Covid 19 is profiling conservatives ... More people died in Alabama during 2020 than were born as Covid-19 deaths continue rising in the US

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Shellandshilo1956

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Just an interesting observation.

You, like our “woke” progressive liberals in the present era, with little provocation and dubious evidence, are quick to infer, imply, or accuse others of racism.

And yet, it is those same liberals who like to smugly assert that most unvaccinated people are uneducated, unsophisticated, conservative Trump cultists.

Not looking for an argument here. It’s just an observation.
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Unfortunately, your observations are, as expected, only biased and self-serving.

"Woke" was originally used by Black activists during the rise of groups like BLM. It was a term to signify a consciousness/awareness around racial issues in America. This term has now become weaponized, and used as a new strategy by conservatives and republicans, as a pejorative for attacking liberals. These conservatives use the vagueness of "woke" to include and spotlight, any progressive liberals who believe that White Privilege exists, or that Blacks should get reparations.

These conservatives also use "cancel culture", to highlight other extreme liberal idea about identity and race. Conservative claim that races now have too much power, and can publicly shame those who don’t agree with them. Sometimes leading to some being removed from their jobs, or having their speaking invitations withdrawn. Just another right-wing fear-mongering strategy to confuse, create fear, distort, and get more votes. The last thing that Republican conservatives want is social/racial equality, income and tax equality, social change, equal opportunities, equal justice, or more government intervention and new programs for the poor.

It amazes me all the new meaningless deepities that we create. These terms can sound so profound, but in reality, are absolutely meaningless. The rationale is, that if you say ANYTHING enough times, it will become truth by popular consensus!

You can frame/rationalize your biased and loaded comments any way you want! But, if someone walks like a racists, talks like a racists, and acts like a racists, then they are a racist. And, to say that they aren't, is just another racists in denial. Even the KKK, and most White supremist groups, will never openly claim to be racists(for legal and social reasons). But they still are!!!

Anyway, this is MY interpretation of MY observations. I'm not looking for an argument. Because there IS NONE!!!
 

chris155au

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@Shellandshilo1956

Just an interesting observation.

You, like our “woke” progressive liberals in the present era, with little provocation and dubious evidence, are quick to infer, imply, or accuse others of racism.

And yet, it is those same liberals who like to smugly assert that most unvaccinated people are uneducated, unsophisticated, conservative Trump cultists.

Not looking for an argument here. It’s just an observation.
I think that @Shellandshilo1956 differs quite a bit from
the average "woke" progressive types such as AOC.
 

chris155au

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I used the exact same link that Squire posted. I just added one more.
@Squire posted neither the KFF link or the Forbes link,
but rather the one CNN link. You're confused.

I also agree that any minority would be "LESS LIKELY", to inject anything into their arm. Especially, when they are being coerced, and pressured to do so. Maybe they are not blinded by all the media hype, and very little substance. Maybe, minorities just don't understand why they should voluntarily inject themselves with a vaccine, to create a disease, that the body may have to fight again later. Maybe just NOT HAVING THE DISEASE IS ENOUGH!!
Alright, but there's no reason why all of this couldn't also apply to white conservatives who are vaccine hesitant. I will say that some black people may have the additional reason of being spooked by thoughts of the unbelievably evil 'Tuskegee Experiment', which is totally understandable. And is there evidence that the COVID vaccines could "create a disease?"

It takes a lot for me to accuse someone of anything. But in your case, very little!!!!
I'm not a racist, so try your best not to continue to stoop to that disgusting level of accusing me of being one. It REEKS of desperation and shows that you have no argument.

Again, this is how people spread misinformation. The numbers in this category are only based on incident and arrest reports. The numbers only indicate the number of suspects CITED or CHARGED with a crime in this category. The numbers do NOT indicate the number of suspects who have COMMITTED a crime in this category!!! You are just making another bigoted assumption.
Alright, I should have said arrests. So then if arrests don't count,
then lets not use this FBI arrest data.

So what! I don't care how many colors you make the question mark. I'm asking you to explain the question you raised. Why would you even ask this question?
My goodness. You're really making me do this aren't you. Alright: I asked @Squire if they think that 60% of black people are uneducated. It was a rhetorical question, asked to @Squire, who said that unvaccinated people are dumb. The problem for @Squire is, in denigrating unvaccinated people as dumb, they are calling the majority of black America dumb because they are unvaccinated - 60% or something. If you STILL cannot understand why I ask that question, then I can't help you, but it's really not important. Here's a subtle hint though: I DON'T THINK THAT UNVACCINATED PEOPLE ARE DUMB SIMPLY FOR NOT GETTING VACCINATED! WHITE OR BLACK!

What is the link between the percentage of Blacks refusing to be vaccinated, and their level of education?
There is no link that I'm aware of. However, you should ask @Squire what the link is between unvaccinated people and refusing to be vaccinated, and their level of education.

Look, I think that any rational thinking human being with a heartbeat, should be vaccine hesitant. The issue is not about the numbers, the races, the politics, the gender, etc.. The issue is why should anyone NOT be vaccine hesitant? If your argument is that they should be FORCED to be vaccinated, then the issue is about mandates. If your argument is to to shame other races into being vaccinated, then you are an ignorant bigot. If your argument is to justify why everyone should be vaccinated, then make your argument. Otherwise, who give a fuck what these races choose to do, or how many do it? It is their choice!!
Exactly!

It was a simple question. Clearly you don't know the answer. What is this fixation you have with Black people?
Well I haven't done alot of research into it. However, according your OWN source's research, black people are the least vaccinated race, and hispanics are the second least vaccinated race. Simple!

Biden is NOT Black!!
WOW. WHAT an error! I said:

"Obama: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/barack-obama-black-americans-covid-vaccine-b1799982.html"
 

Squire

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My latter observation is supported by .... you.
Seth Bullock is evidently running on empty.

It's time for Seth and Chrisa155au to be formally introduced so they can engage in vigorous debates with each other citing each other as sources for their information.
 

SethBullock

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Unfortunately, your observations are, as expected, only biased and self-serving.

"Woke" was originally used by Black activists during the rise of groups like BLM. It was a term to signify a consciousness/awareness around racial issues in America. This term has now become weaponized, and used as a new strategy by conservatives and republicans, as a pejorative for attacking liberals. These conservatives use the vagueness of "woke" to include and spotlight, any progressive liberals who believe that White Privilege exists, or that Blacks should get reparations.

These conservatives also use "cancel culture", to highlight other extreme liberal idea about identity and race. Conservative claim that races now have too much power, and can publicly shame those who don’t agree with them. Sometimes leading to some being removed from their jobs, or having their speaking invitations withdrawn. Just another right-wing fear-mongering strategy to confuse, create fear, distort, and get more votes. The last thing that Republican conservatives want is social/racial equality, income and tax equality, social change, equal opportunities, equal justice, or more government intervention and new programs for the poor.

It amazes me all the new meaningless deepities that we create. These terms can sound so profound, but in reality, are absolutely meaningless. The rationale is, that if you say ANYTHING enough times, it will become truth by popular consensus!

You can frame/rationalize your biased and loaded comments any way you want! But, if someone walks like a racists, talks like a racists, and acts like a racists, then they are a racist. And, to say that they aren't, is just another racists in denial. Even the KKK, and most White supremist groups, will never openly claim to be racists(for legal and social reasons). But they still are!!!

Anyway, this is MY interpretation of MY observations. I'm not looking for an argument. Because there IS NONE!!!
Don't be offended. It's just an observation that liberals in this country wouldn't know what to do with you, lol.

I am an Independent who holds views that are all over the map, so I can identify with that, and I can spot it in others.

It's all good, bro. No offense intended.
 

chris155au

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Blacks may lack the formal education(for many reasons), but they're smart enough NOT to stick something into their arms, just because the White man says will help them.
You must surely know that black people are ALSO telling them that it will help them.
How the fuck do you know this?
Biden is NOT Black!!
I assume that by now you have acknowledged your spectacular error!
 

HBS Guy

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Yep, cleaning and maintenance of the gene pool…to make it safer for other ‘swimmers’…
Nice to see you post! Don’t be shy, hop into the arrogant, unsophisticated bastards with their totally wrong ideas learned in their mother’s basement where they live!
 

hatty

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I might have my two cents. what the fuck is it about race and vaccines?

I gleefully got vaccinated twice, and will again soon, my two kids with me. I don't agree with mandates..... it is a persons choice just like abortion (Seth?) I like to think i am well educated so i listen to the scientists rather than Q. In Australia. So far, after the vaccines. arrived the instances of hospitalisation as a result of COVID - 19 and all its subsequent variants have plummeted. My heart goes out to heath workers who i care about.... that's the main reason i drank the cool aid, and would again. if the hospitals are over run then they are fucked..... as if they haven't done enough over the last two years already. There are a shit tonne of white middle class fuckwits here who think being an anti-vaxxer is cool and as they continue to spread their bile, any semblance of herd immunity slips away.

I re-iterate that i don't agree with mandates. I believe in education and not from the university of facebook.

We all have our opinions no matter their strength and sentiment but we don't need to turn demographics into a racial slinging match. The way cases a rising so quickly should be worrying to more people than it seems to be. We as potential victims in the future could be spending our time better.

Woke enough?
 
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johnsmith

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wow hatty ... all that and you didn't swear once. I didn't think you had it in you. ;)

good post by the way
 

mothra

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@Shellandshilo1956

Just an interesting observation.

You, like our “woke” progressive liberals in the present era, with little provocation and dubious evidence, are quick to infer, imply, or accuse others of racism.

And yet, it is those same liberals who like to smugly assert that most unvaccinated people are uneducated, unsophisticated, conservative Trump cultists.

Not looking for an argument here. It’s just an observation.


Did it not occur to you that there is both a tremendous amount of racism out there and a vast number of hugely under-educated Trump supporters?
 

SethBullock

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Did it not occur to you that there is both a tremendous amount of racism out there and a vast number of hugely under-educated Trump supporters?
Mothra, I respond to you with respect.

I live here among the people. I simply do not see "a tremendous amount of racism" in the people of this country.

Of course, it exists. It probably always will. We are a country of 325 million people. But I think dyed-in-the-wool racists in this country constitute a tiny fraction of the population.
I also think that there is a faction that wants to keep the perception alive that racism in the U.S. is pervasive and endemic. This faction is most visible in the liberal press, academia, and in left wing politicians. They have their reasons, but those reasons are not based in reality. They are self-serving instead, again for various reasons.

Recently, the State of Virginia, once a part of the Confederacy in the Civil War that fought against the Union and for the continuation of slavery, elected a conservative Governor who ran with a black female as the Lt Governor, and they won decisively.

What I see in my country, and in particular with the vast majority of white people, is the manifestation of Martin Luther King's dream that one day, people would not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

It is not the 1950s anymore. Times have changed. That the racism of the past still exists in the U.S. is, in my opinion, an illusion propagated by people who have an interest in keeping that illusion alive.

And on "uneducated Trump supporters" ...

Of course there are some uneducated Trump supporters. Of course! But there are also plenty of uneducated Biden supporters as well. And some of them who are educated are pretty stupid. I will spare you, but I could easily show you a YouTube video of Harvard or Yale (I don't remember which) students signing a fake petition to repeal the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, the Amendment that guarantees the freedom of speech.

And I might add that intelligence is not measured by academic achievement. In your lifetime I'm sure you have known highly intelligent people who didn't have college degrees, just as I have. And I'll bet you've known educated people whose political/social view was messed up.

My dad was an engineer in the nuclear energy field. He was a certifiable genius. He was one of those people who could build computer programs to manage sophisticated processes relating to the running of a nuclear reactor for civilian power generation and for nuclear powered submarines. At the height of his career, people were going to school to learn about the things he and his colleagues were discovering. Furthermore, he was an avid reader and researcher on history and political matters, and, to tell you the truth, his national, social, and world view was utterly effed up. His college degrees and intelligence didn't translate into a realistic view of politics and national policy - at all. Without going into the specifics, it was the most convoluted bs you could ever believe.

And as I write this, I'm reminded of two friends of mine. One with only a high school education who earns a middle class wage. The other has his college degree, and he has built a business which has made him a millionaire.

Both of them are loyal friends and committed family men.

Both of them hold rather whacky political/social views.

Another friend of mine is a successful farmer. He has no degree, but he is highly intelligent. You have to be to be a successful farmer managing crops, water systems, machinery, employees, trucking, and all of the financial end. His mental acuity is amazing.

So much for college degrees as a measure of intelligence, and certainly not a measure of one's ability to form political/social opinions.

Seth
 

Squire

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MAGA is returning racism to the frontal lobes of white America.

Furthermore, slavery hasn't ended. Powerful white Americans have demonstrated a desire for owning blacks, and some blacks have demonstrated a desire to be owned by powerful white Americans.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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I might have my two cents. what the fuck is it about race and vaccines?

I gleefully got vaccinated twice, and will again soon, my two kids with me. I don't agree with mandates..... it is a persons choice just like abortion (Seth?) I like to think i am well educated so i listen to the scientists rather than Q. In Australia. So far, after the vaccines. arrived the instances of hospitalisation as a result of COVID - 19 and all its subsequent variants have plummeted. My heart goes out to heath workers who i care about.... that's the main reason i drank the cool aid, and would again. if the hospitals are over run then they are fucked..... as if they haven't don enough over the last two years already There are a shit tonne if white middle class fuck wits here who think being an anti-vaxxer is cool and as they continue to spread their bile, any semblance of herd immunity slips away.

I re-iterate that i don't agree with mandates. I believe in education and not from the university of facebook.

We all have our opinions no matter their strength and sentiment but we don't need to turn demographics into a racial slinging match. The way cases a rising so quickly should be worrying to more people than it seems to be. We as potential victims in the future could be spending our time better.

Woke enough?
What is ironic about this argument, is that if people really WERE fully educated about this genetic inducing cheap vaccine, understood how the immune system really works, knew about the adverse events of this poison, or understood the financial and social ramifications of forced vaccinations, NO ONE WOULD GO ANYWHERE NEAR THIS VACCINE!!

People generally will see whatever they want to see. Regardless of their level of education. It is our genes and experiences that really determines our worldview. In fact, our level of education is directly proportional to our level of obedience, complacency, and indifference. IMHO History has always shown academia as being used to rationalize any story the governments needs. Where was academia during the world wars, and American Imperialism?
 

johnsmith

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What is ironic about this argument, is that if people really WERE fully educated about this genetic inducing cheap vaccine, understood how the immune system really works, knew about the adverse events of this poison, or understood the financial and social ramifications of forced vaccinations, NO ONE WOULD GO ANYWHERE NEAR THIS VACCINE!!

even with all the doctors and scientists in the world, no one is as 'fully' educated as you. How lucky we are to have you grace us with your presence.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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even with all the doctors and scientists in the world, no one is as 'fully' educated as you. How lucky we are to have you grace us with your presence.
I'd like to think that I was the voice of reason, not servitude. Is this another of your sad attempts at arguing from incredulity using another silly straw man? That is, to simply infer that I am wrong, without actually demonstrating how? So, answer me this, my dumb dumb troll!!

Name any of these doctors or scientists that have claimed,

that vaccinated people can't be infected with Covid-19!
that vaccinated people can't die from complications from Covid-19!
that vaccinated people can't spread Covid-19!
that vaccinated people will recover, more than unvaccinated people!
that vaccinated people will be protected from ALL variants of Covid-19!
that this vaccine does NOT genetically induce muscle cells to produce viral spikes!
that this vaccine does NOT produce "adverse events" that can cause death!

This has nothing to do with your level of education. This has everything to do with your level of common sense and intellectual laziness. If you ask an average person to choose between sticking something in their arm(and their children), that will weaken their immune system, create spikes on their muscle cells, will have the potential to cause adverse events, or to have a 98% chance of recovering naturally, what do you think they will choose?

But ask a highly educated person the same questions, and throw in some political platitudes and soundbites, a fear-mongering narrative, half-truths, data taken out of context, and create a false sense of community comradery and nationalism, and these people will create any rationale to fill in any contradictions. This is easily spotted. Because they will only attack the person, and never the facts.

Although, I have no idea what "fully" educated even means, I have nowhere near the formal/tertiary education as doctors and scientists. But I do have a brain that can still reason objectively. I am NOT a sheeple that only wants to BELIEVE that what I am being told is true. I actually want to KNOW that what I am being told is true. An informed choice if you will.
 

Biggles53

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Name any of these doctors or scientists that have claimed,

that vaccinated people can't be infected with Covid-19!
that vaccinated people can't die from complications from Covid-19!
that vaccinated people can't spread Covid-19!
that vaccinated people will recover, more than unvaccinated people!
that vaccinated people will be protected from ALL variants of Covid-19!
that this vaccine does NOT genetically induce muscle cells to produce viral spikes!
that this vaccine does NOT produce "adverse events" that can cause death!
Replace “Covid 19” with any of a wide variety of infectious diseases and most of your list would apply.

Are you suggesting that all vaccines should be done away with…?
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Replace “Covid 19” with any of a wide variety of infectious diseases and most of your list would apply.
The point of the list was to show that NONE of these doctors and researchers disagree with me, as John was trying to infer/imply that they do. And, yes you can replace Covid-19 with any infectious disease, and they would apply to most of the list. But, we don't coerce, lockdown, mandate, arrest or fine, discriminate, or destroy our own economy for the measles, mumps, or the flu!! Do we??

Are you suggesting that all vaccines should be done away with…?
Firstly, Covid-19 is NOT a normal vaccine. It is NOT like the vaccines that we all took as children. It is a genetically lab-engineered sequence of RNA, that is designed to force our muscle cells to start making viral spikes. And, to modify our DNA, and reduce our normal innate immune response. Not one of our childhood antigen/pathogen-based vaccines will do this.

When you are inoculated with a normal antigen/pathogen-based vaccine, there are zero to maybe a couple of variants that could be produced. But this bio-weapon is designed to produce many variants when our immune system attacks it. The sequence is engineered to produce between 100-183 pathogenic variants.

So, I am NOT suggesting that ALL vaccinations should be done away with! BUT I KNOW FOR CERTAIN THAT THIS SO-CALLED VACCINE SHOULD BE DONE AWAY WITH!!

Here is a 23 min video that you might find interesting. It looks only at the facts, and ignores the hype and disinformation. The real problem is, that people are now conditioned to ignore the truth. No matter how obvious it is.

Anytime someone tells me that I SHOULD do something, I am only skeptical and want to know why. But when someone tells me that I MUST do something or else, then they can get fucked!

We knew the TRUTH would come out BUT THIS IS WORSE! (rumble.com)
 
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