we were discussing the right wingers who believe in free speech until someone says something they don't like ... legalities have nothing to do with it
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests
Absolutely Disgraceful
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chris155au
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You STILL don't get it. Believing in free speech DOES NOT MEAN that we cannot criticise
certain speech! Saying the 'N' word is a DISGRACE, but it should be totally legal. Am I
against free speech now?
calling for someone to be sacked from their career goes beyond criticism, it's a punishment. Much like jailing someone is a punishment for doing something illegal.
chris155au
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You would be okay with someone being sacked for saying the 'N' word.
we weren't discussing what I would be ok with or not. We were discussing the right who endlessly cite the right to free speech, right up until someone says something they don't like.
chris155au
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And there's nothing inconsistent about that, because they're not calling for legal punishment!
so your saying the sacking would be illegal?
of course it's inconsistent. If it has a consequence it's not free, it has a price .....
chris155au
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In what country? In the US you can be sacked for farting too loud. As in, you can be sacked for literally anything.
Yes, certain speech SHOULD have a price. A social one, not a legal one.
chris155au
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It's not the government acting. That's the point.
No, I actually think that you're smart enough to know the very DISTINCT difference between a social price, and a legal price.
no, it's the president himself calling for his sacking. It doesn't get any more govt. than that
is that how the right justify the hypocrisy ?
chris155au
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Trump had no power over that football club. Strange that you think he did.
I don't know what this "hypocrisy" is that you're referring to.
chris155au
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You seem to think that we're talking about the President of the football club, rather than the President of the United States!
and you seem to think the president of the USA has no influenceYou seem to think that we're talking about the President of the football club, rather than the President of the United States!
chris155au
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Yes, Trump had SO MUCH influence, that that the clubsand you seem to think the president of the USA has no influence
totally ignored him and didn't fire the players!
It is irrelevant that the clubs didn't listen, we're talking about the hypocrisy of the right. Trump tried to have him sacked. That he failed (just like he failed at almost everything else he touched) does not diminish from the rights hypocritic attitude to free speechYes, Trump had SO MUCH influence, that that the clubs
totally ignored him and didn't fire the players!
chris155au
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Again, it would be perfectly acceptable for a conservative to call for the firing of someone for saying the N-word for example. Nothing hypocritical about that. Speech MUST have standards! But ZERO legal consequences!
Again, we're not discussing what is acceptable and what isn't. I'm jut pointing out the sheer hypocrisy from the right who cry about the right to free speech every time someone criticizes someone from the right for saying something absurd and yet have no problem trying to punish someone who says something they don't agree with
chris155au
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You won't be able to cite ONE SINGLE example of someone on the right 'crying' about the right to free speech after someone criticised someone from the right for something they said!