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Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Bongalong » 01 Feb 2020, 19:38

There is such a thing as responsibility in Journalism... :tweed

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Coronavirus: "A real psychosis sets in in Hong Kong"

Paris Match | Posted on 1/31/2020 at 5:55 p.m.
Interview by Yannick Vely

Romain L., who works in the Retail sector in Hong Kong, testifies for Paris Match of the situation in the city at a time when the new coronavirus is rampant in China.

"A real psychosis has settled in the archipelago". Returning to Switzerland for business, Romain L. has lived in Hong Kong for over ten years and should return there next week, testifies to the situation in the former British colony. "Everything started here during the Chinese New Year last weekend," he explains, while the nCov coronavirus is prevalent mainly in mainland China and the Wuhan region.

Ten cases were identified in Hong Kong, which was enough to cause panic. "Schools are closed, companies are slowing down and many are teleworking," he adds. “I have never seen the city so empty. The hotels and restaurants are deserted and we have no visibility on the future ”, further describes Romain. “Since the virus comes from China, many wealthy Chinese from the south of the country are pouring in. "There is a shortage of masks and disinfectants so people prefer to stay at home."

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/824048-discussion-videos-news-reports-various-information-about-what-is-going-on-in-the-blocked-off-cities-in-china/page5
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Bongalong » 01 Feb 2020, 20:01

For instance:

"The number of people known to have coronavirus in Australia hit nine when a 42-year-old ­Chinese woman from Wuhan ­tested positive on Queensland’s Gold Coast. She had been ­travelling in a tour group of nine, including another Wuhan man, 44, who fell ill after a two-hour flight from Melbourne and was found on Thursday to be infected. Tests on a sick child who was with them are pending."

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/science/coronavirus-deadlier-than-it-looks-virologist-warns/news-story/3ff079f3358984b5cce7c56444538369

The above is unclear.... :yak yak
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 01 Feb 2020, 22:51

wELL, it has been named as a pandemic now. Slightly more serious than an epidemic I should think.
But hey, I'm not a doctor.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Bongalong » 02 Feb 2020, 00:09

pinkeye wrote:wELL, it has been named as a pandemic now. Slightly more serious than an epidemic I should think.
But hey, I'm not a doctor.

I think they are very careful about using such words: panic is not a good thing and mis-information is even worse.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 02 Feb 2020, 01:43

oh the panic is ON.

a slow burn at the moment.

Already though we have examples of major concern from governments. Like .. sending everyone to Christmas Island FFS.!

IF cases around the world keep increasing … expect anything. :tweed

It has long been the concern of medical specialists around the world about the risk of a virus, just like this, which will run rampant through major population centres...

I think there is a point at which the number of new sufferers indicate it is out of control. Critical Mass.

No-one is saying that at the moment BUT..

it's always only been a matter of time... according to those who know, and this could be that time. :sad

If it is......stock up ..and stay home.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby mothra » 03 Feb 2020, 18:00

pinkeye wrote:oh the panic is ON.

a slow burn at the moment.

Already though we have examples of major concern from governments. Like .. sending everyone to Christmas Island FFS.!

IF cases around the world keep increasing … expect anything. :tweed

It has long been the concern of medical specialists around the world about the risk of a virus, just like this, which will run rampant through major population centres...

I think there is a point at which the number of new sufferers indicate it is out of control. Critical Mass.

No-one is saying that at the moment BUT..

it's always only been a matter of time... according to those who know, and this could be that time. :sad

If it is......stock up ..and stay home.



It's not that time. This virus isn't as bad as other types in it's family, SARS and MERS. It's really not going to kill us all.

It's good there is a healthy reaction to it and it's a great dry run for when the big one hits ... but this isn't it.

Relax people.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby johnsmith » 03 Feb 2020, 19:53

Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?


probably not

but if they didn't stir up a bit of a panic and instead treated it like a common cold , it would soon become an epidemic
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Chuck » 03 Feb 2020, 21:10

Bongalong wrote:I think they are very careful about using such words: panic is not a good thing and mis-information is even worse.
Since the Intellects on this site couldn’t or chosen to ignore a valid question for any explanation, why the lack of viruses coming out of India.

This could be one explanation for the denial of copy of the coronavirus to other countries and the World Health Organisation.
The source for the following is 'The Times"

In late December, eight medics in Wuhan raised the alarm on an internet chat group about the apparent resurgence of Sars, the deadly virus that broke out in southern China in 2002.

Taxi drivers in the central Chinese city told passengers a scary disease was striking people down and word spread around the markets that are a key source of news in this totalitarian state.

The communist authorities reacted with speed — not to warn about the emergence of what turned out to be a new coronavirus related to Sars, but to punish those who shared sensitive information without approval.

The whistleblowers, including at least one doctor who contracted the virus from his patients, were detained by police and forced to confess wrongdoing. The health workers were given “education” and “criticism” for “rumour-mongering”, officials said.
When Chinese websites picked up on the doctors’ concerns, their content was censored, while other medics were ordered to keep silent as Wuhan prepared to host a meeting of senior communist cadres.

When something goes this badly wrong in China, the system requires a scapegoat. And in a country where state propaganda lauds President Xi Jinping and his regime for omniscient guidance of the country, underlings have to carry the can.

That blame game has now been launched. In a highly unusual intervention, Wuhan’s police were reprimanded by the Supreme Court for their treatment of the medics who shared online that sick patients were being held in isolation wards several weeks ago.
“It might have been a fortunate thing if the public had believed the ‘rumour’ then and started to wear masks and carry out sanitisation measures, and avoid the wild animal market,” the highest court noted via its mouthpiece.

Zhou Xianwang, Wuhan’s mayor, is also widely reported to face dismissal. In an appearance on state television, he gave the obligatory self-criticism for his failings. But, tellingly, he also noted that he needed to await approval from his superiors to disclose details of the outbreak.

“The central government blaming local officials is a time-honoured tradition in China,” said Richard McGregor, a China expert at Sydney’s Lowy Institute think tank and author of Xi Jinping: The Backlash. “But it beggars belief that Beijing either didn’t know or couldn’t find out what was happening in Wuhan, given the reports and leaks that were circulating.


Sneaking in my speculation that it could have been a bio-weapon,that got out of control.
I found the following article that makes reference to that possibility!


Coronavirus may have origins in China’s biological warfare lab in Wuhan

The Washington Times reported the link with China’s biological weapons quoting an Israeli biological warfare expert
According to the report, Radio Free Asia this week rebroadcast a local Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced vir laboratory known as the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.

Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese bio warfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert weapons programme......

Asked if the new coronavirus may have leaked, Shoham said: "In principle, outward virus in infiltration might take place either as leakage or as unnoticed infection of a person that normally went out of the concerned facility. This could have been the case with the Wuhan Institute of Virology there isn't evidence or indication for such incident."

The former Israeli military intelligence doctor also said suspicions were raised about the institute when a group of Chinese virologists working improperly sent samples to China of what he said were some of the deadliest viruses on earth, including the Ebola virus.

So there appears that my conspiracy theory had credibility!
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby mothra » 03 Feb 2020, 23:09

Firstly Chuck, there are plenty of viruses in India. There are different types of viruses, y'know. This one is not spectacular in making the leap from animals and the incidence of collecting animals in confined spaces increases the liklihood of zoogenic viral combination but not all viruses start that way.

And not all nasty, scary ones either.

So you've really just stated the bleeding obvious and made out like you're clever. We'd noticed that this one came from animals and that having animals was an important step. Thanks. India has plenty of animals, by the way. And animal born disease.

As to it being a bio-weapon. Get your hand off it. You're being preposterous.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 03 Feb 2020, 23:13

Only time will tell.

May you live in interesting times.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby mothra » 03 Feb 2020, 23:17

pinkeye wrote:Only time will tell.

May you live in interesting times.



Wrong kind of interesting ... but interesting nonetheless.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 03 Feb 2020, 23:49

I think this is likely just another storm in a teacup.

The full facts about this Novel Coronavirus are not yet understood.

Interesting it is called Novel ......
because if you look up the definition of Novel.. I prefer paper..in a Dictionary.. It means strikingly new, unusual , or different.


Yeah thanks for the input Mothra.

I, myself, don't think this is it, either. But hey M..? I'm not a doctor.
My big sister was, tho.
IF we actually are hearing the truth.

Who believes pollies these days.? :roll
spread and mortality will tell us ............

Until that is understood...

no-one knows.

I'm not bothered, personally, because I doubt it can reach that critical mass.

However...
People are dying.. there is no denying that. and the virus is spreading.. ditto..

slow and steady wins the race. :sad .


Ebola Virus is unlikely to escape mainland Africa, ( if we take today as a guide) .... it kills it's host off too quickly.

but the NCV,, hey I'm just calling it that here... who knows what others label it, but for the purposes of this topic, the NCV is spreading outside of China.

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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby mothra » 03 Feb 2020, 23:58

It's got a mortality rate of about 2%, Pink. That's pretty low. Sure it's hiugh enough if you or a loved one is in the 2% but as far as pandemics go, this is small fry.

SARS and MERS are loads worse and we contained them okay. This virus and they are in the same family. So are many of what we pass off as the common cold. This causes pneumonia in the vulnerable. Horrible if it happens but most people survive pneumonia these days.

It's dangerous to the immuno-compromised ... and as far as nasty bugs go, not the worst.

And trust the CDC and WHO. They'll overreact before they'll hush something up.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 04 Feb 2020, 03:08

Don't get me wrong Mothra….

only the Chinese Govt is likely to be covering anything up.

Face.. is important. But ,who knows..?

I do not know, and don't claim to know how all this will pan out.

I see no need to panic.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Dax » 04 Feb 2020, 05:08

In my opinion, these viruses are a result of the eating of animal products, which weaken the human immune system and provide a perfect environment for mutation. Whether they will mutate to the stage where they can't be combated, is another question and one we won't know until to late. Each time someone gets sick with a virus, their system becomes more and more prone to attack and that's why the incidence of death from pneumonia is growing. Pneumonia, is just the body becoming totally saturated with toxic waste and unable to store it or fight against the growing amount of viral contamination it suffers. So the system fails and release all the toxins at once, the immune system can't cope and their drugs can't fight against the constantly adapting viruses. People still refuse to accept that it's not the drugs that fix the problem, it;s the immune system. All the drugs do is suppress the symptoms so the immune system can work and the body can cope, but that's failing now.

During the plagues centuries ago, it was the same scenario, sickness grew throughout the urban areas until the infections had mutated to the point where they were unstoppable and human diets and lifestyle gave them the best environment to grow and adapt.

Same scenario today, we have seen these viruses started out as the common cold, or flu and over the last 4 decades have developed and adapted to the point where now, they are almost unstoppable. Yet all the clones continue down the same path of eating what is killing them.

Blood cancers which now total over 100 types, is rapidly growing and this is a sign of the human bodies inability to cope with the toxic chemical profit growth diets they grovel in. When you add urban living, is no different to living in a toxic poisonous tip, the future is not hard to gauge. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby mothra » 04 Feb 2020, 07:13

Dax wrote:In my opinion, these viruses are a result of the eating of animal products, which weaken the human immune system and provide a perfect environment for mutation. Whether they will mutate to the stage where they can't be combated, is another question and one we won't know until to late. Each time someone gets sick with a virus, their system becomes more and more prone to attack and that's why the incidence of death from pneumonia is growing. Pneumonia, is just the body becoming totally saturated with toxic waste and unable to store it or fight against the growing amount of viral contamination it suffers. So the system fails and release all the toxins at once, the immune system can't cope and their drugs can't fight against the constantly adapting viruses. People still refuse to accept that it's not the drugs that fix the problem, it;s the immune system. All the drugs do is suppress the symptoms so the immune system can work and the body can cope, but that's failing now.

During the plagues centuries ago, it was the same scenario, sickness grew throughout the urban areas until the infections had mutated to the point where they were unstoppable and human diets and lifestyle gave them the best environment to grow and adapt.

Same scenario today, we have seen these viruses started out as the common cold, or flu and over the last 4 decades have developed and adapted to the point where now, they are almost unstoppable. Yet all the clones continue down the same path of eating what is killing them.

Blood cancers which now total over 100 types, is rapidly growing and this is a sign of the human bodies inability to cope with the toxic chemical profit growth diets they grovel in. When you add urban living, is no different to living in a toxic poisonous tip, the future is not hard to gauge. :rofl :rofl :rofl


Oh honey, none of that is true.

Lord knows what whack-a-doodle stuff you've been reading but i sincerely doubt even any of that's authors intended you to get it all so very wrong.

The only thing you've managed to get right is that the overall health of the person exposed to the virus is important ... but seriously, not how you mean it.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby hatty » 04 Feb 2020, 07:36

SARS was the same just way worse.

crappy scribes only have one agenda..... to sell ad space and clickbait.

misinformation is far more powerful and insidious than dax's toxic world and adds to it at the same time.

its a shame so many humans buy into it because they are not stupid....... just misinformed
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Dax » 04 Feb 2020, 08:49

mothra wrote:
Dax wrote:In my opinion, these viruses are a result of the eating of animal products, which weaken the human immune system and provide a perfect environment for mutation. Whether they will mutate to the stage where they can't be combated, is another question and one we won't know until to late. Each time someone gets sick with a virus, their system becomes more and more prone to attack and that's why the incidence of death from pneumonia is growing. Pneumonia, is just the body becoming totally saturated with toxic waste and unable to store it or fight against the growing amount of viral contamination it suffers. So the system fails and release all the toxins at once, the immune system can't cope and their drugs can't fight against the constantly adapting viruses. People still refuse to accept that it's not the drugs that fix the problem, it;s the immune system. All the drugs do is suppress the symptoms so the immune system can work and the body can cope, but that's failing now.

During the plagues centuries ago, it was the same scenario, sickness grew throughout the urban areas until the infections had mutated to the point where they were unstoppable and human diets and lifestyle gave them the best environment to grow and adapt.

Same scenario today, we have seen these viruses started out as the common cold, or flu and over the last 4 decades have developed and adapted to the point where now, they are almost unstoppable. Yet all the clones continue down the same path of eating what is killing them.

Blood cancers which now total over 100 types, is rapidly growing and this is a sign of the human bodies inability to cope with the toxic chemical profit growth diets they grovel in. When you add urban living, is no different to living in a toxic poisonous tip, the future is not hard to gauge. :rofl :rofl :rofl


Oh honey, none of that is true.

Lord knows what whack-a-doodle stuff you've been reading but i sincerely doubt even any of that's authors intended you to get it all so very wrong.

The only thing you've managed to get right is that the overall health of the person exposed to the virus is important ... but seriously, not how you mean it.


Off course you'd disagree, your lifestyles demand you do, otherwise you'd be just another hypocrite, so how's your sensible approach working for human health and your own. Whack-a-doodle stuff, is the denial of reality supporting the never ending claims of the pharmaceutical and medical industry, against the known scientific facts.

If the wankers you support were right, we wouldn't have these growing viral problems and we wouldn't have a rapidly rising illness and death from cancers, viruses and other debilitating diseases that is a verifiable fact.

I have worked in environments where viral infection is see constantly every day. Have watched as it goes through customers and staff, yet since my lifestyle change, have never had a cold, flu or got sick. others tel me I;m immune, but the truth is until I changed was a very sick person, many colds, tonsillitis, rheumatism, stiff joints, feeling crook a number of times a week and going to a quack regularly to get medication that they said would help. Now the only time been to a doctor in the last 4 decades, is when I broke my knee and left hand. Take no medication, never go or need to go to chemists as the smells would almost kill me.

Denial seems your middle name, you must be related to many billions of clones who are exactly the same. IN a way it;as good thing, it will mean ideological humanity is creating their own demise, health wise and environmentally. Nothing like committing suicide by living in deep denial.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Feb 2020, 10:36

blah blah blah.

FYI, idiot, mothra is a vegetarian.

Mum ate meat most of her life (scarce under nazi occupation especially the last “Hunger Winter”) loved dairy esp cheese, ate eggs etc etc, had a fairly hard life at times etc—turns 99 in 19 days time. Aged 90+, fell and hit her head pretty hard on the pavement slabs—took her to Emergency, XRays done etc—no damage to bone or brain, think that dairy intake helped her! I have to take a medicine that leaches calcium from bones. I also love dairy and when I had a bone density scan done my bones were only a little bit soft, I now take two caltrate+VitD daily. Dairy obviously did me no harm either, or eggs. Sister turned vegetarian, had stopped eating dairy before that, drinking foul soy “milk” and SHE has soft bones and anemia! You know nothing much!

You crap on and on and on with complete bullshit post after post as if only YOU have a clue and I am fucking sick of that!

Change your attitude, you are not wiser than us. You also lie: one day you tell us you got a MSc, next you tell us you left school after year 8.

Argue your case, present your opinions but don’t tell us what to do, how to live, OK?
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Lols » 04 Feb 2020, 12:05

This is a new unseen virus, and no one knows how it will react. It could still be infective from people that have recovered, so there are still question marks about this particular virus.
This video is a must see, only 16 minutes long, but at around 12 minutes talks about the infectiveness.

https://youtu.be/P_3hNPTofEU
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Lols » 04 Feb 2020, 12:23

20,000 people infected and rising...see update on stats wu flu

https://www.wuflu.live/
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Postby Lols » 04 Feb 2020, 12:39

mothra wrote:It's got a mortality rate of about 2%, Pink. That's pretty low. Sure it's hiugh enough if you or a loved one is in the 2% but as far as pandemics go, this is small fry.

SARS and MERS are loads worse and we contained them okay. This virus and they are in the same family. So are many of what we pass off as the common cold. This causes pneumonia in the vulnerable. Horrible if it happens but most people survive pneumonia these days.

It's dangerous to the immuno-compromised ... and as far as nasty bugs go, not the worst.

And trust the CDC and WHO. They'll overreact before they'll hush something up.


It’s now 3.1% mortality rate
As explained in this latest vid

https://youtu.be/kuRJD8ZxDLk
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Chuck » 04 Feb 2020, 13:15

mothra wrote:Firstly Chuck, there are plenty of viruses in India. There are different types of viruses, y'know. This one is not spectacular in making the leap from animals and the incidence of collecting animals in confined spaces increases the liklihood of zoogenic viral combination but not all viruses start that way.

And not all nasty, scary ones either.

So you've really just stated the bleeding obvious and made out like you're clever. We'd noticed that this one came from animals and that having animals was an important step. Thanks. India has plenty of animals, by the way. And animal born disease.

As to it being a bio-weapon. Get your hand off it. You're being preposterous.
U chosen to make fun of the term viruses!

Anyone, with commonsense knows that viruses exist all over the world but the question I posed, "why do the scary ones predominantly come out of China; why the delay in warning the rest of the world and refusing to supply a copy".

These are simply valid questions and nothing to do with being a smart-arse!

I thought of India, simply because of the following consideration, population numbers, closeness or cramped living conditions, and environmental cleanness between them.

What some posters area forgetting, with the Ebola outbreak, the virus was contained because the majority of Africans in the infected areas couldn’t afford to travel.

The difference is that the Chinese population are like the swarm of locusts that is currently plaguing Africa. The concern is that they have the ability to spread this virus thru out the globe with them being able to afford to travel.

Within mainland China, townships, villages and cities streets are being barricading themselves in, to keep out people from different suburbs as part of their contamination control. - ABC and SBS news.

Maybe, the local approach is the correct way because economic interests come before people’s health in many Western countries.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Dax » 04 Feb 2020, 15:04

HBS Guy wrote:blah blah blah.

FYI, idiot, mothra is a vegetarian.

Mum ate meat most of her life (scarce under nazi occupation especially the last “Hunger Winter”) loved dairy esp cheese, ate eggs etc etc, had a fairly hard life at times etc—turns 99 in 19 days time. Aged 90+, fell and hit her head pretty hard on the pavement slabs—took her to Emergency, XRays done etc—no damage to bone or brain, think that dairy intake helped her! I have to take a medicine that leaches calcium from bones. I also love dairy and when I had a bone density scan done my bones were only a little bit soft, I now take two caltrate+VitD daily. Dairy obviously did me no harm either, or eggs. Sister turned vegetarian, had stopped eating dairy before that, drinking foul soy “milk” and SHE has soft bones and anemia! You know nothing much!

You crap on and on and on with complete bullshit post after post as if only YOU have a clue and I am fucking sick of that!

Change your attitude, you are not wiser than us. You also lie: one day you tell us you got a MSc, next you tell us you left school after year 8.

Argue your case, present your opinions but don’t tell us what to do, how to live, OK?


Just about all supposed vegetarians eat diary products and processed foods, which doesn't make them a vegetarian and I have never claimed to be a vegetarian, just an eater of good clean natural foods.

Of course you're sick of being reminded of your constant failings in life, most people are and if you entered the realm of change, you may not feel so guilty and pissed off when its commented on. I don't like being reminded of my failings and faults, luckily it's me that reminds me of those and no one else.

Yes I do have a MSc, and left school at 8. If you actually read my posts, you'd know I entered Uni in my late 20's when they introduced the mature age entry without the requirement for formal school qualifications. I like many others underwent an aptitude/question/answer test for the course we wanted to do and luckily was accepted to my astonishment and only did it for a dare, but glad I did.

Have never said I'm wiser than anyone, what I post is mostly what I've learnt during my life and reading lots. If you don't like what I post, ban me, just like you've banned me from the supposed members section. Which just shows how biased, petty and prejudiced you really are.

As for the rest of your post, you should read it then think of the times you've said you had arthritis or rheumatism and had a cold, or flu, not sure which and are a result of eating diaries. Your mother grew up on clean good food, no chemicals and no processing, I grew up like that as well to begin with until 8, then it was just junk from bins mostly.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Bongalong » 04 Feb 2020, 17:10

Lols wrote:This is a new unseen virus, and no one knows how it will react. It could still be infective from people that have recovered, so there are still question marks about this particular virus.
This video is a must see, only 16 minutes long, but at around 12 minutes talks about the infectiveness.

https://youtu.be/P_3hNPTofEU

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