☆ Abortion Clinics in Liberal U.S. States Expand....Brace for More Patients ☆

DreamRyderX

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Abortion Clinics in Liberal U.S. States Expand
And Brace for More Patients


Source: REUTERS
SACRAMENTO, Calif., Feb 8 (Reuters) - Abortion providers in liberal states are expanding clinics, training more staff and boosting travel assistance to prepare for an influx of patients from conservative states if the U.S. Supreme Court ends the constitutional right to the procedure.

Planned Parenthood is enlarging several clinics in California and has purchased land to build a bigger clinic in Reno, Nevada. In Illinois, abortion providers have set up a logistics center to help make medical care arrangements for women from states where abortion is expected to be restricted.

Clinic operators said they were also increasing services in Minnesota, New York and Virginia ahead of a Supreme Court decision expected by early summer. Many court watchers believe the six-justice conservative majority will weaken or overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that made abortion legal nationwide.

The court's ruling could dramatically curtail abortion access in the United States, where the issue remains politically divisive despite public polling showing a majority of Americans believe the procedure should be legal in all or most cases.

A decision to overturn Roe would trigger laws ending the right to an abortion in 26 states, mostly in the Midwest, South and parts of the West. It would also embolden abortion opponents to seek restrictions in states where it remains legal.

"We are getting ready for this post-Roe world and getting ready to continue to be the safety net for patients from all over the country," said Dr. Jessica Hamilton, associate medical director for abortion services for a Planned Parenthood chapter that covers much of California and Nevada.

Hamilton treats patients seeking abortion care at the organization's Sacramento clinic while protesters march outside. Two days a week, nurse practitioners, physician assistants and medical students work and train alongside doctors, deepening the ranks of providers.

California Governor Gavin Newsom has pledged the state will be a "sanctuary" for U.S. women seeking abortions. Yet divisive politics have complicated efforts to protect and expand access, even in this and other heavily Democratic states.

Stacy Cross, president of the Planned Parenthood chapter that includes California's more conservative Central Valley, is concerned abortion opponents could hinder plans to expand a clinic in Visalia.

Since the city's planning commission approved a larger site for the clinic in December, abortion opponents have called for protesters to speak out against the project when the city council considers it at a meeting next month.

The address of the planned site for a new clinic in Reno has not been released for security and safety reasons, a Planned Parenthood spokeswoman said.

Should Roe get overturned or weakened, anti-abortion advocates said they expect to see increased activism around the issue in all 50 states.

"You're going to see both sides doing whatever they can," said Carol Tobias, president of National Right to Life, an anti-abortion organization.

'REAL STIGMA' AROUND ABORTION

Last year, states passed 10 times more restrictions on abortions than protections, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive rights research and policy organization.

"There’s real stigma around abortion across the country, even in progressive spaces," said Elizabeth Nash, a state policy expert at Guttmacher. With Roe as settled law, many politicians on the left have not grappled with abortion as part of their routine work for nearly 50 years, she said.

Abortion providers got a preview of a post-Roe landscape last year when Texas enacted the country's strictest anti-abortion law, banning the procedure after about six weeks.

Clinics in states including California, Illinois, New Mexico and Oklahoma experienced a surge in patients from Texas, abortion providers said.

"We saw and continue to see this massive ripple effect," said Dr. Colleen McNicholas, chief medical officer for Planned Parenthood of the St. Louis Region and Southwest Missouri.

Last month, in cooperation with a private clinic, McNicholas' group opened a logistics center in Illinois aimed at helping women from Texas and other states travel to obtain abortions.

Whole Woman's Health, which operates four abortion clinics in Texas, recently set up a telehealth office in neighboring New Mexico to serve women seeking medication abortions past six weeks, said Amy Hagstrom Miller, the organization's president and CEO.

To obtain the pills, however, women must provide a New Mexico address where the medication can be mailed and undergo a video exam from a New Mexico location.

"Texas is having a dress rehearsal for what we can expect across the country as Roe is either overturned or further chipped away at," Hagstrom Miller said.

Whole Woman's Health also plans to expand operations in Minnesota. The Upper Midwest state borders several largely rural, conservative states likely to ban or severely restrict abortion if Roe is weakened, Hagstrom Miller said. There are also non-stop flights to Minneapolis/St. Paul from every Texas city where the group operates.


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The United States Supreme Court will be coming to a decision before July 2022. No one knows what that decision will be, but IMHO one thing is for certain, Abortion in America will never be the same as it is now .......

The Court will probably not completely overturn Roe v. Wade, but IMHO this Court will render it's decision giving the power back to the 50 American States to regulate abortion within it's State's jurisdiction, as the American People in these individual States see fit, as it was prior to the Roe v. Wade decision of 1973.


God Bless The United States Constitution!.......God Bless AMERICA!.......

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HBS Guy

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I think abortion is a matter for the woman to decide. Quite frankly, the US has real problems it needs to deal with, the rise of China which is about to overtake the US in manufacturing, in finance etc.

Depriving some poor women in backward states the right to decide about her own body is not something that will help the US in any way.
 

DreamRyderX

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I think abortion is a matter for the woman to decide.......
You are entitled to your own personal opinions on this American Domestic Matter. After all resolution of this matter does not rely upon International personal opinions, but solely by the American People, who will ultimately resolve this issue based on the laws contained within the "People's Document", the US Constitution.

Abortion is America's domestic problem, that will be ultimately resolved Constitutionally via the individual American States, not a Centralized Federal Government that lacks the Constitutional power to enforce rights that don't exist.

The Tenth Amendment spells it out quite well.

Amendment X (1791)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

The US Federal Government's powers, by design, are Constitutionally limited, & it can only exercise powers given to it by the States, & the American People. America was founded to be a Constitutional Republic, where the government derives its power to govern solely through the consent of the American People, based on laws framed within the Constitution of the United States of America....WE THE PEOPLE.......


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HBS Guy

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It is a decision individual women need to make. Fucking politicians can fuck off out of this question.
 

DreamRyderX

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In a pure Democracy maybe, but this is an American Domestic Legal Issue, to be decided upon & determined solely by Americans.

Remember, America is not a Democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic, governed by the Rule of Law......& all laws in the USA must conform with the United States Constitution....period.

If the People do not agree with the Law, or a Law does not exist to their liking, they have the Right to submit a Constitutional Amendment more to their liking, which specifically creates an Abortion Law that will satisfy the American People through their vote to ratify such an amendment into their Constitution, as outlined in Article Five of the United States Constitution.


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HBS Guy

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So don’t make any fucking laws, leave it up to the women and their medical advisors. You realise this crap is about men being unsure/unhappy women can make their own choices now? It will result in more welfare dependency and down the track more crime etc because these STUPID laws only affect the poor and often colored women? Middle class women can always have an abortion in a different state/country.

Can you put yourself in the position of some of the women that will have their lives blighted by these EVIL laws?

1. A teenager doing well in high school gets pregnant—contraception is not 100% reliable. She will have to quit high school and bring up an unwanted baby. Goodbye career.

2. A poor, often colored woman, has 3 kids and is working and her position is frugal comfort. Then another pregnancy, can’t get an abortion, loses job, is welfare dependent for the rest of her life as are her kids. Can you say: drug use and crime?

What possible fucking justification can there be for these evil laws?
 
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DreamRyderX

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So don’t make any fucking laws, leave it up to the women and their medical advisors. You realise this crap is about men being unsure/unhappy women can make their own choices now? It will result in more welfare dependency and down the track more crime etc because these STUPID laws only affect the poor and often colored women? Middle class women can always have an abortion in a different state/country.

Can you put yourself in the position of some of the women that will have their lives blighted by these EVIL laws?

1. A teenager doing well in high school gets pregnant—contraception is not 100% reliable. She will have to quit high school and bring up an unwanted baby. Goodbye career.

2. A poor, often colored woman, has 3 kids and is working and her position is frugal comfort. Then another pregnancy, can’t get an abortion, loses job, is welfare dependent for the rest of her life as are her kids. Can you say: drug use and crime?

What possible fucking justification can there be for these evil laws?
In my previous post I was suggesting a remedy....that the American People.....the ones affected by any & all US laws.....they can band together & propose an Amendment saying exactly what you suggest, & much more if they wish. Then have that presented either to Congress or their local State Legislatures to start the Amendment Process on it's merry way......

Say, name it something like: The 28th Amendment......A Woman's Ironclad Right to an Abortion, Free of Any & All Governmental Infringement, be it Local, State, or Federal.

Once adopted it would become the Law of the Land......A distinct, permanent, & protected part of the United States Constitution. A question of A Woman's Right to an Abortion will no longer be questionable.....it would be absolute......period.

Now, get a few American friends/citizens Stateside motivated to start the ball rollin' Monk......your wishes are within yours & their grasp.....

What are you waiting for? Make hay while the sun is shinin'!!
 

DreamRyderX

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Americans are divided on abortion.
The Supreme Court may not wait for minds to change


.....Although public opinion on abortion has budged little in the ensuing decades and the nation is still bitterly divided, the Supreme Court appears poised to overturn or at least significantly weaken its landmark abortion ruling, Roe v. Wade, decided 49 years ago.....
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Source: NPR
When he was running for president in 1999, George W. Bush, then governor of Texas, famously fended off the strong anti-abortion wing of his party by suggesting the country ought not consider banning abortion until public opinion shifted further in that direction. "Laws are changed as minds are persuaded," he said.

Bush was no moderate on the abortion issue. As president he signed several pieces of anti-abortion legislation, including the first federal ban on a specific abortion procedure, and used his authority to severely limit federally funded research on embryonic stem cells.

But he was clear in urging anti-abortion allies to concentrate on persuading more Americans to take their side before pushing for broader restrictions. "I know as you return to your communities you will redouble your efforts to change hearts and minds, one person at a time," he told anti-abortion demonstrators at the annual March for Life rally in 2004. "This is the way we will build a lasting culture of life, a compassionate society in which every child is born into a loving family and protected by law."

For many years after that, anti-abortion forces concentrated on more incremental steps, such as putting burdensome health and safety requirements on abortion clinics and requiring waiting periods before abortions.

It seems that strategy is about to be tested. Although public opinion on abortion has budged little in the ensuing two decades and the nation is still bitterly divided, the Supreme Court appears poised to overturn or at least significantly weaken its landmark abortion ruling, Roe v. Wade, decided 49 years ago this week.

Sometime in the coming weeks or months, justices will decide in a case from Mississippi whether bans on abortion before fetal viability can be constitutional. During those arguments in December, most of the justices in the court's new conservative majority seemed to question the constitutional foundation of the nearly 50-year-old precedent that guarantees the right to abortion nationwide.

If a majority answers yes to allowing Mississippi's ban at 15 weeks of pregnancy, "that undoes Roe," said Marjorie Dannenfelser, who, as president of the Susan B. Anthony List, has been working toward that goal since the organization's 1992 founding.

Abortion-rights supporters also expect Roe to be overturned. In Texas, all but abortions performed in a pregnancy's earliest stages have been unavailable since September because of a legal standoff over a state law that bans abortions after six weeks but leaves enforcement to the general public, by authorizing civil suits against anyone who performs an abortion or "aids and abets" one.

"Roe has no meaning," Dr. Bhavik Kumar, a San Antonio abortion physician, told reporters on a conference call Jan. 18. "We're living in a place where abortion is essentially banned." Kumar said the Texas law, which the Supreme Court refused to block last month, means abortion is illegal "as soon as 10 days after a missed period for some women."

Dannenfelser said that even if the justices roll back Roe, groups like hers still want Americans to come to a consensus on the abortion issue, but it may not be a national agreement. "But that's what consensus is, it's the consensus of people living in [each] state," she said. "So it will be different in Alabama than in North Carolina, which will be different from the state of Washington, from Texas."

And what if lawmakers turn out to be more anti-abortion than the people who elected them? "They get unelected," she said, but she also envisions the question working the other way. "And if they're not strong enough in their convictions on life, they'll be unelected."

Abortion-rights supporters say the public discussion has too long been marked by a lack of transparency. "We've had a decade-long campaign of misinformation and disinformation," said Kumar. "When people understand reality, when they understand science," he said, "it has a profound difference on their opinion."

That's where the Turnaway Study comes in. It's a 10-year look at nearly 1,000 women at 30 abortion clinics who got abortions or were "turned away" because they were too far along in their pregnancies. "We were interested in answering the question 'Does abortion hurt women?'" said Diana Greene Foster, the study's lead researcher and author of the book The Turnaway Study: Ten Years, a Thousand Women, and the Consequences of Having — Or Being Denied — An Abortion. Abortion foes for years have claimed that abortion harms women's mental health and causes physical problems as well.

Data from the Turnaway Study has resulted in the publication of more than 50 peer-reviewed studies, and the answer to nearly all the questions asked, said Foster, is that the women who got abortions fared better in respect to economics and health, including their mental health, compared with those who did not have abortions.

"We see large immediate differences in the economic well-being where women who were denied abortions are more likely to be poor, less likely to be employed, more likely to say they don't have enough money for basic living needs," she said.

Yet that's not what much of the public hears. "It's so interesting that this idea that abortion hurts women has gone so far with no data, and that the idea that being denied an abortion hurts women has not yet carried in the same way," Foster said.

And in the end, public opinion really shouldn't even matter that much, argues Dr. Jamila Perritt, who is an obstetrician/gynecologist and abortion provider in Washington, D.C., and president and CEO of the abortion-rights advocacy group Physicians for Reproductive Health. "When you need access" to abortion care, she said, "the opinion of other people, who know nothing about your life, means little."

But it may help determine whether — and where — legal abortion remains available.

As I said, it is unknown exactly how the United States Supreme Court will rule on these matters. Will they completely overturn Roe v. Wade, or as most suggest, they will gut it to a degree but leave Roe stand to some degree returning the right to overall restriction of abortion back to the individual States, as it was prior to the 1973 landmark Supreme Court decision creating a new Right to an unfettered abortion?


We shall see what we shall see.

Whatever the Courts decision, abortions will still unfortunately take place....some illegally, but far more innocent infant lives will be spared the brutality of being ripped to shreds by the murderous abortionists...........

God Bless The United States Constitution.....
God Bless AMERICA!..

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HBS Guy

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No, this “far more innocent infant lives will be spared the brutality of being ripped to shreds by the murderous abortionists...........” is bullshit.

Abortion removes a fetus, not an infant. You are spouting crap Party-Political propaganda. Any unwanted pregnancy forced (that is what the law does, removes the woman’s choice to do what she wishes with her body, her sexual hygiene) will be an unwanted child born exclusively to poor and colored women. As I explained, this will lead to welfare dependency, drug use and crime.

Fortunately, the morning–after pill makes a lot of the law moot anyway.

The USA can no longer call itself a free country when half its population is not free.
 

DreamRyderX

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No, this “far more innocent infant lives will be spared the brutality of being ripped to shreds by the murderous abortionists...........” is bullshit.

Abortion removes a fetus, not an infant. You are spouting crap Party-Political propaganda. Any unwanted pregnancy forced (that is what the law does, removes the woman’s choice to do what she wishes with her body, her sexual hygiene) will be an unwanted child born exclusively to poor and colored women. As I explained, this will lead to welfare dependency, drug use and crime.

Fortunately, the morning–after pill makes a lot of the law moot anyway.

The USA can no longer call itself a free country when half its population is not free.
BUT, nothing you have said disproves the results that I've stated......So I repeat, & stand by my statement:

Whatever the Courts decision, abortions will still unfortunately take place....some illegally, but far more innocent infant lives will be spared the brutality of being ripped to shreds by the murderous abortionists...........
 

hatty

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C'mon monk.... DRX stated in his own writing....abortion should be decided "solely by Americans"

can't you see silly...... DRX doesn't see women as Americans........ Duh!

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DreamRyderX

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C'mon monk.... DRX stated in his own writing....abortion should be decided only "solely by Americans"

can't you see silly...... DRX doesn't see women as Americans........ Duh!

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Well, this is but one thread of two that I've started in this "US Politics" forum where Abortion is presented for discussion.......Abortion in America (not anywhere else)......Abortion overseen & subject to American Law (not under any other legal system), so being such, only Americans.....Men & Women.....will be deciding (not people living anywhere else in the world) so Americans.....Men & Women.....will be deciding if Abortion in America is going to remain legal or not, & which Americans.....Men & Women....will be determining what restrictions on Abortions....if any.....will apply if abortions are still legal in America (not anywhere else in the world).

BTW.....JFYI.........As of 2021 a Gallop Poll found that American women are extremely divided over Abortion Rights.

Most American women are Pro-Choice (favor a Right to an Abortion) by a majority of
52% to 43%.



⮞ ⮞ ⮞ Over 40% of ALL American Women disagree with a Woman's Right to have an abortion!!!⮜ ⮜ ⮜

Seems that American Women are also very opinionated on issues that affect them. I don't know about you, but I knew a lot of American women were pro-life, but 43% is none to shabby......


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Squire

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Well, this is but one thread of two that I've started in this "US Politics" forum where Abortion is presented for discussion.......Abortion in America (not anywhere else)......Abortion overseen & subject to American Law (not under any other legal system), so being such, only Americans.....Men & Women.....will be deciding (not people living anywhere else in the world) so Americans.....Men & Women.....will be deciding if Abortion in America is going to remain legal or not, & which Americans.....Men & Women....will be determining what restrictions on Abortions....if any.....will apply if abortions are still legal in America (not anywhere else in the world).

BTW.....JFYI.........As of 2021 a Gallop Poll found that American women are extremely divided over Abortion Rights.


Most American women are Pro-Choice (favor a Right to an Abortion) by a majority of
52% to 43%.



⮞ ⮞ ⮞ Over 40% of ALL American Women disagree with a Woman's Right to have an abortion!!!⮜ ⮜ ⮜

Seems that American Women are also very opinionated on issues that affect them. I don't know about you, but I knew a lot of American women were pro-life, but 43% is none to shabby......


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Speaking of abortion, how is DreamRyderxxx's idol Donald Trump doing?

Are you sending money to Donald?
 

hatty

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Well, this is but one thread of two that I've started in this "US Politics" forum where Abortion is presented for discussion.......Abortion in America (not anywhere else)......Abortion overseen & subject to American Law (not under any other legal system), so being such, only Americans.....Men & Women.....will be deciding (not people living anywhere else in the world) so Americans.....Men & Women.....will be deciding if Abortion in America is going to remain legal or not, & which Americans.....Men & Women....will be determining what restrictions on Abortions....if any.....will apply if abortions are still legal in America (not anywhere else in the world).

BTW.....JFYI.........As of 2021 a Gallop Poll found that American women are extremely divided over Abortion Rights.

Most American women are Pro-Choice (favor a Right to an Abortion) by a majority of
52% to 43%.



⮞ ⮞ ⮞ Over 40% of ALL American Women disagree with a Woman's Right to have an abortion!!!⮜ ⮜ ⮜

Seems that American Women are also very opinionated on issues that affect them. I don't know about you, but I knew a lot of American women were pro-life, but 43% is none to shabby......


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you lot wish to let rich, powerful, white, (or orange) men decide for women.

I don't see any of this actually going to a vote both at state and federal level...... just the aforementioned rich, powerful, white, (or orange) men in politics. polls mean three fifths of fuck all!

you can keep that shit.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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The Court will probably not completely overturn Roe v. Wade, but IMHO this Court will render it's decision giving the power back to the 50 American States to regulate abortion within it's State's jurisdiction, as the American People in these individual States see fit, as it was prior to the Roe v. Wade decision of 1973.
Prior to Roe vs Wade, 30 states banned all abortions for any reason. 16 states banned all abortions, except for rape, incest, and the health of the mother. Only 4 states had legalized abortion(California, Alaska, Hawaii, and New York) in the US.

Since 20-25% of all pregnancies will end in an abortion, hundreds of young mothers have died each year from their unwanted pregnancies. Thousands of pregnant mothers were forced to go underground to find illegal abortion providers. Or, would induce their own abortions medically or mechanically. Ahhh yes, the good old days! Hundreds of mothers grieving over their dead daughters. And thousands of people claiming the responsibility for saving the lives of the innocent unborn. Where the selfish who sacrifice the least, are the ones claiming the most!

One thing that has always bothered me. Prochoice advocates believe in preserving the mother's right to choose to be a mother or not. As well as her God-given right to control her own reproductive system. Prochoice advocates don't give a shit if any pregnant mother wants to take their pregnancy to term. And, they have never lobbied for laws and polices, that would force any pregnant women to have an abortion(rape incest, or health of mother). So why do you impose your views onto these people? Why are you so right, and they are so wrong? If women feel the same as you, then they simply don't have to have an abortion. Why can't you afford this same freedom to all women?? It is NOT your body, or your responsibility.

I'm also curious, since no government would prosecute/persecute men for not wearing a condom during sex. Or, force them to provide for the pregnancy they caused. I wonder if people like you are only punishing pregnant women, because you are really upset/angry because you were NOT involved???

The worse that will happen with any abortion ban, is that women will be forced to go underground, or to use whatever method they can to end their pregnancy. You will have accomplished nothing. Except to end the lives of future mothers, and the lives of future babies. And, all for something that was absolutely none of your business.

If Roe vs Wade is overturned, or made impotent, then the Constitution of the US is no longer a politically neutral document. The Justices are no longer impartial or politically objective. If abortion is banned, and the privacy rights of all women are ignored, then the Constitution's Supremacy Clause is just a toothless joke. And, any state government can now just ignore it. And, can now make-up whatever laws they want. The people of the states should decide? You mean like slavery, due process violations, separate but equal laws, open discrimination, Jim Crow, lynching, executing a 12(girl) and 14yo(boy), etc.? States deciding, no fucking way!! Unless of course, you're White with power and privilege.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Well, this is but one thread of two that I've started in this "US Politics" forum where Abortion is presented for discussion.......Abortion in America (not anywhere else)......Abortion overseen & subject to American Law (not under any other legal system), so being such, only Americans.....Men & Women.....will be deciding (not people living anywhere else in the world) so Americans.....Men & Women.....will be deciding if Abortion in America is going to remain legal or not, & which Americans.....Men & Women....will be determining what restrictions on Abortions....if any.....will apply if abortions are still legal in America (not anywhere else in the world).

BTW.....JFYI.........As of 2021 a Gallop Poll found that American women are extremely divided over Abortion Rights.


Most American women are Pro-Choice (favor a Right to an Abortion) by a majority of
52% to 43%.



⮞ ⮞ ⮞ Over 40% of ALL American Women disagree with a Woman's Right to have an abortion!!!⮜ ⮜ ⮜

Seems that American Women are also very opinionated on issues that affect them. I don't know about you, but I knew a lot of American women were pro-life, but 43% is none to shabby......


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Of the 43%, how many favored exceptions, and other viability restrictions? Better yet, lets see your source.
 

DreamRyderX

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you lot wish to let rich, powerful, white, (or orange) men decide for women.

I don't see any of this actually going to a vote both at state and federal level...... just the aforementioned rich, powerful, white, (or orange) men in politics. polls mean three fifths of fuck all!

you can keep that shit.
Au contraire mon ami......

It could go to a vote on both Federal & State levels......

Here's how:

If anyone really cared about a woman's Right to an Abortion, they could get Congress to vote on a Constitutional Amendment codifying A 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution stating that "A Woman has a Right to an Abortion".

On the Federal Level this would be a entail a vote in both the United States House of Representatives, & the United States Senate.

Once passed as prescribed in Article V of the United States Constitution, it would then go to a vote in all 50 States in the United States.

Once the Amendment is Approved as prescribed in Article V of the United States Constitution by the American People, it then becomes an Amendment to the United States Constitution, & being such, becomes The Law of the Land.......

Women would then have the Right to exercise their unfettered Right to kill their unborn in all 50 States of the United States.......

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