Covid-19 Revisit

greggerypeccary

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More national paranoia from the same indifferent, apathetic, and ignorant sheep. Three people in Queensland are infected with a lesser strain of Covid-19, and everyone in Queensland must go on lockdown as a precaution? It doesn't matter if these 3 people are in quarantine for 2 weeks. Or, that this is a weaker strain of the virus. Or, that all three will recover. Or, that it would take over 200 years for 3 people to infect the 5 million people in Queensland. And, the fact that we have never had more than 1/10th of 1% of our population even infected for the last year and a half.

But, I guess if a small group of morons in power, can force 5.1M people to wear masks(that are technically/verifiably useless), keep 5.1M people 2 meters apart(impossible), and control the patronage of all businesses(Communism), then that is a political currency that these morons will never give up. So now all businesses, jobs, industries, and the freedoms of 26M Australian citizens, will now be dependent on someone catching this virus. This is insanity and an abuse of power.

I guess if 5.1M people could believe, that if the original strain of Covid-19 was going to kill everyone in Australia(impossible), then they could certainly believe that this weaker strain could also kill everyone as well. I guess the body's natural defenses, vaccinations, and all the statistics, are irrelevant. I guess that the 5,000 businesses expected to become insolvent in the next three months are also irrelevant. We are destroying more lives now than the virus ever could!

I just keep wondering, just what would it take for the population to wake up and start pushing back? Just how much of your dignity, personal freedoms, and life's goals are you willing to sacrifice, because a few people are infected with a flu-like virus? Australians are better than this!! Vote these powermad fuckers out, and tell them so! I will definitely vote everyone of these simple minded egotists OUT! This is NOT a national medical crisis(on paper). Obesity, smoking, and alcohol abuse related illnesses, are all a true national medical crisis. And, are all medically preventable. If we just tell them that they will be voted out of office, all this bullshit will end!! And, we will begin hearing a new spin on this nonsense.
I pray you find professional help.
 

johnsmith

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i was hoping she'd call a lock down. Rather get it over and done with before it gets to much. I'm supposed to go on holidays next week and I want it sorted by then
 

HBS Guy

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Even if a local lockdown. She should complete her proper quarantine centers too!
 

Texan

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I haven't missed a day of work since covid started (except for when quarantining during illness) and 2021 is looking to be my most profitable year ever. I'm on pace to make $10k more than I ever have for a year. 2020 was also a record year for me. People refusing to work has given me more work and more money. My vulnerable family members are all safe and all now vaccinated if they want to be.

I have known 3 people who have died from covid. Two were morbidly obese with diabetes and the 3rd lived 10 years on a heart transplant. Most of the world is being abused with the loss of their right to live their lives and take their own risks.
 

johnsmith

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I haven't missed a day of work since covid started (except for when quarantining during illness) and 2021 is looking to be my most profitable year ever.

Apart from businesses that cater to international tourists, business here has been booming......everyone is struggling to keep up with demand. BE they tradesmen, fast food joints, cafe's, car yards, shops and restaurants. Our economy is one of the few to have grown during covid.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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I haven't missed a day of work since covid started (except for when quarantining during illness) and 2021 is looking to be my most profitable year ever. I'm on pace to make $10k more than I ever have for a year. 2020 was also a record year for me. People refusing to work has given me more work and more money. My vulnerable family members are all safe and all now vaccinated if they want to be.

I have known 3 people who have died from covid. Two were morbidly obese with diabetes and the 3rd lived 10 years on a heart transplant. Most of the world is being abused with the loss of their right to live their lives and take their own risks.
It has always amazed me just how easily the majority of people can be manipulated to believe whatever they are told. If they are told that this virus, if left unchecked, will kill everyone, THEY WILL BELIEVE IT! If they are told that millions of people have died worldwide DIRECTLY from this virus, THEY WILL ACCEPT THIS AS GOSPEL! And, if they are told they must do whatever they are told to avoid a potential disaster(whatever that means), THEY WILL OBEY AND DEFEND!

Of course the children in power will leave out the fine details, while spewing out their half-truths and omissions. Can you imagine if you had the power to control the behavior of the masses with a little hype and fear mongering? As long as the masses are lazy, indifferent, apathetic, and ignorant, they will do and believe whatever they are told. So, when they say, "Look what's happening overseas? Millions of people are dying from this virus, so we must take away your choice, and act in your own best interest.", so YOU JUST GIVE AWAY YOUR FREEDOM OF CHOICE WITHOUT QUESTION?

Many people are now looking at the facts alone, and ignoring all the sensationalized half-truths, hype and fear mongering. I guess it doesn't matter anymore if the entire population has been vaccinated, have developed immunity naturally, downloaded locator apps, or are already quarantined. Does it? JUST LOCK IT DOWN, BECAUSE WE CAN. AND YOU ARE ALL TOO COMPLACENT TO CARE! Of course the rules don't apply to these policy makers. They can still go to Europe, or anywhere else with the right spin. And you can't, Ha Ha idiots! They must all be having a great laugh at our expense. I guess lockdowns are just for their own shits and giggles.

People are rightly questioning why any illness with a 99.7% recovery rate(100% if you are young and healthy), that has infected only 1/10th of 1% of the entire population(0.003% have died), should ever warrant a national lockdown, business closures, and the suspension of civil liberties? Since people who simply ask these basic questions are being ostracized and ridiculed, the government can continue pursuing its own self-interests and not that of the people. What's next, forced vaccinations, forced locator apps downloads, enforced compliance, curfews, forced random blood testing, overseas enforcement thugs, quarantine camps(oops, already being built), and more higher fines and longer imprisonment?

By any rational standards, it is insanity that an entire country should go into lockdown(maybe war or a natural disaster), wear useless masks(we laughed at the Japanese wearing masks and ME women covering their faces), keep meters apart from each others(impossible), destroy jobs and industries, and suspend our basic personal liberties. Our entire economic and domestic protocols, are now dependent on if a few people are tested positive for Covid-19(and a weaker strain at that). Not only are all these preventative methods impractical, unenforceable, and impossible to monitor or maintain, THEY DON'T WORK AS WELL!

Do you know what the mortality rate is in the US(1.7%)? Or how many people have already recovered, https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/coronavirus-recovered? Do you know what the recovery rate is for those without pre-existing illnesses or don't have an already compromised immune system? Almost 100%! Did you know that most healthy people have very mild symptom, and are unaware that they are even infected?

In Australia, the facts are even worse. Fifty times more people have died from obesity-related illnesses(over 50,000 p/y) than from the complications from Covid-19. And, NO, it is not always their choice to become fat!! I don't see the government shutting down the fast food industries. I don't see the government placing heavy restrictions on the sale and distribution of alcohol and tobacco either. Data alone more than suggest that these industries have a lot to answer for.

I know this is harsh. But you can't protect a nation of people from a microorganism that is not alive, can't be killed, and is smaller than the wavelength of light. All you can do is treat the illness and provide the information. The rest is placebo for the ignorant, and new back-door mandates for the government. I really wish more Australians were as enlightened as this guy from the Informed Medical Options Party. Or, at least can support their claims based only on the facts.

 

Shellandshilo1956

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Apart from businesses that cater to international tourists, business here has been booming......everyone is struggling to keep up with demand. BE they tradesmen, fast food joints, cafe's, car yards, shops and restaurants. Our economy is one of the few to have grown during covid.

Businesses here are booming? Economic growth during this crisis?


Maybe you could provide some objective evidence. Unless, this is just your personal opinion.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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Contrary to what you might find on utube, over the last 12 months the economy grew by 1.1% above pre-pandemic levels.

Is that objective enough for you?
No John. It is again only the half-truth. So, I am not disagreeing with you. But the devil is always in the details. I just didn't know how thousands of business closures, a million on jobseeker allowance, increase in unemployment, closure of our internal and external borders, and limiting the number of patrons to businesses, could possible contribute to a booming economy. These are all adverse and harmful factors to a growing economy. But then I actually read the internet site you didn't reference. I now understand why.


People are now being forced to spend from their savings, their investments and businesses, their stimulus relief fundings, and their household funds. Add the private and public sector investment spendings, and yes a 1.1%-1.8% increase in GNP. Of course household and personal savings have declined. What do you think will happen once private savings are gone, and the borrowing begins? How long do you think Australia can keep its borders closed down, and still maintain economic growth? Indefinitely? I guess none of this will affect the rich.
 

johnsmith

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thousands of business shut their door EVERY year, lockdown or not. That's why it's called 'business' and not 'the lottery'.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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thousands of business shut their door EVERY year, lockdown or not. That's why it's called 'business' and not 'the lottery'.
True, thousands of businesses do go insolvent all the time. But clearly those are not the businesses we are talking about, right? We are talking about the businesses that go belly up, because of Covid-19 government restrictions. These restrictions limit the number of patrons to businesses, which may force owners to lay-off staff, or cut hours. These restrictions limit the number of tourist, border travel, which will directly impact on the hospitality, tourists, and travel industries. This is not rocket science. Do you think that we can lockdown Australia indefinitely? Other than the political leaders and the economic elites, do you think the rest of us have unlimited disposable incomes?

Also, if there are more people on the dole, it means less productivity for the economy. As I have said before, the longer this government keep the lockdowns going, the more personal savings will be lost. When this happens, unemployment will rise, consumer spending will nose-dive, small businesses will close their doors, and Australia will have a worse recession(and possible depression) than America.

I think the odds of having a successful business is not as great as the odds of winning the lottery. So, I don't get the analogy. But having government interference certainly doesn't help.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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rubbish ... i run several sucessful businesses over 20 odd years.... I've never won the lottery
I said, that the odds of having/running a successful business is NOT as great as the odds of winning a lottery. This means that the odds of you winning the lottery is much greater than you running a business. Your NEVER winning the lottery ONLY confirms this. Not disputes this.

You then responded that this is rubbish. And then went on to completely agree with me. By saying, "i run several sucessful businesses over 20 odd years.... I've never won the lottery.".

The only thing worse than your poor comprehension and the misinterpretation of my comments, is that someone else actually liked it.
 
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