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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby pinkeye » 19 Jul 2019, 00:29

Texan wrote:
pinkeye wrote:Ahhhhhhhh so now we come to

A crux of this matter. Gun ownership and GOD.

Have to say that...….' never the twain should meet'. There IS no natural connection. There IS a FORCED CONNECTION.
By you, and your like.
That offends me. You USE religion faith and belief to argue for gun ownership.??

JESUS CHRIST WOULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU.

I can say that with comfort.

I’m glad you’re comfortable. My country’s founding fathers were of many faiths, including no faith. Their documents declared that our rights are inherent in our being and my rights are independent of my religious beliefs. Your opinion of my religious beliefs is irrelevant to my rights according to the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. We all have equal rights. Our nation may be founded on many Christian principles by predominantly Christian people but we are not a Christian nation. The settlers came to America for religious freedom from a government sanctioned church.

You are using my faith as an excuse to declare me a hypocrite, when my my rights are the same as anybody else’s. Just because I choose to be able to defend myself doesn’t make me a hypocrite.


Umm I don't think you are a hypocrit. i think you are true to your personal beliefs.

But despite what you say about the US guaranteeing other faiths than Christianity, you refer to those fleeing a government sanctioned church. Specifically the Pilgrims I should think, and they were Christian folk.
Your ethos is not matched by the behaviour of the United States. This so-called religious freedom has always been found wanting, especially now.

Your President is so in breach of all rational fair thought.. but, you love it.

YOUR OPINIONS no longer matter, because you don't have any. You just parrot the crap fed to you.

Sorry... I've heard enough pap in my time.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Texan » 19 Jul 2019, 02:36

pinkeye wrote:
Texan wrote:
pinkeye wrote:Ahhhhhhhh so now we come to

A crux of this matter. Gun ownership and GOD.

Have to say that...….' never the twain should meet'. There IS no natural connection. There IS a FORCED CONNECTION.
By you, and your like.
That offends me. You USE religion faith and belief to argue for gun ownership.??

JESUS CHRIST WOULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU.

I can say that with comfort.

I’m glad you’re comfortable. My country’s founding fathers were of many faiths, including no faith. Their documents declared that our rights are inherent in our being and my rights are independent of my religious beliefs. Your opinion of my religious beliefs is irrelevant to my rights according to the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. We all have equal rights. Our nation may be founded on many Christian principles by predominantly Christian people but we are not a Christian nation. The settlers came to America for religious freedom from a government sanctioned church.

You are using my faith as an excuse to declare me a hypocrite, when my my rights are the same as anybody else’s. Just because I choose to be able to defend myself doesn’t make me a hypocrite.


Umm I don't think you are a hypocrit. i think you are true to your personal beliefs.

But despite what you say about the US guaranteeing other faiths than Christianity, you refer to those fleeing a government sanctioned church. Specifically the Pilgrims I should think, and they were Christian folk.
Your ethos is not matched by the behaviour of the United States. This so-called religious freedom has always been found wanting, especially now.

Your President is so in breach of all rational fair thought.. but, you love it.

YOUR OPINIONS no longer matter, because you don't have any. You just parrot the crap fed to you.

Sorry... I've heard enough pap in my time.

Maybe I'm being over simplistic, but I loosely equate "separation of church and state" with "pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's". As a Christian, I try to live my life as Jesus directed. I'm not always successful, but that's my goal. As an American, I expect my government to serve in the interests of the American citizens and I have the same voice as any other American. "government of, by, and for the people".

I try hard to vote for people who promote Christian principles and ideas, but no candidate is perfect. We get to choose the lesser of 2 evils after choosing from imperfect pools in the primaries. I got to choose between a playboy millionaire who espoused America first and border security, or a crooked politician's wife with a poor track record as senator and secretary of state who wanted to be 0bama's 3rd term. I didn't like what Hillary promised, so I had nothing to lose by voting for Trump. So far, he has not let me down. He has put up with abuse and resistance from both parties and the media and pushed the agenda that he ran on. There are a lot of things about his past personal life that I find insincere and creepy, but he pushes my agenda better than anybody else has and I will vote for him again in 2020. Just because I claim to be a Christian does not mean that I can only support perfect politicians. They don't exist and I wouldn't have a voice as an American.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby DonDeeHippy » 19 Jul 2019, 07:13

Texan are you a swing voter or just follow the republicans ? :purple
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Texan » 19 Jul 2019, 07:53

DonDeeHippy wrote:Texan are you a swing voter or just follow the republicans ? :purple

I vote mostly Republican, but if there is no Democrat in the race or am very comfortable that the Republican will easily beat the Democrat, I lean toward Libertarians. I vote in the Republican primaries for "Tea Party" type candidates and usually against the incumbent. I voted for Ted Cruz in the 2016 Republican primaries. Trump would have been my #2 choice.
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Americans have an Unalienable CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Guns!

Postby DreamRyderX » 19 Jul 2019, 09:26

Texan wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:Texan are you a swing voter or just follow the republicans ? :purple

I vote mostly Republican, but if there is no Democrat in the race or am very comfortable that the Republican will easily beat the Democrat, I lean toward Libertarians. I vote in the Republican primaries for "Tea Party" type candidates and usually against the incumbent. I voted for Ted Cruz in the 2016 Republican primaries. Trump would have been my #2 choice.


I'm registered as an Independent. I've always voted for the more Conservative, Right Wing candidates......The democ-rats haven't fielded a candidate that holds my values for decades, therefore I always vote for a Conservative / Republican -- Anyone Anti-Socialist/Anti-Communist.

I didn't vote for Trump in the last Republican Primary, & like you Texan, Ted was my solid choice.

I didn't vote in the 2016 Presidential Election, I didn't think Trump had a chance against the bitch, but in 2020 I won't miss my opportunity to vote for President Trump this time around.

Over the greater part of the last 30 years living here in Australia, even though they have compulsory voting, I have only voted once, & that was early on.....for a local candidate. Since seeing what a farce voting here is, with preferences mandatory if you want the vote to count, I have refused to vote rather than submitting what they call an informal vote (a vote where you make a mistake on purpose so the vote is void). They have all the candidates on the ballot, & you have to chose who is your preferred choice......naturally the #1 vote would be who you want to win, but then you MUST chose a #2 choice, then a #3 choice...etc....etc....etc. Say there are 10 candidates, you MUST mark them ALL in numerical order of preference. I only want my #1 choice to win, & don't ever want any of the others to win, but with preferences, if your #1 choice doesn't win, you may have helped say the #3 candidate win via preferences....That's why I refuse to vote, & I would also refuse to pay any fine, but to date I haven't been fined once to enjoy that pleasure.


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Re: Americans have an Unalienable CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Gu

Postby greggerypeccary » 19 Jul 2019, 10:01

DreamRyderX wrote:I'm registered as an Independent.


Huh?

You have to reveal who you'll be voting for when you register?
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Americans have an Unalienable CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Guns!

Postby DreamRyderX » 19 Jul 2019, 10:22

greggerypeccary wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:I'm registered as an Independent.


Huh?

You have to reveal who you'll be voting for when you register?


No, "Independent" is not a Party. It's basically saying you don't belong to, or are affiliated with a political party......but when one registers to vote in America, they may chose their Party, importantly so they can vote in that party's primary elections.....to choose the candidate they wish to put forward as their party's candidate in a general election. An Independent can't take part in any primary, unless it's agreed to by all political parties as acceptable, & the State grants them the ability to do so in it's voting laws.

In order to run for President in 2020, President Trump must win the Republican Primary, like he did in 2016, or he could chose to run as an Independent (not affiliated to any party).

Millard Fillmore, a member of the Whig party, was the 13th President of the United States (1850-1853) and the last President not to be affiliated with either the Democratic or Republican parties.


Even if you register in a Political Party, when you are voting privately in a general election, or any election in the USA for that matter, you can vote for anyone you chose.....you are not required to vote for someone in any particular party just because you are, or aren't, registered in a party. Image
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Re: Americans have an Unalienable CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Gu

Postby Texan » 19 Jul 2019, 10:47

DreamRyderX wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:I'm registered as an Independent.


Huh?

You have to reveal who you'll be voting for when you register?


No, "Independent" is not a Party, it's basically saying you belong to no political party......but when one registers to vote in America, they chose their Party, importantly so they can vote in that party's primary.....to choose the candidate they wish to put forward as their candidate in a general election. An Independent can't take part in any primary, unless it's agreed to by all political parties as acceptable, & the State grants them the ability to do so in it's voting laws.

In order to run for President in 2020, President Trump must win the Republican Primary, like he did in 2016, or he could chose to run as an Independent (not affiliated to any party).

Even if you register in a Political Party, when you are voting privately in a general election, you can vote for anyone you chose.....you are not required to vote for someone in any party. Image

Some people register as a member of the party they disagree with. If they are comfortable with the choices in the party they agree with, they can influence the results in the other party. A lot of leftists in California voted in the Republican primaries to water down voice of the Republican party in 2016 and then voted for their Democrat in the general election. I could register and vote Democrat in 2020 to influence their primaries, but I wouldn't be able to affect the primary votes in the down ballot Republican races. It just doesn't feel like the honest thing to do.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby SethBullock » 19 Jul 2019, 11:27

Probably belongs in the "Funny" thread ...

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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Texan » 19 Jul 2019, 11:53

That's not a proper bra holster, although only the women will see the gun.

My wife has one of these.
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These look better for concealing a smaller gun.
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She couldn't wear her sticky holster with her skirt today, so I loaned her an IWB holster with a belt clip. She loved it.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby greggerypeccary » 19 Jul 2019, 11:58

Texan wrote:That's not a proper bra holster, although only the women will see the gun.

My wife has one of these.
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These look better for concealing a smaller gun.
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She couldn't wear her sticky holster with her skirt today, so I loaned her an IWB holster with a belt clip. She loved it.



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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby SethBullock » 19 Jul 2019, 12:06

Nice holsters! :roll
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby johnsmith » 19 Jul 2019, 16:26

SethBullock wrote:Nice holsters! :roll



yeah ... that's what I was looking at too :bgrin :bgrin
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Re: Americans have an Unalienable CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Gu

Postby pinkeye » 19 Jul 2019, 23:29

greggerypeccary wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:I'm registered as an Independent.


Huh?

You have to reveal who you'll be voting for when you register?


Yeah!! WTF?
I've read the responses to this post but they don't address the heart of the issue.

What is this about registering as ...??? anything. Here... we have an electoral roll, and good citizens enroll, on the Electoral roll, as resident in a particular electorate ... Nowhere are we required or even asked who we identify with. WTF? Is this what you are saying.? If not.. try harder to communicate please.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Texan » 20 Jul 2019, 02:17

Everyone votes for the candidate of their choice in the general election. They can even write in Mickey Mouse. To be on the ballot in the general election, you have to first be nominated by your party. Registered party members elect(or nominate)their person for the general election. If a person can get enough supporters, they can run in the general election as an independent candidate.

Ross Perot did it in 1992.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby pinkeye » 20 Jul 2019, 03:49

I'm talking about voters. You seem to be talking about candidates.
Still unclear here.
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Re: Americans have an Unalienable CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Gu

Postby SethBullock » 20 Jul 2019, 08:27

pinkeye wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:I'm registered as an Independent.


Huh?

You have to reveal who you'll be voting for when you register?


Yeah!! WTF?
I've read the responses to this post but they don't address the heart of the issue.

What is this about registering as ...??? anything. Here... we have an electoral roll, and good citizens enroll, on the Electoral roll, as resident in a particular electorate ... Nowhere are we required or even asked who we identify with. WTF? Is this what you are saying.? If not.. try harder to communicate please.


Pink, registering as a Republican, Democrat, or Independent all has to do with the primaries. Let's say 2 Republicans in the same district are running for a seat in the House of Representatives. In the primary election, only registered Republicans may vote for which one will represent their party in the general election. One will win and one will lose. The winner will go on to run against the Democrat who won in the primary in the general election. In that election, any registered voter may vote for whomever they want to. If you register as an Independent, you may not vote in the Republican or Democratic primary elections, but you may still vote for whoever you want in the general election. I hope that clears that up for you.
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Postby DreamRyderX » 20 Jul 2019, 11:46

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Currently there are 25 Democ-rats wishing to run for President of the United States.

Each of the 50 US States will hold a Democrat Primary to determine the one candidate who is most popular in that State.

Usually only persons that register themselves with the Board of Elections as Democrats can vote in a State Democrat Primary. Same with a Republican Primary, where usually only registered Republicans can vote in a Republican Primary.

Along the way you can expect some candidates to drop out of contention, or pledge it's State delegates to another contender.

After the last State runs it's primary, the Political Party holds a Convention.

At this Convention, according to Party Rules, they determine who the Party Nominates as their Presidential Nominee. Whoever won the most primaries usually gets the nomination, but a Party Nomination is based on Party Rules..........Political Parties do not have to adhere to any particular Democratic principals, so the winner can come about any way the Party sees fit.......again, the most popular candidate throughout the Primaries usually gets the eventual nod, but not always.....especially if the overall Primary Race was hotly contended (very close).

All said, in all my years here in Australia I have yet to see a Political Party Primary where the people decide who the Party Representatives or Leaders will be in a General Election. I don't think they have them. I believe when they decide who a Party Leader will be, and when the Party has a majority, who the Prime Minister will be, it's usually done behind closed doors where all decisions are made by old white men, with the most political clout, who decide who Australia leaders will be.

The Prime Minister does not get elected by the people (except in his/her own local district). But Nationally, the Australian People never vote directly for the Countries Prime Minister...Australia's Political Leader...

The Australian Head of State is the British Queen, Queen Elizabeth....The Australian Head of State's Representative is appointed....Queen Elizabeth is Australia's HOS, & she is represented by the Australian Governor General, who is hand picked by Queen Elizabeth & her advisors (which includes the current Australian PM).



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Re: Americans have an Unalienable CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Gu

Postby pinkeye » 21 Jul 2019, 00:24

SethBullock wrote:
pinkeye wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:I'm registered as an Independent.


Huh?

You have to reveal who you'll be voting for when you register?


Yeah!! WTF?
I've read the responses to this post but they don't address the heart of the issue.

What is this about registering as ...??? anything. Here... we have an electoral roll, and good citizens enroll, on the Electoral roll, as resident in a particular electorate ... Nowhere are we required or even asked who we identify with. WTF? Is this what you are saying.? If not.. try harder to communicate please.


Pink, registering as a Republican, Democrat, or Independent all has to do with the primaries. Let's say 2 Republicans in the same district are running for a seat in the House of Representatives. In the primary election, only registered Republicans may vote for which one will represent their party in the general election. One will win and one will lose. The winner will go on to run against the Democrat who won in the primary in the general election. In that election, any registered voter may vote for whomever they want to. If you register as an Independent, you may not vote in the Republican or Democratic primary elections, but you may still vote for whoever you want in the general election. I hope that clears that up for you.


Sorry Seth , but I don't get it.. Are you saying, in order to vote as a citizen, you must register with a preference,..?

Like ...here I am and I like Republicans ..TICK..? I register as a republican supporter. ?? Or a Democrat, or an Independent. ??

And that affects how you can vote.?? :roll :OMG :tweed :tweed :tweed

.. Here we fill out our details of citizenship and place of enrolment.. Then we can vote, for anyone we choose.

We don't have to signal our 'tribe'. . We are 'On the Roll'. We don't register on the Roll as anything other than an eligible citizen.
Please I do not understand this at all.

I mean I knew US Political structure is fucked, because the popular loses the election.
BUT maybe this explains why.? (it's happened here too)
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby pinkeye » 21 Jul 2019, 00:28

No wonder most US citizens don't vote.
They have NO IDEA how the whole shitfight works, but they know their vote means fuck all so why bother. !!


What a fucking game.. only those in the know, can work the system. Good grief.!!
You call that democracy..??
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby SethBullock » 21 Jul 2019, 02:07

pinkeye wrote:No wonder most US citizens don't vote.
They have NO IDEA how the whole shitfight works, but they know their vote means fuck all so why bother. !!


What a fucking game.. only those in the know, can work the system. Good grief.!!
You call that democracy..??


Yes, when you register to vote, you pick an affiliation - Republican, Democrat, Independent (also called Unaffiliated), etc. This preserves the integrity of the primary system.

The primary system is where political party members choose their candidate to run in the general election. So you don't want to have Republicans choosing who is going to run from the Democratic party and vice versa. Republicans choose the Republican candidate, and Democrats choose the Democratic candidate. That seems perfectly logical to me.

Australia has two major parties, doesn't it? Liberals and Labor, right? So let's say you have a seat in your "Congress" (not sure what you call it) that's up for election. You have 4 candidates from each party who want to run for that seat. How do you choose which one from each party runs?

Or, do you just put everybody's name on the ballot and hold one election? That seems unlikely to me.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Bongalong » 21 Jul 2019, 02:32

SethBullock wrote:
pinkeye wrote:No wonder most US citizens don't vote.
They have NO IDEA how the whole shitfight works, but they know their vote means fuck all so why bother. !!


What a fucking game.. only those in the know, can work the system. Good grief.!!
You call that democracy..??


Yes, when you register to vote, you pick an affiliation - Republican, Democrat, Independent (also called Unaffiliated), etc. This preserves the integrity of the primary system.

The primary system is where political party members choose their candidate to run in the general election. So you don't want to have Republicans choosing who is going to run from the Democratic party and vice versa. Republicans choose the Republican candidate, and Democrats choose the Democratic candidate. That seems perfectly logical to me.

Australia has two major parties, doesn't it? Liberals and Labor, right? So let's say you have a seat in your "Congress" (not sure what you call it) that's up for election. You have 4 candidates from each party who want to run for that seat. How do you choose which one from each party runs?

Or, do you just put everybody's name on the ballot and hold one election? That seems unlikely to me.

The party only puts forward one candidate!
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby pinkeye » 21 Jul 2019, 02:34

SethBullock wrote:
pinkeye wrote:No wonder most US citizens don't vote.
They have NO IDEA how the whole shitfight works, but they know their vote means fuck all so why bother. !!


What a fucking game.. only those in the know, can work the system. Good grief.!!
You call that democracy..??


Yes, when you register to vote, you pick an affiliation - Republican, Democrat, Independent (also called Unaffiliated), etc. This preserves the integrity of the primary system.

The primary system is where political party members choose their candidate to run in the general election. So you don't want to have Republicans choosing who is going to run from the Democratic party and vice versa. Republicans choose the Republican candidate, and Democrats choose the Democratic candidate. That seems perfectly logical to me.

Australia has two major parties, doesn't it? Liberals and Labor, right? So let's say you have a seat in your "Congress" (not sure what you call it) that's up for election. You have 4 candidates from each party who want to run for that seat. How do you choose which one from each party runs?

Or, do you just put everybody's name on the ballot and hold one election? That seems unlikely to me.


Umm gosh see my hi lites and bold above.

SO.. what you are saying is... as a private voter, you have to say what your preference is. Or else you can't vote.? OH yeah unaffiliated..!! WHAT.??

Here … The local political machine decides who gets put up for a vote. (that is those politically motivated individuals in any given electorate who support a candidate. ) Certain limits etc must be met before an individual can stand as a candidate.

Each candidate for a SEAT either has political party affiliation, or are Independent. THE party members decide who runs in what seat. The Independents lob in if they have local support.
SO AND THEN?


YES it is put to the VOTE.


The candidates have campaigned, and on the day... the people go to the Ballot Box, and choose who they want.
We don't have to tell anybody who we want to vote for.


each seat up for election has a range of candidates. Some are local self-funded people who have a particular issue . IF enough people agree when the vote is counted , they'll get a seat.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby pinkeye » 21 Jul 2019, 02:45

so..
yep..that is my BASIC understanding.

Go ahead and tell me why I'm wrong. I don't pretend to know how it all works. I vote for whomever I choose.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Bongalong » 21 Jul 2019, 02:49

pinkeye wrote:so..
yep..that is my BASIC understanding.

Go ahead and tell me why I'm wrong. I don't pretend to know how it all works. I vote for whomever I choose.

He's not saying you're wrong: just that there system is a bit different!
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