
they will be voted out in the next election because of their stupidity and incompetency.
people need jobs and businesses to survive. That these restrictions are causing unnecessary hardships for the average Australians and their families(our political leaders are not effected).
lives may be more important than money. But try living without any.

If only 10% of the population would do this, then this madness would end. At the end of the day, these immature maladroit overpaid doofuses care more about their jobs, than they do about their actions.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
That statement is not supported by the statistics we’re seeing.
My statement is a statement of fact. Whether you live or die depends entirely on the health of your immune system. Or, do you think that a vaccine is the "spinach" for our immune system?

How many Covid-19 victims have died because of a healthy immune system? And, how many have died because their immune system was aged, compromised, weakened, or just unhealthy?

Why is it that over 80% of all Covid-19 victims infected, are under 40? Yet, over 80% of all Covid-19 deaths are from those victims over 70yo? Or, from those victims who have an already compromised immune system. Or, from those who are battling some other chronic illnesses? All just coincidences, right?

If people choose to sacrifice the health of their own immune system just to be politically correct, or to show just how compliant they are, then that is their business. If people choose to become the government's "organ monkey" and choose to bargain for their liberties, then again that is their business. I choose not to be a part of this manufactured virus madness, and to fight for mine. These bastards are out!

Think about it. Why would any government destroy their own country and society, just to fight against an illness that has afflicted less than 1% of the country? A disease where over 98% of the victims recover anyway? I bet that there are very few Australians who even know anyone who is still suffering from Covid-19. Let alone anyone who has died from it.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
The citizens in countries ruled by dictators and autocrats, do not have much of a voice(just like in Australia). The entire premise of a dictatorship is that one person is calling all of the shots for a whole country(just like in Australia). If the dictator tells the people to vaccinate their own children with a designer vaccine, that will over time compromise their immune system, then the people will do it(just like in Australia). If the dictator tells the people where they can go, and what they can and can't do, then the people will do it(just like in Australia).

But from the outside looking in, life within a dictatorship is like being in a toxic relationship or a really bad living situation. But of course, this is NOT how everyone sees the inner workings of a dictatorship. For example, in N. Korea, it is this system of government that is all that the citizens only know. They have never experienced anything else. So living under a dictatorship is not so jarring or shocking to them.

Dictatorships ONLY seem extreme, immoral, and unethical to the people who do NOT live under them. So, not only is this outside perspective stunt totally irrelevant, but it can be very dangerous for the people involved in this stunt. I'm sure Black Americans understand the White dictatorship they lived under, before and after the reconstruction era. Or, the dictatorship Aboriginals understood in Tasmania, and during the "stolen generations" in Australia.

Maybe we should put in prison for a few weeks, all the people who complain that the prisons are too soft. And also leave them there to fend for themselves? I'm sure that this would get very high ratings.

Again, what would this prove? These people don't live there. These people don't speak the language, or understand the culture and customs. And, these people can always go back home.

Just another opportunistic capitalist vulture, ceasing an opportunity to profit off the flavor of the year. And, another opportunity for the government to spread more disinformation to shame/demonize anyone who challenges their authority.
 

SethBullock

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Staff member
A conservative Florida radio host who was dead-set against taking a coronavirus vaccine is now dead.

Marc Bernier died Saturday of COVID-19 after a three-week battle, his bereft radio station announced.

He was 65.

“It’s with great sadness that WNDB and Southern Stone Communications announce the passing of Marc Bernier, who informed and entertained listeners on WNDB for over 30 years,” WNDB radio’s News Daytona Beach announced Saturday. “We kindly ask that privacy is given to Marc’s family during this time of grief.”

Bernier had been afflicted three weeks earlier after hosting radio talk shows in Daytona Beach for 30 years, and after dubbing himself “Mr. Anti-Vax.” He also said the U.S. government was “acting like Nazis” for insisting people get the shot.

That airtime included a morning comment, three-hour afternoon show, and weekend shows and specials. Longtime radio show guest and Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood was gutted after learning that the host had died sometime after 6 p.m. on Saturday.

“I’m numb,” Chitwood told The Daytona Beach News-Journal. “To me, this is a death in the family.”

Bernier’s death was the third this month among conservative talk show hosts outspoken against the coronavirus vaccine.

Leader of anti-mask movement in Texas dies of COVID

He was preceded eight days earlier by Phil Valentine, a 61-year-old conservative talk radio host in Tennessee who mocked coronavirus vaccines but changed his tone after getting sick. He battled the disease for a month.

Also having a change of heart was Dick Farrel, a former Newsmax commentator and vaccine-resistant right-wing radio talk show host. The South Florida radio host died of COVID-19 complications on Aug. 6, at age 65, after exhorting fans not to get the vaccine, calling the entire coronavirus crisis a “scam-demic.”

Both Farrel and Valentine urged friends and followers to get the vaccine as the disease closed in on them and said they regretted not doing it themselves.

Bernier, speaking to a guest about a week after the Pfizer jab was approved for emergency use in December, was adamantly against it, though it wasn’t clear how he felt at the end.

“Are you kidding me? Mr. Anti-Vax? Jeepers,” Bernier said in answer to the question of whether he would take the shot. “I’m not taking it.”



Theresa Braine of the New York Daily News wrote this story.



©2021 New York Daily News. Visit at
nydailynews.com. Distributed by Tribune Content Agency, LLC.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
A conservative Florida radio host who was dead-set against taking a coronavirus vaccine is now dead.

Marc Bernier died Saturday of COVID-19 after a three-week battle, his bereft radio station announced.

He was 65.

“It’s with great sadness that WNDB and Southern Stone Communications announce the passing of Marc Bernier, who informed and entertained listeners on WNDB for over 30 years,” WNDB radio’s News Daytona Beach announced Saturday. “We kindly ask that privacy is given to Marc’s family during this time of grief.”

Bernier had been afflicted three weeks earlier after hosting radio talk shows in Daytona Beach for 30 years, and after dubbing himself “Mr. Anti-Vax.” He also said the U.S. government was “acting like Nazis” for insisting people get the shot.

That airtime included a morning comment, three-hour afternoon show, and weekend shows and specials. Longtime radio show guest and Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood was gutted after learning that the host had died sometime after 6 p.m. on Saturday.

“I’m numb,” Chitwood told The Daytona Beach News-Journal. “To me, this is a death in the family.”

Bernier’s death was the third this month among conservative talk show hosts outspoken against the coronavirus vaccine.

Leader of anti-mask movement in Texas dies of COVID

He was preceded eight days earlier by Phil Valentine, a 61-year-old conservative talk radio host in Tennessee who mocked coronavirus vaccines but changed his tone after getting sick. He battled the disease for a month.

Also having a change of heart was Dick Farrel, a former Newsmax commentator and vaccine-resistant right-wing radio talk show host. The South Florida radio host died of COVID-19 complications on Aug. 6, at age 65, after exhorting fans not to get the vaccine, calling the entire coronavirus crisis a “scam-demic.”

Both Farrel and Valentine urged friends and followers to get the vaccine as the disease closed in on them and said they regretted not doing it themselves.

Bernier, speaking to a guest about a week after the Pfizer jab was approved for emergency use in December, was adamantly against it, though it wasn’t clear how he felt at the end.

“Are you kidding me? Mr. Anti-Vax? Jeepers,” Bernier said in answer to the question of whether he would take the shot. “I’m not taking it.”



Theresa Braine of the New York Daily News wrote this story.



©2021 New York Daily News. Visit at
nydailynews.com. Distributed by Tribune Content Agency, LLC.

Look Seth, I'm sure that you are not implying, or insinuating, that NOT being vaccinated will amount to a death sentence if you are infected. Especially, since millions of people HAVE and DO survive without being vaccinated.

I'm sure that you are not saying or insinuating, that the right to choose what goes into your body, should not become the right of the government. I'm sure that you believe that people should not be forced, or shamed into doing something that they know is wrong, and will be destructive to their own health.

I don't know what Marc's overall health condition was, prior to being infected. What were some of the other complications(the media tends to be biased in that way)? But, he was in the high risk group at 65yo.

Look, I don't shame, or force people NOT to get vaccinated. So why should people do that to me? I choose not to be vaccinated, because I know what the vaccine is, and what it does. I choose NOT to genetically alter my muscle cells to start producing spikes on their outer membrane. Just to trick my immune system into believing that these healthy cells are now a pathogen. And to start producing high-affinity, non-broad-spectrum antibodies to destroy them. These target-specific antibodies will also out-compete with my normal antibodies, and be with me for the rest of my life. Thus making me LESS immune to all other variants and all other pathogens. And people are fearful of GM foods?

I don't think that any rational person believes that the coronavirus is just a scam. Clearly, people are being infected and dying from the complications of this disease. But all the disinformation, misinformation, omissions, politicizing, fear-mongering, and biased half-truths, could certainly be considered as "unfair and unbalanced". It really is akin to the Fascist policies of Nazi Germany. Who definitely WOULD "insist" that all their citizens have this shots!!

I would have a shot myself, if the shot had at least some part or version of a real live attenuated virus in it(chickenpox, measles, mumps and rubella, rotavirus, and shingles vaccine viruses. Or, a live weakened tuberculosis bacteria). I'd even settle for an inactive or dead viral vaccine(Hepatitis A, influenza and polio vaccines). None of these genetically altering vaccines have any real viruses at all. So, no thanks for me. I'll let my natural immune system, use it naturally produced antibodies, to do what it has been doing since the dawn of all man.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
A conservative Florida radio host who was dead-set against taking a coronavirus vaccine is now dead.

Marc Bernier died Saturday of COVID-19 after a three-week battle, his bereft radio station announced.

He was 65.

“It’s with great sadness that WNDB and Southern Stone Communications announce the passing of Marc Bernier, who informed and entertained listeners on WNDB for over 30 years,” WNDB radio’s News Daytona Beach announced Saturday. “We kindly ask that privacy is given to Marc’s family during this time of grief.”

Bernier had been afflicted three weeks earlier after hosting radio talk shows in Daytona Beach for 30 years, and after dubbing himself “Mr. Anti-Vax.” He also said the U.S. government was “acting like Nazis” for insisting people get the shot.

That airtime included a morning comment, three-hour afternoon show, and weekend shows and specials. Longtime radio show guest and Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood was gutted after learning that the host had died sometime after 6 p.m. on Saturday.

“I’m numb,” Chitwood told The Daytona Beach News-Journal. “To me, this is a death in the family.”

Bernier’s death was the third this month among conservative talk show hosts outspoken against the coronavirus vaccine.

Leader of anti-mask movement in Texas dies of COVID

He was preceded eight days earlier by Phil Valentine, a 61-year-old conservative talk radio host in Tennessee who mocked coronavirus vaccines but changed his tone after getting sick. He battled the disease for a month.

Also having a change of heart was Dick Farrel, a former Newsmax commentator and vaccine-resistant right-wing radio talk show host. The South Florida radio host died of COVID-19 complications on Aug. 6, at age 65, after exhorting fans not to get the vaccine, calling the entire coronavirus crisis a “scam-demic.”

Both Farrel and Valentine urged friends and followers to get the vaccine as the disease closed in on them and said they regretted not doing it themselves.

Bernier, speaking to a guest about a week after the Pfizer jab was approved for emergency use in December, was adamantly against it, though it wasn’t clear how he felt at the end.

“Are you kidding me? Mr. Anti-Vax? Jeepers,” Bernier said in answer to the question of whether he would take the shot. “I’m not taking it.”



Theresa Braine of the New York Daily News wrote this story.



©2021 New York Daily News. Visit at
nydailynews.com. Distributed by Tribune Content Agency, LLC.
Dropping like flies.

Countless anti-vaxxers and Covid-19 hoax believers dying from the virus
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
Pretty sad to read that link, Greg. “Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain” and unfortunately social and broadcast media allow stupid people to get others to act stupid as well. People like conspiracy theories to add color to their life but he delta variant kills the unvaxxed.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Look Seth, I'm sure that you are not implying, or insinuating, that NOT being vaccinated will amount to a death sentence if you are infected. Especially, since millions of people HAVE and DO survive without being vaccinated.

I'm sure that you are not saying or insinuating, that the right to choose what goes into your body, should not become the right of the government. I'm sure that you believe that people should not be forced, or shamed into doing something that they know is wrong, and will be destructive to their own health.

I don't know what Marc's overall health condition was, prior to being infected. What were some of the other complications(the media tends to be biased in that way)? But, he was in the high risk group at 65yo.

Look, I don't shame, or force people NOT to get vaccinated. So why should people do that to me? I choose not to be vaccinated, because I know what the vaccine is, and what it does. I choose NOT to genetically alter my muscle cells to start producing spikes on their outer membrane. Just to trick my immune system into believing that these healthy cells are now a pathogen. And to start producing high-affinity, non-broad-spectrum antibodies to destroy them. These target-specific antibodies will also out-compete with my normal antibodies, and be with me for the rest of my life. Thus making me LESS immune to all other variants and all other pathogens. And people are fearful of GM foods?

I don't think that any rational person believes that the coronavirus is just a scam. Clearly, people are being infected and dying from the complications of this disease. But all the disinformation, misinformation, omissions, politicizing, fear-mongering, and biased half-truths, could certainly be considered as "unfair and unbalanced". It really is akin to the Fascist policies of Nazi Germany. Who definitely WOULD "insist" that all their citizens have this shots!!

I would have a shot myself, if the shot had at least some part or version of a real live attenuated virus in it(chickenpox, measles, mumps and rubella, rotavirus, and shingles vaccine viruses. Or, a live weakened tuberculosis bacteria). I'd even settle for an inactive or dead viral vaccine(Hepatitis A, influenza and polio vaccines). None of these genetically altering vaccines have any real viruses at all. So, no thanks for me. I'll let my natural immune system, use it naturally produced antibodies, to do what it has been doing since the dawn of all man.
I'm going to be honest, Shell.

Based upon our discussions on law enforcement, I believe you're older than I am. It sounds like you were in LE when I was in middle school. You might be a good ten years older than I am, and I'm 66.

I've got news for ya. No matter what you might think, your immune system is not as robust at your age as it was when you were younger. Here's another bit of news. Most likely you are going to get infected with Covid sooner or later.

Get the shots.

I was fully vaccinated when I got Covid. I had one day of chills and fever. For the next few days it was like having a sinus cold that was getting better day by day. All symptoms were totally gone by Day 6, and I couldn't even tell I had been sick.

At our age, this is a risk/reward calculation.

Get the shots. When you get infected, you won't regret that decision.
 
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