☆ Abortion Clinics in Liberal U.S. States Expand....Brace for More Patients ☆

DreamRyderX

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I don't have to. The Gallup Abortion polls posited by HBS Guy shows the true figures(2021). It show that 80% of the people think that abortion should be legal under any circumstances, or under some circumstances. Only 19% of the people think that abortions should be illegal under ANY circumstances. Also, almost 60% of the people do not want Roe vs Wade overturned.

This clearly is not an example of abortion being evenly divided. But in a population, where 40% of the adult population still believe in Creationism, and that the Garden of Eden was a real place, this could very well be construed as being evenly divided.

What selfish, but well-meaning people like you don't understand, is that in most cases, having an abortion will be the most emotionally traumatic decision any young mother will have to make. A guilt that she will carry for the rest of her life. Clearly, you have never seen the effects that having an abortion has on these women. Secondly, women will have an abortion if they want one. One way or another!

Maybe your guilt messages will change the minds of some women. But reality is always a bitch. And, mothers need more than just guilt messages. They need real emotional, financial, and physical support. Before, during, and after the child is born. You are offering them none of these things!
Well then, based on what you've stated, if the American People want Abortion to thrive as a Right.....as created in the SCOTUS Roe v. Wade decision of 1973......They best be getting their ducks in order for proposing & ratifying a 28th. Constitutional Amendment if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade &/or Casey, which is a distinct possibility.
Remember this FACT: There is no appeal of a SCOTUS Decision......their Decisions are final. A subsequent SCOTUS somewhere down the road, could rule favorably to the murder slaughter of the unborn, but that would be highly unlikely for decades, based on this Court's makeup.

The only realistic option left therefore would be, as I already stated, would be a new Constitutional Amendment creating a new Abortion Right, Passed & Ratified by the American People via the process set forth in Article V of the United States Constitution.
 
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hatty

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Au contraire mon ami......

It could go to a vote on both Federal & State levels......

Here's how:

If anyone really cared about a woman's Right to an Abortion, they could get Congress to vote on a Constitutional Amendment codifying A 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution stating that "A Woman has a Right to an Abortion".

On the Federal Level this would be a entail a vote in both the United States House of Representatives, & the United States Senate.

Once passed as prescribed in Article V of the United States Constitution, it would then go to a vote in all 50 States in the United States.

Once the Amendment is Approved as prescribed in Article V of the United States Constitution by the American People, it then becomes an Amendment to the United States Constitution, & being such, becomes The Law of the Land.......

Women would then have the Right to exercise their unfettered Right to kill their unborn in all 50 States of the United States.......

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It could...... but it fucking well wont.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Well then, based on what you've stated, if the American People want Abortion to thrive as a Right.....as created in the SCOTUS Roe v. Wade decision of 1973......They best be getting their ducks in order for proposing & ratifying a 28th. Constitutional Amendment if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade &/or Casey, which is a distinct possibility.
Remember this FACT: There is no appeal of a SCOTUS Decision......their Decisions are final. A subsequent SCOTUS somewhere down the road, could rule favorably to the murder slaughter of the unborn, but that would be highly unlikely for decades, based on this Court's makeup.

The only realistic option left therefore would be, as I already stated, would be a new Constitutional Amendment creating a new Abortion Right, Passed & Ratified by the American People via the process set forth in Article V of the United States Constitution.
The 28th Amendment has already been proposed and ratified. It is essentially the newest amendment to the Constitution. And there is no survey that says Americans want abortion to thrive as a right. Abortion is a medical procedure, NOT A RIGHT! The right to choose to have an abortion is a RIGHT!


Why is it that people who scream the loudest, usually have the most to hide? Roe vs Wade was a decision(not an Amendment) made by SCOTUS. It was because a woman was refused an abortion in Texas. She was told that she could only have an abortion if her life was at risk during childbirth. Which meant a 9-10 month wait to find out. It ruled that clearly this violated her right to privacy, under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. Thus it was ruled unconstitutional! So, did it end there for you fanatics?

Maybe you should really practice what you preach. That is, "There is no appeal of a SCOTUS Decision......their Decisions are final.". Yet you, and other Texas fanatics simply ignored this, and pass a law that prevents any abortions when a heartbeat is detected(even though there is no heart). You then make criminals out of anyone who aids or abets in the abortion. You even insulate the government from prosecution, by making only its citizens culpable. I thought you said that, "There is no appeal of a SCOTUS Decision......their Decisions are final ". Just another hypocritical double standard.

We already have a constitution to protect the rights of women against people like you. People who will say and do anything, to try and circumvent the due process, the undue burden, and the personal privacy issues, that the constitution protects. Just to impose your own will/beliefs onto others. So, all you can do is focus on the pathos, and appeal only to the emotions of people. I think that even you know that it is morally, socially, and logically wrong to force any woman to become pregnant, stay pregnant, or terminate their pregnancy.

A better argument would have been, opening the doors to promiscuity without responsibility, selective gender breeding/choice, socioeconomical issues, etc. But, these and other arguments have already been debunked

https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-study-that-debunks-most-anti-abortion-arguments

If any woman doesn't want to have an abortion. THEN DON'T!! Even if 100% of people believe that all abortions should be illegal, doesn't mean that it should.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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Well then, based on what you've stated, if the American People want Abortion to thrive as a Right.....as created in the SCOTUS Roe v. Wade decision of 1973......They best be getting their ducks in order for proposing & ratifying a 28th. Constitutional Amendment if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade &/or Casey, which is a distinct possibility.
I thought I saw a post about the already ratified 28th Amendment to the Constitution. You wanted all the details, including dates and numbers. I guess you must have found them, since the post is gone.
 

DreamRyderX

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I thought I saw a post about the already ratified 28th Amendment to the Constitution. You wanted all the details, including dates and numbers. I guess you must have found them, since the post is gone.
I've opened a new topic on the subject in our forum, so being this thread pertains to ABORTION, rather than hijacking this Abortion thread, those wishing to discuss the ERA ratification issue should respectfully do so there.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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I've opened a new topic on the subject in our forum, so being this thread pertains to ABORTION, rather than hijacking this Abortion thread, those wishing to discuss the ERA ratification issue should respectfully do so there.
You're the one who brought up the 28th Amendment in the first place on this thread. And then posted a new post saying that it was never ratified, and only existed in my fantasy world. Wonder why that post just mysteriously disappeared? And, instead of owning up to your mistake, you now accuse me of hijacking this Abortion thread? Maybe you should do the research first, before running off at the mouth.
 

DreamRyderX

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America's Latest Abortion Law


Source: The National Review
Jared Polis is often portrayed as a rational liberal whom the Democratic Party would be wise to emulate. A Bulwark writer recently argued that the Colorado governor was a “model of how you can build a coalition of the normal and decent.” It’s true that Polis was one of the first Democrats to shed the hysterical federal Covid regime. And his occasional pushback against fringe progressive economic ideas — the norm among Western Democrats not that long ago — certainly makes him seem less radical. Yet his support for what is likely the most extreme abortion law in America, maybe the world, should put an end to any talk about national office.

Colorado’s new law doesn’t merely allow abortion of viable babies, for any reason, until crowning; it makes eugenic arguments about the “social, moral, and economic benefits” of not having children, as if any law or regulation compels anyone to do so. The debate, lest it be repeated, is over when life is worth protecting. According to Colorado, which has no fetal-protection laws, either, an unborn baby is never considered a life — so you can stop playing them that Baby Mozart.

Colorado’s new maximalist law not only ignores scientific and moral questions surrounding viability — which even Casey and Roe dealt with — it preventatively ensures that a “fetus does not have independent or derivative rights under the laws of the state,” stripping the unborn of any legal protection, in any circumstance. (Yes, third-trimester abortions are “rare.” Only around 10,000 of them are performed every year. So not rare enough. Warren Hern has been aborting completely viable babies in Boulder for decades; and surely, with even fewer restrictions, there will be another degenerate to take his place when he’s gone.)

The Colorado law also conflates the termination of an inconvenient life with a “fundamental right to use or refuse contraception,” a privilege no one is challenging. Treating abortion as if it holds the same societal cost and moral weight as buying a condom at CVS demonstrates the frivolous attitude the Left has taken, despite the law’s perfunctory pablum about it being a “serious decision” that should “remain between a person, their doctor, and their faith.”

Then again, the bill also betrays a frivolous radicalism by adopting pseudoscientific woke language. As Ed Morrissey notes:
The new law goes out of its way to pander to wokery, too. Its reference to “pregnant individual(s)” is both nonsensical and superfluous to a bill legalizing abortion until the final contractions. The words “woman” and “female” don’t appear once in the text of the bill, and the word “women” only appears in the citation of Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the case by which the Supreme Court might overturn Roe v Wade. For a law that supposedly involves removing oppression from women, females have been oddly erased from this issue in Colorado. As have babies, for that matter.
Most headlines regarding the law were long the lines of, “Colorado governor signs bill codifying the right to abortion in state law,” when a more precise wording would be “Colorado governor signs law codifying abortion under any circumstance until crowning.” Hiding the intent of abortion laws, pro or con, has become a political compulsion of the media. Why? Because since 1973, Gallup has found that the number of Americans who believe abortion should be legal “under any circumstance” remains between 22 and 34 percent. Yet this is the position of the contemporary Democratic Party (which is more predisposed to making exceptions for post-birth abortions than limiting late-term procedures). Nearly every poll that asks voters about post-viable abortions finds that they are deeply unpopular. That fact alone doesn’t make the procedure right or wrong (it remains a homicide with or without democratic support). But you would never know it from the coverage.

In the late ’60s, Colorado became the first state to decriminalize abortion in some cases. In the late ’70s, Colorado became the first state to set aside government funds to pay for abortions. In the early 2020s, Colorado became the first state to codify the individual right to an abortion up until the moment of birth for any reason. And Polis, the alleged reasonable Democrat, has his signature on the bill.
Well, it seems evident.......the Left has thrown down its gauntlet.....

It must sense that SCOTUS is preparing to deliver it's decision, which in comparison to Colorado's decision, wouldn't even get page 5 notoriety.

I sincerely hope that the SCOTUS will hold back it's decision for a while, to justly contemplate any decision(s) it has to eventually render......

You surely know my position.......So, what say you?.......
 
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HBS Guy

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Hey, you WANTED the question of abortion thrown back to the states! Now you don’t?
 

DreamRyderX

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Hey, you WANTED the question of abortion thrown back to the states! Now you don’t?

I didn't say that I don't want the States to have final say whether they have approval over REGULATED abortions or not.....I believe that individual States have Rights that the Federal Government doesn't have......the Right is on how an abortion can be REGULATED.....& to what degree it's REGULATED up unto, & including, banning abortion altogether.......an individual State's Right, not a National blanket Federal Right.

Colorado's new law makes Abortion legal in Colorado far beyond a heartbeat....far beyond viability.....in essence a right to an abortion on demand up until split seconds before the actual delivery of a living human being outside the womb.....after which killing that child is unconditionally deemed MURDER in all 50 States.

States must have the Right to conditionally allow, or most importantly, the Right to unconditionally ban all abortion in total within an individual State's jurisdiction.

The Federal Government has no such Constitutional Power.......never has.....never will have, unless a future Constitutional Amendment authorizes such a new, previously non-existent Power, to the Federal Government.
 

DreamRyderX

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So now you want to limit states’ rights?
No, not at all.......I want what the Founding Fathers intended....a limited & weaker Federal/Central Government, with the greater bulk of governing power to always reside within the hands of the Individual Sovereign States.......closer to a Sovereign, Self-Governing, American People, from whom all power to govern must emanate, & solely with the direct consent of the governed.

Amendment X (1791)

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
 
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HBS Guy

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This:
conditionally allow, or most importantly, the Right to unconditionally ban all abortion
is limiting states’ rights—you want to take away “unconditionally allow!”
 

DreamRyderX

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This is limiting states’ rights—you want to take away “unconditionally allow!”
I wrote the phrase, & it means that the States can set whatever conditions they wish, on how deep they want to restrict abortion or not......

My hopes are that many States will severely limit/restrict abortions, like in Texas, Mississippi, etc.... or outright ban abortions altogether.....Law like in Colorado, would either be an extremely rare exception to the general rule Nationwide, or non-existent at all....

That said, the Right to set conditions will rest securely in the hands of the individual States, & can't be run roughshod over by the Federal Government, to do otherwise.

My prayers are on a United States Supreme Court ruling that the Mississippi Abortion Law is constitutional.......it's in their hands presently to decide......which, if in Mississippi's favor, would in effect return all power to restrict abortions back to the individual States.....Abortion would still be legal due Roe v Wade (for the time being), but the power to restrict them would solely be a State's Issue......


.....Mississippi has asked the court to not only uphold the 15-week ban but overturn Roe v. Wade entirely, which would make SB 612 and other state abortion bans legal under federal law. The court’s conservative justices signaled during oral arguments in the Mississippi case they were likely to side with the state, but it’s still unclear whether they will narrowly uphold the 15-week ban or overturn Roe v. Wade.....
See: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...akes-performing-one-a-felony/?sh=4c29384b2122
 
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HBS Guy

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I remind you: you cannot ban abortions, you can only ban safe, medically supervised abortions and the morning after pill makes much of this moot anyway.

If you were a poor colored woman in one of the backward states like Mississippi, Alabama etc and faced an unwanted pregnancy what would YOU prefer to do? Woman is working two jobs to makes ends meet.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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America's Latest Abortion Law


Source: The National Review

Well, it seems evident.......the Left has thrown down its gauntlet.....

It must sense that SCOTUS is preparing to deliver it's decision, which in comparison to Colorado's decision, wouldn't even get page 5 notoriety.

I sincerely hope that the SCOTUS will hold back it's decision for a while, to justly contemplate any decision(s) it has to eventually render......

You surely know my position.......So, what say you?.......
Why do you cite one extreme position to rationalize/justify another extreme position? This is the fallacy of the excluded middle. And, why do you need to label/categorize people's opinions as either left or right? People are more complex than that. Their views are not always divided along political/party lines. I think the message here for all women is, that it's okay to sleep around, but just don't get pregnant. And for men, if you do get a woman pregnant, you're under no legal obligation to support the child(or the pregnancy).

But in reality, 95% of all abortions occur within the first 13 weeks of gestation. 4% occur between 14-21 weeks of gestation. And, less than 1% occur after 26 weeks(3rd trimester) of gestation. In 2019, this 1% represented 10,000 abortions(in the US). But lets add more context to this 1%.

After 26 weeks of gestation, it is more likely that the mothers actually want to take their pregnancy to term. They don't want to have an abortion. So, what percentage of this 1% late-term abortions was carried out to save the mother's life? What percentage of late-term abortions was because of a medical necessity(lethal fetal anomalies, fibroids, viability issues, anatomical/metabolic anomalies, physical/psychological comorbidities, etc.)? Only fanatics spew-out half-truths without any relevant context. You make it sound like doctors and healthcare professionals, are just waiting for any excuse to terminate the pregnancy(kill the fetus).

I personally don't agree with the Colorado law. But it is a moral disagreement, NOT a rational disagreement. There are many rational/medical reasons that may justify this law. In the end, it is still the woman's decision. NOT MINE! Why don't you just lobby for a law, that the State and Federal government should control all rights to a woman's reproductive processes. And, that all pregnant mothers MUST take their pregnancy to term. NO EXCEPTIONS!! Any woman who has an abortion is to be arrested for fetal manslaughter. Tell me, why aren't pregnant mothers soliciting for an abortion in Texas, NOT complicit principals in a crime?? But those who aid and abet them, are? That would be like arresting the buyers of illegal drugs, but NOT the sellers.
 
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