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Postby Sprintcyclist » 13 Feb 2019, 10:00

PRIME Minister Scott Morrison has taken the extraordinary step of reopening the Christmas Island detention centre as the government braces for a new wave of boat arrivals after suffering a historic defeat on the refugee medical evacuation bill yesterday.

The government will also beef up Operation Sovereign Borders with extra resources.

Mr Morrison made the shock announcement this morning after an urgent meeting of the National Security Committee, saying he would adopt all of its recommendations made this morning.

"My job now is to do everything within my power and in the power of the government to ensure that what the parliament has done to weaken our borders does not result in boats coming to Australia," Mr Morrison said.

It's the latest dramatic twist after the government's historic defeat on the legislation in parliament yesterday, with Labor and crossbench MPs passing it in the lower house 75 votes to 74.

It was the first time a federal government had lost a vote on a substantive piece of legislation since 1941.

The bill will sail through the Senate this morning with independent Derryn Hinch's support.

"The people smugglers know my resolve. They know Peter Dutton's resolve. They know we will do everything in our power to stop them at every point," Mr Morrison said this morning.

"If they don't come, it will be because of the work and the decisions we are now taking and the actions we are putting in place.

"If they do come, you can thank the Labor Party and Bill Shorten because he is the one who has led this process."

Mr Morrison refused to detail the extra resources being poured into Australia's border protection, saying: "This parliament has already tipped its hand enough to the people smugglers."

But he did reveal the government would reopen Christmas Island detention centre after it was closed last year.

"We have approved putting in place the reopening of the Christmas Island detention facilities, both to deal with the prospect of arrivals as well as dealing with the prospect of transfers," he told reporters at Parliament House.

Mr Morrison said people smugglers would consider it a "nuance" of the "Canberra bubble" that the medical transfers bill only applies to current refugees on Manus Island and Nauru and would not apply to new arrivals after amendments agreed on yesterday by Labor and the Greens.

He declared the Coalition would reverse the bill if re-elected in May.

"What is true today is, as a result of what happened in the Parliament yesterday and what is happening in the Senate now, our border protection laws are weaker than they were go days ago. That's a fact," he said.

Senator Hinch, whose vote is crucial, had earlier demanded a security briefing on the legislation, creating speculation he may block the bill and give the government a reprive after its major loss yesterday.

The Justice Party senator said it was the "toughest decision" of his time in parliament.

Earlier, he had said: "I just want to see, before I make any decisions, where the bill is at for the moment."

"We haven't actually physically seen the amendments that went through the Senate last night."

Earlier, Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton praised Senator Hinch's caution in calling for a security briefing, saying: "It seems to me that Derryn Hinch is showing the leadership that Mr Shorten lacks."

The minister assembled the heads of Australia's security agencies involved in Operation Sovereign Borders to brief Senator Hinch this morning.

"I hope that Mr Hinch, as I'm sure that he will because I think that he is a responsible person and he shows leadership, will heed the advice of the agency heads," Mr Dutton told reporters in Canberra.

Trade Minister Simon Birmingham also urged Senator Hinch to block the bill, saying: "It is legislation that sends the signal that the alternative government of Australia is weaker on border protection."

"I would urge Derryn Hinch and every other Senate crossbencher, and frankly Bill Shorten and the Labor Party, to think again about the consequences of this and the necessity of it," Senator Birmingham told Sky News.

Independent Senator Tim Storer, who introduced the original medivac amendments, has revealed he did not receive a briefing from security agencies about the bill and will not seek one.

He will again today give his support for amendments and said he has "no reason to believe" that it will lead to the people smuggling trade resuming.

Bill Shorten has rejected the idea he was trying to "put the welcome mat out" for people smugglers.

Fronting the media for the first time since pushing through legislation which the government says will put Australia's borders in danger, Mr Shorten tried to dispute the attack.

He pressed the point that the legislation only applies to people currently on Nauru or Manus and therefore was not an incentive for people smugglers.

He said he had taken the "point of view" of security agencies on board.

"Last night was about a simple proposition that this government is strong enough to treat people humanely".

The Labor leader's message to Senator Hinch was the bill was stronger than the legislation initially contemplated last December.



https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/pm-re-open-christmas-island-centre/3646585/
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby SethBullock » 13 Feb 2019, 11:53

So I take it that, by a narrow margin, Australians support these measures to protect their borders.

I also find this interesting ... "Mr Morrison refused to detail the extra resources being poured into Australia's border protection, saying: "This parliament has already tipped its hand enough to the people smugglers."

"Extra resources" usually means "money". How does a Prime Minister pour extra resources into something and refuse to detail it? It's the people's money, isn't it? As should be abundantly clear by now from our own "wall" controversy in the U.S., Congress appropriates money for things openly. The only exceptions are top secret programs related to defense.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby greggerypeccary » 13 Feb 2019, 11:58

SethBullock wrote:So I take it that, by a narrow margin, Australians support these measures to protect their borders.

I also find this interesting ... "Mr Morrison refused to detail the extra resources being poured into Australia's border protection, saying: "This parliament has already tipped its hand enough to the people smugglers."

"Extra resources" usually means "money". How does a Prime Minister pour extra resources into something and refuse to detail it? It's the people's money, isn't it? As should be abundantly clear by now from our own "wall" controversy in the U.S., Congress appropriates money for things openly. The only exceptions are top secret programs related to defense.


Morrison, and his government, are extremely corrupt.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby Bongalong » 13 Feb 2019, 12:01

SethBullock wrote:So I take it that, by a narrow margin, Australians support these measures to protect their borders.

I also find this interesting ... "Mr Morrison refused to detail the extra resources being poured into Australia's border protection, saying: "This parliament has already tipped its hand enough to the people smugglers."

"Extra resources" usually means "money". How does a Prime Minister pour extra resources into something and refuse to detail it? It's the people's money, isn't it? As should be abundantly clear by now from our own "wall" controversy in the U.S., Congress appropriates money for things openly. The only exceptions are top secret programs related to defense.

Your President has to keep certain matters of security details secret! It's the same in every country!!
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby mantra » 13 Feb 2019, 12:33

As much as I dislike Morrison generally - his scare tactics could work. No-one wants to go back to the days when thousands of asylum seekers flooded here. They've cost us billions and our children will be paying for this for the rest of their lives. We've barely got the resources to look after our own let alone service a few hundred thousand refugees who will come here desperate for our health care.

Most of them are unemployable - simply because of their lack of English, religion, illness and lack of qualifications. Someone has to pay for them.

Of course doctors are going to be compassionate in their assessments. They will be getting well paid for each client.

I don't think Labor has thought this through. Shorten will make the same mistake Gillard did. I liked Gillard, but she made a grave error by not taking a tougher stance on refugees.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby greggerypeccary » 13 Feb 2019, 12:43

mantra wrote:As much as I dislike Morrison generally - his scare tactics could work.


I dare say they will work.

And, if a boat "accidentally" slips past Border Patrol and makes it to Australia before the election, it could very well have a major affect on the outcome.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby SethBullock » 13 Feb 2019, 12:53

Bongalong wrote:
SethBullock wrote:So I take it that, by a narrow margin, Australians support these measures to protect their borders.

I also find this interesting ... "Mr Morrison refused to detail the extra resources being poured into Australia's border protection, saying: "This parliament has already tipped its hand enough to the people smugglers."

"Extra resources" usually means "money". How does a Prime Minister pour extra resources into something and refuse to detail it? It's the people's money, isn't it? As should be abundantly clear by now from our own "wall" controversy in the U.S., Congress appropriates money for things openly. The only exceptions are top secret programs related to defense.

Your President has to keep certain matters of security details secret! It's the same in every country!!


Sure, but border security is law enforcement which is pretty transparent in this country. And I don't get how your PM can "pour extra resources" into something. In this country, "resources" (money) have to be approved by Congress. If our president wants "extra" resources, Congress has to pass a law authorizing the money.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby greggerypeccary » 13 Feb 2019, 12:56

SethBullock wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
SethBullock wrote:So I take it that, by a narrow margin, Australians support these measures to protect their borders.

I also find this interesting ... "Mr Morrison refused to detail the extra resources being poured into Australia's border protection, saying: "This parliament has already tipped its hand enough to the people smugglers."

"Extra resources" usually means "money". How does a Prime Minister pour extra resources into something and refuse to detail it? It's the people's money, isn't it? As should be abundantly clear by now from our own "wall" controversy in the U.S., Congress appropriates money for things openly. The only exceptions are top secret programs related to defense.

Your President has to keep certain matters of security details secret! It's the same in every country!!


Sure, but border security is law enforcement which is pretty transparent in this country. And I don't get how your PM can "pour extra resources" into something. In this country, "resources" (money) have to be approved by Congress. If our president wants "extra" resources, Congress has to pass a law authorizing the money.


We have a very, very corrupt PM and government.

I'm not joking.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby johnsmith » 13 Feb 2019, 15:37

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I think you'll find it was the work of Karen Phelps, an independent right winger, and not the ALP who are responsible. :B :B
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby johnsmith » 13 Feb 2019, 15:45

mantra wrote:As much as I dislike Morrison generally - his scare tactics could work.


the libs are probably looking for a few people smugglers who they can bribe to 'make it through' as we speak.


mantra wrote:No-one wants to go back to the days when thousands of asylum seekers flooded here. They've cost us billions and our children will be paying for this for the rest of their lives.


50 000 asylum seekers in 5 years under labor

64 000+ asylum seekers under the libs in in 4 years

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2018/12/09/record-number-asylum-seekers-peter-dutton/

it's a myth they stopped coming.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby johnsmith » 13 Feb 2019, 15:46

SethBullock wrote:So I take it that, by a narrow margin, Australians support these measures to protect their borders.

I also find this interesting ... "Mr Morrison refused to detail the extra resources being poured into Australia's border protection, saying: "This parliament has already tipped its hand enough to the people smugglers."

"Extra resources" usually means "money". How does a Prime Minister pour extra resources into something and refuse to detail it? It's the people's money, isn't it? As should be abundantly clear by now from our own "wall" controversy in the U.S., Congress appropriates money for things openly. The only exceptions are top secret programs related to defense.



this current government has a long history of labelling everything 'secret' so as to avoid public scrutiny
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby Sprintcyclist » 13 Feb 2019, 17:47

SethBullock wrote:So I take it that, by a narrow margin, Australians support these measures to protect their borders.

I also find this interesting ... "Mr Morrison refused to detail the extra resources being poured into Australia's border protection, saying: "This parliament has already tipped its hand enough to the people smugglers."

"Extra resources" usually means "money". How does a Prime Minister pour extra resources into something and refuse to detail it? It's the people's money, isn't it? As should be abundantly clear by now from our own "wall" controversy in the U.S., Congress appropriates money for things openly. The only exceptions are top secret programs related to defense.


quite reasonable comments
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Postby greggerypeccary » 13 Feb 2019, 20:52

johnsmith wrote:
the libs are probably looking for a few people smugglers who they can bribe to 'make it through' as we speak.



They'll find a way to convince (bribe) the Border Patrol vessels to look the other way.

It'll be their major focus for the next few weeks.

I predict a boat will "accidentally" slip through sometime around Easter.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby HBS Guy » 14 Feb 2019, 05:22

BOATS! is yesterdays news.

People are upset about treatment of refugees on Manus/Nauru.

Libs will beat the drum about boats, refugees etc etc. Won’t do them any good. Libs tried this in Question Time yesterday, fell flat.

Boat turnbacks will stop boats, won’t stop refugees as John pointed out, 64K in 4 years.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby Sprintcyclist » 14 Feb 2019, 07:08

boat tunrnbacks have stopped the flotilla of illegals

if illegals come via planes, we can turn them back at the airport.
if they have passports, they are legal to arrive
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Postby greggerypeccary » 14 Feb 2019, 10:45

Sprintcyclist wrote:boat tunrnbacks have stopped the flotilla of illegals

if illegals come via planes, we can turn them back at the airport.



No.

The ones who come by plane make their claims after they leave the airport, once their visas expire.

The planes are the problems, not the boats.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

Postby johnsmith » 14 Feb 2019, 15:08

Sprintcyclist wrote:if they have passports, they are legal to arrive


if the passports are visa are obtained illegally, it is illegal for them to enter.
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

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johnsmith wrote:
Sprintcyclist wrote:if they have passports, they are legal to arrive


if the passports are visa are obtained illegally, it is illegal for them to enter.


yes, and those are checked on entry
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Re: alp force detention center to reopen

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Sprintcyclist wrote:
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Sprintcyclist wrote:if they have passports, they are legal to arrive


if the passports are visa are obtained illegally, it is illegal for them to enter.


yes, and those are checked on entry

doesn't explain how this 10500 got in :roll :roll :roll :roll

Criminal syndicates are using counterfeiting networks in Malaysia to smuggle people into Australia, exploiting a relaxed visa agreement between the countries.

About 10,500 people from Malaysia are in Australia unlawfully — significantly more than any other country.


and that's just malaysia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-16/criminals-faking-malaysian-identities-to-obtain-australia-visa/10237506
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Postby Sprintcyclist » 14 Feb 2019, 17:39

do you think those entering with fake documents should be returned in the next flight?
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Postby HBS Guy » 14 Feb 2019, 17:46

Those entering on forged documents are illegals.
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Sprintcyclist wrote:do you think those entering with fake documents should be returned in the next flight?



of course. We should only accept genuine asylum seekers.
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Postby greggerypeccary » 14 Feb 2019, 19:59

Sprintcyclist wrote:do you think those entering with fake documents should be returned in the next flight?


Depends.

If they have fake documents, but are genuine refugees, they should NOT be sent home.
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greggerypeccary wrote:
Sprintcyclist wrote:do you think those entering with fake documents should be returned in the next flight?


Depends.

If they have fake documents, but are genuine refugees, they should NOT be sent home.



only 2% are genuine ... of 10500 , only 200 odd are genuine. The other 10300 should be sent back.
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