Breaking news ... 19 children and one teacher killed in US school

Shellandshilo1956

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Typical avoiding deflecting, and deranged response, which only highlights why a little knowledge can be such a dangerous thing.

No, it will, as it always should, rest upon the backs of the murderous criminals who actually plan the deed, pull the triggers, & commit the heinous crimes....
Take a moment to think about the conservative sound-bite that you're spewing. NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT RESPOSIBILITY, REGARDING THE MANICS WHO COMMIT THESE ATROCITIES!! THEY ARE CLEARLY TO BLAME FOR THEIR ACTIONS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INACTING LEGISLATION TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THESE MANIACS TO LEGALLY ACQUIRE THESE TYPES OF WEAPONS. I can't make it any clearer than this. The genus of this logic is, that if you can't legally acquire assault weapons and certain ammo, then it will be extremely difficult to kill large numbers of people while in the act of reloading your weapon, duh!!! But people who only see people as labels, can never understand this.

You have a Governor(Bush look-alike) who relaxed more gun restrictions just after this tragedy. What message do you think he is sending to the parents still mourning over the death of their children? Since you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. As the body-bags of the innocent keep mounting, unreasonable obstinate people like you will continue hiding behind YOUR version of the second amendment! Their blood will CERTAINLY be on your hands. If you believe that everyone should be armed to the teeth, then it should not be a surprise to people like you, when babies are slaughtered. Or, do you believe in your fantasy world, that there are only good law-abiding gun owners, and those who aren't? What about those good law-abiding gun owners, who are not??

Regarding the NRA(a club only Trumpanzees would join). They're busy with their own legal problems. Our thoughts and prayers go out to them.:bgrin

 

SethBullock

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Staff member
We were talking about it on the Yank forum. I wrote this …

I can’t speak for the police department in question. But …

I am now a retired police officer. Our attitude was that if there was an active shooter in a school, we were going in, we were going to find him and eliminate the threat. Period. No waiting for a SWAT team. No waiting for anything.

If we lived, we lived. If we got wounded, we got wounded. If we died, we died. It just didn’t matter. What we were going to do had already been decided.

We trained for it. We had the equipment and firepower in all the patrol cars.

Done deal.

Today I spoke with a friend of mine who is still an active police officer. About going in and stopping the shooter, he said, “You’ll have to keep up with me.”

Apparently, not all police departments are ready for this. But this Texas police department does not represent all of us.
 

HBS Guy

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Yeah, some very repug-leaning American internet buddies of mine were scathing of that police department. They then said Democrats only saw the gun not the person. What crap, Dems been trying to get gun registration, waiting periods etc. Look at what Gov Abbot did, made concealed carry legal for all! Some snotnosed 16yo could be walking about armed!
 

greggerypeccary

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Yeah, some very repug-leaning American internet buddies of mine were scathing of that police department. They then said Democrats only saw the gun not the person. What crap, Dems been trying to get gun registration, waiting periods etc. Look at what Gov Abbot did, made concealed carry legal for all! Some snotnosed 16yo could be walking about armed!
He's a pretty disgusting human being, that Abbott.

Along with his buddy, Ted Cruz.

Horrible, horrible people.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
I am now a retired police officer. Our attitude was that if there was an active shooter in a school, we were going in, we were going to find him and eliminate the threat. Period. No waiting for a SWAT team. No waiting for anything.
I have no problem with caution and obtaining logistics first. But once the first child was shot calling out for help, then all that shit would've gone out the window. Saving as many children would now be my only priority. But these cowards added insult to misery, by forcing the parents to stand by and hear their children being slaughtered. As a parent, I could sleep better knowing that I at least tried to save my child. Do you think that these children were hoping for an adult to save them? Especially, when they saw their classmates brains splattered all over the wall???

To be fair, there were reports of cops and a parent going into the school and saving their child. But all the rest were either cowards or racial bigots. I mean, what armed cop is going to wait an hour in the hallway of a school, while a single shooter is shooting down children? I hope they all rot in hell!! The shooter for his actions, and the cops for their inactions!

After Sandy Hooks, bills were introduced to ban the private sales of fully-auto assault rifles. They failed in the Republican-controlled senate. Bills that would limit the magazine capacity to 10 rounds. They all failed. A bill that would ban the sale of guns to anyone with a history of domestic(or any) physical violence. It failed. Feinstein introduced a bill to ban the sale of 150 models of semi-auto, fully-auto assault rifles(and mags). It also failed to get past the Republican senate. A bill for psych testing failed. Even a bill for mandatory training and competency failed. All attempts to reform the gun laws were defeated. And, the body-bags are still mounting.

This American gun culture doesn't give a shit about the innocent lives lost. Only about their cold-steel psychological security blanket. We are talking about the private ownership of a weapon, that is designed to kill another human being. It should be the most regulated weapon on the planet. Not purchased in 5 minutes at a servo.

You are 3 times more likely to kill yourself with a gun, than being assaulted and killed by a gun. IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFETIME. Just another manufactured hype, to sell a product you don't need.

 

stunspore

Member
Makes sense that when one has driving licence to have a gun licence.
Only thing is the distrust of others having your private details - these are paranoid people. And if that's their democratic processes, well, too bad for those who live there.
 

johnsmith

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We were talking about it on the Yank forum. I wrote this …

I can’t speak for the police department in question. But …

I am now a retired police officer. Our attitude was that if there was an active shooter in a school, we were going in, we were going to find him and eliminate the threat. Period. No waiting for a SWAT team. No waiting for anything.

If we lived, we lived. If we got wounded, we got wounded. If we died, we died. It just didn’t matter. What we were going to do had already been decided.

We trained for it. We had the equipment and firepower in all the patrol cars.

Done deal.

Today I spoke with a friend of mine who is still an active police officer. About going in and stopping the shooter, he said, “You’ll have to keep up with me.”

Apparently, not all police departments are ready for this. But this Texas police department does not represent all of us.

I would like to think that the majority of police officers everywhere would feel the same. I don't think you have to be a police officer to feel that way either. They were kids being shot. At the very least if those police weren't willing to go in and put a stop to it, they should have gotten out of the way and left some of the parents to go in and save their kids. I'm sure more than a few of them would have done so willingly.

I know that if it was me and my kids were in there, there is no way I'm going to sit and wait for an hour. If I get shot in the process than so be it.
 

greggerypeccary

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"NRA: 'Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun Is A Good Guy With A Gun'"

So why couldn't an entire police force, with dozens of guns, stop an 18 year old in a dress?

I'm curious.
 

SethBullock

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No one, including police go to work to get killed deliberately.
But most police stay in the profession knowing that it’s dangerous. Police can mitigate risk through tactics and training, but they cannot eliminate risk.

There are routine things police do that are inherently dangerous, but then there are things that come up from time to time that are exceptionally dangerous but which must be done.

It is my opinion that all police officers should accept that fact, and if they aren’t willing to act in exceptionally dangerous situations, they should get out of the profession.

There are situations where police must be willing to go into what I would call “warrior mode”, and that is when the loss of innocent life is happening or will happen if they don’t act.

I was a member of a tactical team for about 5 years during my career. If an armed suspect was holed up in a building with hostages, there was a tactical plan involving containment and negotiation, but there was also an emergency plan in the event that the suspect killed or threatened to kill a hostage. If the emergency plan had to be executed, that was “warrior mode”. Our duty to protect innocent life simply outweighed our own safety.

I’m not entirely sure what happened at the Uvalde school. But according to a timeline that’s been reported, the first 911 call came in at 11:30 a.m, and police were outside the door of the classroom he was in by 11:35 a.m. Two officers received grazing wounds at that time.

It would appear that an impediment to the officers was that the suspect had locked the door to the classroom. Later, when the tactical team entered, they breached the door using keys from a janitor. So it appears that the officers did respond to the shooter very quickly, but if the door was locked, they should have gotten a key or a breaching tool as quickly as possible and kept going. Apparently, a Uvalde police commander told them to stop at that point, and they have admitted that this was a mistake.

I honestly think police should just take the attitude that if they make it out alive, great. And if they don’t, they don’t … but they died honorably, trying to do the duty they had sworn they would do. That’s just how I see it, and I know most officers see it the same way.
 

greggerypeccary

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Gun deaths were the leading killer of US children in 2020

"Guns overtook car crashes to become the leading cause of death for US children and teenagers in 2020, new research shows.

"Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) shows that over 4,300 young Americans died of firearm-related injuries in 2020.

"While suicides contributed to the toll, the data shows that homicides form the majority of gun-related deaths.

"More than 390 million guns are owned by US civilians."


 

Shellandshilo1956

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When anything is repeated over and over again(through the media, movies, tv and film), it will eventually create a phenomenon called the "illusionary truth effect". That is, when false information becomes correct, only because it is exposed to you repeatedly. There is also a difference in what cops COULD POSSIBLY face each day. And what cops MOST PROBABLY will face each day. One is an exaggeration for optics, and the other is reality.

And, the reality is, 90% of cops never pull their gun from their holster(especially on the day shift). In their entire career! Cops are more likely to kill themselves(suicide), kill an innocent person, die from Covid-19, be killed by another cop, or pickle their own liver, than will ever encounter an armed felon. All stats support this.

Even with millions of Law Enforcement personnel(sworn and civilian), $billions of dollars spent on computers networks, high tech weapons, labs, modern equipment, etc., homicide case clearances alone is around 55-60% nationwide. So, unlike the TV cop shows(that always clear cases in 30-60 minutes), you really do have a 40-50% chance of getting away with murder.

The real emotional trauma that comes with this profession, is the emotional and physical traumas that you will be forced to witness throughout your career. If you are very sensitive to all the ugly forms of death, crony politics, racism and bigotry, human relationships at their worst, or the evils that man can do to another man, then this is NOT the profession for you.


Since I had a face that no one would ever believe that I was a cop, I did just about every dirty job in the SFPD. Mostly Narcotics(undercover) and decoys(SCU). As well as stints in Robbery, Auto, Burglary, and CSTF(SWAT). Only twice did I ever feel that there would be no tomorrows for me. It was my last 2 years in patrol that was an eye opener for me. I would prefer to deal with criminals than the normal public. I retired from the politics and the boredom of the job.

These cunts/bullies-in-uniform at Uvalde, cared more about their pensions, paychecks, social status, than about their purpose(serve and protect). If not ONE cop was willing to save ONE defenseless child, after hearing their screams after being shot by a maniac, then all of them are the most useless cunts on the planet. A total disgrace to everything that the uniform stands for. These fucking cowardly are only good at harassing desperate unarmed poor immigrants trying to cross the border. I hope all these paper tigers rot in hell for their cowardness!!! The cavalry only came to watch, for these kids!!
 

HBS Guy

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It is going to get worse with any dickhead allowed to carry a concealed weapon.What could go wrong?
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
America is the largest arms producer and exporter on the planet. It produces and exports more arms than Russia, China, France, and Germany, COMBINED!!!

To be honest, the US government doesn't actually sell arms to any government directly. But it receives profits/revenue indirectly from every sale that it brokers for its arms producers. Guess who is America's largest arms buyer? SAUDI ARABIA! The number one producer, exporter, and financial supporter of terrorism in the world! I guess only money talks in an over $530 Billion arms industry.

America does need its guns. But not for any personal self-defense, national security, or because it is written in a Constitution as a state-only precaution(totally irrelevant now). America needs its gun market, to keep paying the minimum interest on its $30 Trillion national debt. As well as the interest on its $100 Trillion of unfunded liabilities.

This is why 64% of Americans are still living paycheck to paycheck. And why almost 40M Americans still live in poverty.

 
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