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The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Auggie » 11 Aug 2019, 14:02



Here is an interesting debate between a Progressive Michael Brooks vs a Conservative Sargon of Akkad. I found it yesterday and I feel it really outlines the crucial difference in how the Left aims to tackle political and social issues vs how the Right aims to tackle politics and social issues.

First of all, Michael Brooks is correct in asserting that the Conservative's sole focus on 'ideas' is ahistorical and exists outside of any policy or historical considerations. Michael Brooks is also correct in suggesting that American foreign policy within specific historical contexts has contributed in part to a proliferation of extremism and massive wealth inequality in certain areas of the world. This is something which we have control over. He believes that if the West stopped supporting Saudi Arabia, this would delegitimise and reduce the spread of Wahhabhist ideology throughout the world, which is the driving factor behind much of the extremism and poverty in many parts of the world.

The issue I have with Michael Brooks is that he was/is unwilling to discuss political and social issues outside of policy and historical considerations. In the view of the leftist, extrinsic factors such as policy and institutions affect human behaviour and shape economic and social conditions. It doesn't take into consideration individual agency or personal responsibility. However, Brooks does explain that focusing on policy and historical considerations is the best way to bring people together to deal with social and political issues, since a focus on individual agency and personal responsibility would alienate potential allies. Also, we have no control over individual agency or the personal choices that people make.
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby johnsmith » 11 Aug 2019, 15:51

Auggie wrote:Here is an interesting debate between a Progressive Michael Brooks vs a Conservative Sargon of Akkad


where is it exactly?
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Auggie » 11 Aug 2019, 17:16

johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:Here is an interesting debate between a Progressive Michael Brooks vs a Conservative Sargon of Akkad


where is it exactly?


The attached video??
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Julia » 11 Aug 2019, 19:07

NO and YES.
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby johnsmith » 11 Aug 2019, 19:56

Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:Here is an interesting debate between a Progressive Michael Brooks vs a Conservative Sargon of Akkad


where is it exactly?


The attached video??



ahh. Due to the settings on my pc i can't see any video's ... i thought you were losing it :c :c
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Dax » 12 Aug 2019, 05:24

No video I can see either.
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby hatty » 12 Aug 2019, 09:32

i can't see it either which is a shame because i am interested.

could you please post a link auggie?
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Auggie » 12 Aug 2019, 18:46

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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby mothra » 13 Aug 2019, 14:47

To all those who can't see the video, its a forum glitch you can bypass.

On your address bar will be a little symbol, looks a bit like a shield. Click on that and allow blocked content. Easy.

As to the video, i made it to about 10 minutes then got tired of the bickering. I was encouraged by the opening monologue and quite agreed with it but when the mic was opened to the other guy it just became about them talking over each other. Pity.

Auggie, could you direct me to more productive sections? It's a long time to sit through the kind of squabbling i usually try to avoid. When i hear the term 'regressive left' this droning appears in my ears.
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby DreamRyderX » 13 Aug 2019, 15:18

mothra wrote:To all those who can't see the video, its a forum glitch you can bypass.

On your address bar will be a little symbol, looks a bit like a shield. Click on that and allow blocked content. Easy.

As to the video, i made it to about 10 minutes then got tired of the bickering. I was encouraged by the opening monologue and quite agreed with it but when the mic was opened to the other guy it just became about them talking over each other. Pity.

Auggie, could you direct me to more productive sections? It's a long time to sit through the kind of squabbling i usually try to avoid. When i hear the term 'regressive left' this droning appears in my ears.


No bickering & squabbling in this video....I Promise!

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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby DreamRyderX » 13 Aug 2019, 15:46

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Again ..... No bickering & squabbling....IMHO ... Image

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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby johnsmith » 13 Aug 2019, 16:00

mothra wrote:As to the video, i made it to about 10 minutes then got tired of the bickering


i only lasted 5 mins. :B

I'm not going to listen to that drone for 40 mins. Is it just me or does his voice put you to sleep ?
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Dax » 13 Aug 2019, 17:02

Skipped through it, didn't change, it was all about their politics nothing else. That's not the difference between left and right thinking. The difference is, their lies sound different, but they are still all lies. They all want power and choose opposite ends of the spectrum to work from, but the outcomes are always the same for the majority, nothing.
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Aussie » 13 Aug 2019, 18:29

This'll do.

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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Auggie » 13 Aug 2019, 18:46

Ok, here are the more productive sections:

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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Auggie » 13 Aug 2019, 18:50

Dax wrote:Skipped through it, didn't change, it was all about their politics nothing else. That's not the difference between left and right thinking. The difference is, their lies sound different, but they are still all lies. They all want power and choose opposite ends of the spectrum to work from, but the outcomes are always the same for the majority, nothing.


The point is, that I made in the OP, is that the Left tend to focus on extrinsic factors when it comes to social and political issues, which inevitably involves focusing on policy. For example, you're unlikely to hear a Leftist says: "well, you made that choice and it led to this bad outcome, so that's your problem." They're more likely to say something like: "well, it's unfortunate that a person is in this position, what policies can we implement to help that person thrive in society?" Now, you might think that this comes down to the simple fact that the Left give a shit about people and the Right don't; in any case, it's still a political position.
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby johnsmith » 13 Aug 2019, 19:20

Auggie wrote: Now, you might think that this comes down to the simple fact that the Left give a shit about people and the Right don't; in any case, it's still a political position.


is that what the 40 min video was about? you should have said that from the beginning.
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Auggie » 13 Aug 2019, 19:25

johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote: Now, you might think that this comes down to the simple fact that the Left give a shit about people and the Right don't; in any case, it's still a political position.


is that what the 40 min video was about? you should have said that from the beginning.


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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Miranda » 14 Aug 2019, 11:47

johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote: Now, you might think that this comes down to the simple fact that the Left give a shit about people and the Right don't; in any case, it's still a political position.


is that what the 40 min video was about? you should have said that from the beginning.


I didn’t get that from the messy and arrogant posturing.

One wanted to discuss ideas which really means western values, and the other guy only wanted to discuss policy.

It was a shitful and frustrating display.
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Bongalong » 14 Aug 2019, 12:19

Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote: Now, you might think that this comes down to the simple fact that the Left give a shit about people and the Right don't; in any case, it's still a political position.


is that what the 40 min video was about? you should have said that from the beginning.


Why do you always go and steal my thunder??

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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Auggie » 14 Aug 2019, 19:42

Miranda wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote: Now, you might think that this comes down to the simple fact that the Left give a shit about people and the Right don't; in any case, it's still a political position.


is that what the 40 min video was about? you should have said that from the beginning.


I didn’t get that from the messy and arrogant posturing.

One wanted to discuss ideas which really means western values, and the other guy only wanted to discuss policy.

It was a shitful and frustrating display.


It comes down to how much you believe people are responsible for their actions.
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby hatty » 14 Aug 2019, 19:46

and how their actions affect others...... to me that is the difference

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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Auggie » 14 Aug 2019, 20:05

hatty wrote:and how their actions affect others...... to me that is the difference

i know where i stand


Where do you stand?
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Re: The crucial difference in Left vs Right thinking

Postby Bongalong » 14 Aug 2019, 20:40

hatty wrote:and how their actions affect others...... to me that is the difference

i know where i stand

No one cares what you think lol :bgrin
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