You do realise that vaccination mandates have existed long before COVID came on the scene….right?
As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine significantly lowers transmission?
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chris155au
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How do you define "universal mandate?"
chris155au
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You mean for kids?
Correct. Try putting a kid into childcare in NSW without vaccination (or an exemption).
chris155au
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We're not talking about kids. We're talking about ADULTS. Why weren't you advocating for flu vaccine mandates before COVID?
Shellandshilo1956
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Can you give some examples of when having a vaccine was mandatory? And, when refusal came with any unwelcome outcomes?
I realize that unless the government's paid enforcement flunkies don't come into YOUR home, ask for YOUR vaccine papers, drag any member of YOUR family over 12 out of your house, hold them down, and shove a needle into their arm, that you don't give a shit. And, will never call their obvious actions as a mandatory enforced vaccination!! Just like the good company man you are. Maybe, as Mindless Morrison calls it, "Strongly encouraged", is a better term to appease all the mildly stupid! As I have said before, "What would it take before people start to wake up? And, just how far will they allow the government to screw them and their country?".
As of Sept. 17th, in 4 States(Queensland, NSW, Western and South Australia), public safety orders will mandate, that ALL healthcare workers, aged care staff, transportation and airport workers, and those who have been quarantined, receive at least ONE jab/shot. CHOICE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT/OPTION!! The government doesn't want you to think. It only wants you to believe/comply. So, if you want to continue believing that mandatory vaccinations are NOT real, or not a real practice, then denial is your only security blanket against the truth.
Lateral thinkers believe, that there may be circumstances in the future, in which proof of vaccination will soon be a requirement for all employments. Including, for border entry and re-entry, service, transport, agriculture, and hospitality industries. Mandated vaccine requirements will certainly not be obvious to those who choose to just bury their head in the sand. But for the rest of us who are concerned about this obvious slipper slope, mandates are just the beginning of this government's overreaching policies.
I bet if we simply changed the term Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 virus, to the cold virus, and kept all the media hype and hysterics going, you mindless government toadies would still remain in the dying cockroach position, awaiting your next daily dose of government disinformation.
It reminds me of the quote, "It is better to die on your feet, than to keep living on your knees.". Or words to that affect. I'm not waiting to see how many more new restrictions, these power-mad children can shove up my ass. Leave people the fuck alone!! If people want to walk in the park or lay down at the beach, then let them! If people don't want to wear useless masks, then let them! If people don't want to be vaccinated, then let them! If NOT being vaccinated is NOT a criminal offense, then why should people be punished for it?? Directly or Indirectly!!!
COVID-19 vaccinations: legislation and public health orders - Fair Work Ombudsman
Read the public health orders that require certain workers to be vaccinated in various Australian states and territories.
coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au
Now lets look at Victoria. Surely, there must by a viral apocalypse there, or people dropping dead in the streets, to justify imposing these insane restrictions, right??
6.7M people, is the total population of Victoria
55,936 people, is the total number of people infected(Covid-19), since Jan. 2020
36,746 people, is the total number of people who have recovered from Covid-19 as of Oct. 13.
921 people, is the number of people who have died from Covid-19.
This means that only 0.27% of the Victorian population has been infected over the past 22 months. This also mean that 99.73% of the Victorian population is not even infected. All based solely on the the simple and verifiable stats. And with a mortality rate of 1.6%, it also means that 98.4% of those in still active cases, are expected to recover(36,158). The Measles would be a worse scenario.
55,936 - 36,746 - 921 /6.7M = 0.0027 x 100% = 0.27% of the Victorian population
921 / 55,935 = 0.0164 x 100% = 1.6% mortality rate. Or, a 98.4% survival rate.
57,466 Coronavirus Cases and 19,786 Active in Victoria - COVID Live
Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in Victoria
covidlive.com.au
So, NOT the viral apocalypse I was expecting to justify these extreme and immature restrictions. Just all drama and theatrics from paid political and media actors. And, absolutely zero verifiable substance, to support their bullshit assumptions. But I suppose in politics, image and perception is always more important than the truth. Right? The ignorant are only interested in how good the show is. Not whether it is true or not!!
Sit. Stay. Good Boy.
See above re childcare…
Next thing you know, they’ll be mandating that you produce a passport to travel overseas and that you drive your car within a speed limit while wearing a seatbelt…!
Oh, wait….
Who says? This thread is about spread…that happens in kids and adults.
Shellandshilo1956
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If you are talking about the Public Health Act of 2010(in Australia), and its later amendment in 2018, requiring vaccine certificates for childcare entry, then I would ask you to take a moment to think. Since less than 3% of all preschoolers are unvaccinated for childhood illnesses, this is a mute point at best. And, since no child under 7 years old has died from Covid-19(and only 1 person under 20yo) in Australia, and thousands of children have died from early childhood diseases, again a very poor comparison.
Also, if my children are vaccinated in a kindie class, then why would I give a shit, even if the class was filled with unvaccinated or infected children? Where is the logic here? None, other than more government intrusions.
But, we are NOT talking about children are we? Their immune system fights this SARS-CoV-2 virus differently than an adult's immune system. Hence why children will experience mild to no symptoms at all from Covid-19. Even though around 15% of all Covid-19 cases are young children. Unless of course their immune system is already compromises, right? We are talking about adults who are being screwed because they choose NOT to be vaccinated. And, refuse to think like the rest of the flock
Are you suggesting that we force parents to force their 0 - 7 year old children, to stick an unnecessary Covid-19 vaccine into their arm? Just to inject an unnecessary vaccine, that carries absolutely NO antigens, NO viruses(live or inactive), and NO modified/altered real pathogen? There is no comparison between these mRNA, DNA vector vaccines, which has already produced 6 variants from just ONE mutation of SARS, and with any of the early childhood vaccines that have produced negligible variants from 14 diseases.
I guess wearing seatbelts, and driving under the speed limit, was your poor attempt at incredulity. But, regarding producing a passport before traveling overseas, there are very clear and obvious reasons for doing so. But if you mean producing a Covid-19 passport(or some facsimile certificate), this will happen this month. Vaccinated people will now need certificates to shop, to produce when requested by authorities, to enter businesses, to travel abroad or interstate, to gain employment, to enter sporting venues, to teach classes, etc. Now we are openly discriminating against unvaccinated people. Is this the new Australia we should be proud of? Or, have we just exposed the new Australia with the most sheep?
Vaccine passports are coming to Australia. How will they work and what will you need them for?
Australians will soon need to prove they’re fully vaccinated to do things like travel overseas and visit restaurants and pubs.
theconversation.com
Oh wait...! Let's not let a little thing like committing human rights violations(not allowing people to leave the country) get in the way of maximizing profits from vaccine investments, right? I'm sure these pathetic leaders can come up with some bullshit narrative, to keep unvaccinated Australians a prisoner in their own country. But hey, you don't give a shit about people who actually choose to make their own informed decisions!! Here is a prediction. I bet that there will be many top-up shots to be taken every year. More shots, more profits. Let's see if this prediction comes true.
Human rights considerations for vaccine passports | Australian Human Rights Commission
Vaccines are effective in saving lives and the right to life is a human right
humanrights.gov.au
Sit. Stay. Good Boy.
You asked for prior examples of vaccine mandates….you were given one.
‘Methinks the lady doth protest too much’….
No, it was a sarcastic attempt to point out that there are many, many examples of us not being able to do as we please whenever we like. We have rules we must follow. It’s called being part of a community…
All too often, we hear the selfish whining about “My rights, my rights…!” Never do we hear them admit to “My responsibilities…”
chris155au
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Good point, but what about the responsibility of vulnerable people, making wise decisions to protect themselves? Why should it be up to others to protect them?
chris155au
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Yes and what is the evidence that the COVID vaccines protect against spread?
chris155au
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Very well said. The way that they are treating it, it might as well be an actual crime! At least if it was a crime, it would be consistent with the way they are treating it!
chris155au
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Why weren't you advocating for flu vaccine mandates before COVID?
chris155au
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I don't think that @Shellandshilo1956 is a lady.
chris155au
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Aren't certain children required to get certain vaccinations to attend school?
Which State is this for? I know that currently in NSW where I live, only vaccinated people can enter non-essential businesses, but this is set to expire in December. And I'm sure that it will be the same in Victoria when it reopens, at least initially like NSW, although I have a hunch that it will be permanent over there. However, other States? I'm not aware that people have these restrictions. And why would they? They're pretty much enjoying 'COVID ZERO' at the moment as far as I'm aware. Which of course will not last -- at which point perhaps those States will become just as authoritarian as NSW is currently and Victoria. The authoritarianism that we're seeing in Victoria right now is with vaccine mandates imposed on businesses, but like I said, I'm sure that it will apply to people entering non-essential businesses once they reopen.
Yep. Discrimination on the basis of vaccination status - now the only widely accepted form of discrimination in the Western world
Definitely the latter.
From the page:
"Vaccine passports show verified proof of someone’s COVID-19 vaccination status or COVID-19 status (which can be a ‘passport’, or, in some cases, an alternative verifiable form of proof) that is then used as a condition of entry or service.
They are currently being trialled in locations overseas but are yet to be introduced to Australia."
I don't understand this, because this is here already!