2 Sides To Police Shootings

Texan

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All we are hearing about is the side that American police are out of control and are hunting down black people at will. It consumes our media, who like to stir up anger so they can cover it on the news. Yes, police need to be held accountable for every time they fire their gun. They need to justify why they fired their weapon. Who's life was at risk when they killed someone? The justice system is there to sort it all out and we should let it happen.

Here is the other side. Black people have a culture problem. 80% of American blacks are born into single parent families. Since the 60s, our welfare system has stepped in and pays single moms much more than married couples. The marriage rate of blacks has plummeted since then and we now have a lot of generational welfare. Not only is this taxing on America, these black kids don't have fathers in their lives. Their parents don't work and they don't understand how people can be expected to support themselves because they have never seen it in their personal lives. Many blacks have never been disciplined. They don't know how to navigate the job application process and don't even know what a resume is. Their situation steers them to poor life choices (crime, drugs, unwed parenthood, etc....) and their lives spiral out of control when the law catches up to them. We need to be training kids in "black neighborhoods" these things in school just as much as the police need training. They need a class on building a resume, filling out a check, balancing a checkbook, and making themselves more attractive as a potential employee. Parents should do this, but many of these kids don't have parents. These are generalizations and I know many people of all colors who work very hard and are successful and good parents.

My son's high school was in a sports district with Dallas public schools. They have football teams, but when we play them at their home field, our fans vastly outnumber their fans because our parents support our kids and they have very little parental support. When we are the home team, you can usually count the number of their fans from our side of the stadium. Their bands were tiny, underfunded, and could only play the most simple music. It's pretty heartbreaking.

I have 3 sons and I have given them all the talk about how to act when pulled over by the police. Pull over to the side of the road so that the cop can approach out of traffic, have your license, registration, proof of insurance, and license to carry (if applicable) ready when he walks up. Keep your hands visible and don't make sudden moves. Don't argue with the cop because that is what court is for. If you aren't a criminal and you do these things, the cop will treat you just fine. My 19 year old was pulled over for the first time for speeding on our way home from church a few weeks ago. The cop could see the rest of the family smirking and he immediately knew what was going on. He gave my son a written warning and sent us on our way. We'll chalk it up as OJT. His mother and I were both carrying guns, but we never brought the subject up and left our hands where the cop could see them and not feel threatened. If he had asked about guns, we would have told him the truth, but until then it was irrelevant.

My sons were made to do their school work and given opportunities to pursue interests that teach them discipline and teamwork. They can tie a tie. They each own at least 1 suit for job interviews, church, funerals, and such. They aren't afraid of work and are allowed to benefit from work. They also know how to work to help the less fortunate. 2 of the 3 even play musical instruments. My sons use "sir" and "maam" often and treat elderly people with respect. They look out for women and children and hold doors for strangers. They watched me as they were growing up because their mother and I were always there for them and have proven that we love them and always have their best interests at heart. That's the type of training that all young people need. That's also what my parents did for me and my brother and my grandparents did for my parents.
 
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mothra

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I ... don't know where to start.

Hey Tex, did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason there's so many single mother families is that you keep locking young black men up for stupid reasons for years and years?

When's the last time a white kid got 25 years for stealing a push bike?
 

Squire

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When is the last time a black man became a supreme court judge after sexually molesting a teenage girl?

Wait a minute. Because of Clarence Thomas I have to rephrase that question.

When is the last time a 'non-Republican' black man became a supreme court judge after sexually molesting a teenage girl?
 

Texan

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I don't know who is to blame for their "culture problem", but when 13.5% of the people commit a near majority of crime then what do you call it? And when did someone get 25 years for stealing a "push bike"? Were there prior offenses or related crimes? Blacks don't act civilized because they have fewer role models and personal guidance. Does anybody have another theory as to why they misbehave and burn cities down even before a cop goes in front of a grand jury? The "cops are systemically racist" BS is wearing kind of thin.
 

mothra

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See. part of your problem, Tex, is the way you define crime. You vote for bigger criminals than are sitting in your jail cells.
 

mothra

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As to incarceration owing to previous offences, you should know, two previous offences is all it takes. No stipulation o severity. Stealing a chocolate bar will do it.
 

Texan

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And i'm calling bullshit on "near majority".
Blacks commit 53% of murders and 54% of robberies. They account for about 38% of all violent crime and they are 13.5% of the population. I grew up on the Southeast side of Dallas and have seen the problems they cause up close.


I'm not saying that racism against blacks doesn't exist or that they have never been mistreated. That's pretty obvious, but the American family and especially the black family has taken a huge hit in divorce and unwed mothers since the 60s. I gave my theories. What are yours?
 

SethBullock

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And i'm calling bullshit on "near majority".
We should not get too hung up on semantics and parse phrases like "near majority."

The truth is that only a small percentage of all Americans commit crimes. The majority of black people in this country are not criminals. We also know for a fact that black people who are law-abiding and who work hard in school and at a chosen profession can be successful and respected in our country.

Now the bad news ...

We also know that black people are over represented in certain serious crime categories. The most serious is murder. Black people are 13% of our country's population, but about half of all murders committed in the U.S. are committed by black people. And that statistic is depressingly consistent year after year.

We also know that the murders that skew those statistics so lopsidedly are coming straight out of the same places where the culture is self-destructive, namely certain inner cities. I'm thinking of places like St Louis, New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, and New York City. That culture suffers from a lack of fathers and familial stability, hope, self-discipline, and leadership. And, it suffers from the soft, but debilitating, bigotry of the political left wing. It is like a "perfect storm" of factors that all contribute to this cultural dysfunction.

The media is also expressly complicit. The major media also contribute mightily to this perfect storm.

I happen to believe that there ARE ways to turn this all around. But it would take courageous leadership, time, and long term commitment. Sadly, for our feckless politicians and the complicit media, everything revolves around an election cycle. They don't really care about any of this, and those who do are bullied into silence.

I agree with Texan when he talks about teaching inner city kids in school about how to succeed and move forward. I believe that those kids could benefit from "Successful Living" classes from Grade 1 through 12. But I see that as just one part of many. That alone is not "the answer". "The answer" is holistic and has many parts.

As for the police, they must be accountable for their actions. But the overwhelming majority of police are well-intentioned people who want to help and serve their communities and keep them safe. And, it is a difficult, dangerous, and stressful job, and we must remember that.

Seth
 

Squire

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Seth Bullock is writing from the white privilege perspective. Blacks were excluded from society for generations, shunned, deprived, denied the vote, denied education, denied economic development.

Black crime is an outcome of the criminal and negligent acts of whites for generations and centuries.
 

greggerypeccary

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Seth Bullock is writing from the white privilege perspective. Blacks were excluded from society for generations, shunned, deprived, denied the vote, denied education, denied economic development.

Black crime is an outcome of the criminal and negligent acts of whites for generations and centuries.
Exactly.
 

DreamRyderX

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Seth Bullock is writing from the white privilege perspective. Blacks were excluded from society for generations, shunned, deprived, denied the vote, denied education, denied economic development. Complete & Utter Bullshit & Lies!

Black crime is an outcome of the criminal and negligent acts of whites for generations and centuries.

Each & every statement you've made it's complete & utter bullshit.....& I'm callin' it as it is........complete & utter bullshit!!!

But, that said, it's not all your fault......a lot of it is the media's fault, & living here for the better part of 30 years, I've seen it first hand......the media lies to you, & because you have no alternative source of information, you're basically forced to believe the bullshit you see, read, & hear, & then you regurgitate it verbatim to sound knowledgeable to yourself.

This is what happens when all sides of Aussie politics here trough & root on the Left......Liberals..... are moderate-Left, but Left nevertheless.......Labor.....far-Left......Greenies, extreme-radical Left. You can name all the influential conservatives here in less than 90 seconds............nothing more here than bluster & bloviation........politics is rife in apologetics. Politicians wake up saying sorry, & they repeat it over & over all day, to the point they actually believe that they are.

 
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Shellandshilo1956

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I also don't know where to start Texan. All children are born to a single female, married or not. Because a Black child is born out of wedlock doesn't mean that we must assume that the child's father plays no parenting role in the relationship. This is a myth based on a racial stereotype. That Black men are not committed to being a family. Most Black fathers play a very active role in the child's upbringing. But simple can't afford the cost of a wedding. There is also a very close knit first society for the child, composed of aunts, uncles, friends, and grandparents within the Black community. It is an extended parenting community. I know of Zero Black grandparents that would turn any child away.

The only difference here is that most Black parents aren't married. Of course this doesn't mean that the child will be without both parents, does it? It is just another myth by omission/semantics, to explain black crimes. Like the myth of Blacks committing over 50% of all murders in society.

Also, we are not talking about White cops killing almost 3 times as many Black people. We are talking about cops killing almost 3 times as many UNARMED Black people than Whites. The problem IS the justice system. Most of these incidents never reach the courts. The county DA usually refuses to prosecute the cops involved. Most cases are dismissed due to lack of evidence, or as accidents. Or, they are settled out of court by paying off the families. How many times did the federal government have to step in, and retry cops on violation of civil rights charges? After they were let off?

So, in a perfect world, your words ring true. But not in this world I afraid. Im sincerely hope that you ARE Black to make all of these truth claims. And, if you think that Black children are not disciplined, then you are sadly mistaken. In fact, an argument could be made that it is discipline that leads to the juvenile behavior.
 
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pinkeye

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Seth Bullock is writing from the white privilege perspective. Blacks were excluded from society for generations, shunned, deprived, denied the vote, denied education, denied economic development.

Black crime is an outcome of the criminal and negligent acts of whites for generations and centuries.
Sadly, despite the reasoned response from Seth...... we KNOW here we whites are culpable. Even if we struggle with the consistent racism in OUR society.. at least we are beginning to understand.

Seth says.....
I agree with Texan when he talks about teaching inner city kids in school about how to succeed and move forward. I believe that those kids could benefit from "Successful Living" classes from Grade 1 through 12. But I see that as just one part of many. That alone is not "the answer". "The answer" is holistic and has many parts.

I can only ask WHY these children have not been educated properly and successfully.? I wonder why this sounds like a great new idea. :sad :roll
 

Texan

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Sadly, despite the reasoned response from Seth...... we KNOW here we whites are culpable. Even if we struggle with the consistent racism in OUR society.. at least we are beginning to understand.

Seth says.....
I agree with Texan when he talks about teaching inner city kids in school about how to succeed and move forward. I believe that those kids could benefit from "Successful Living" classes from Grade 1 through 12. But I see that as just one part of many. That alone is not "the answer". "The answer" is holistic and has many parts.

I can only ask WHY these children have not been educated properly and successfully.? I wonder why this sounds like a great new idea. :sad :roll
You should ask their parents.
 

SethBullock

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Seth Bullock is writing from the white privilege perspective. Blacks were excluded from society for generations, shunned, deprived, denied the vote, denied education, denied economic development.

Black crime is an outcome of the criminal and negligent acts of whites for generations and centuries.
"Victims forever"??

That is your message?

Black people who are peaceful and law-abiding who work hard in school and who become physicians, lawyers, holders of high political office, businessmen, tech experts, managers, teachers, journalists, military leaders, police chiefs ... Is that your message to them?

Are you the same white people who tell black people they're not smart enough to obtain an ID card?
 

Squire

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"Victims forever"??

That is your message?

Black people who are peaceful and law-abiding who work hard in school and who become physicians, lawyers, holders of high political office, businessmen, tech experts, managers, teachers, journalists, military leaders, police chiefs ... Is that your message to them?

Are you the same white people who tell black people they're not smart enough to obtain an ID card?
The blacks who break through the obstacles, barriers and walls of white supremacy hate, and who then avoid being killed by white US police are outstanding individuals.

A few are captured by white supremacists and helped through the barriers becoming quasi-successful models of obedient. respectful, quiet, apologetic 'Uncle Toms' by white supremacist leaders to be used as props in the promotion of racist hate dogma to represent the models of obedience and servitude white supremacists expect.
 
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