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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby DonDeeHippy » 15 Aug 2019, 06:05

Dax wrote:Here's an article surrounding the Kona which backs up my experience with one, they can go a very long way on one charge and have a fabulous regen system that I found hard to believe, but is backed up by the article/video. Under the right conditions and with careful driving, you could go very long way without recharging.

"Lemon-Tea Leaf sets out on a road trip to see if the Kona Electric can make it 300 miles or more on a single charge. The weather conditions appear to be decent, despite a touch of rain. He's travelling at normal speeds, often between 55 and 70 mph, though he makes a good point to take advantage of the car's regenerative braking as much as possible. It also handles 100kw charging, which is excellent

Check out the video. We think you'll be pleasantly surprised, if not shocked, by the results."

https://insideevs.com/news/364377/video ... -electric/

Here's another article which will make EV.s even batter and use less energy, won't be long before the range of choice will be so huge and take you so far, once they start putting solar cells into the bodies, range could become unlimited under the right conditions. Never know, may not be long before range becomes a thing of the past and EV's will travel all day without recharging.

"It seems electric motors just needed a push to present amazing technical developments. And that this push came from electric cars. Now we see new concepts fairly often, such as the Magnax motor or the plastic electric motor showed recently and this one, which comes from Texas and Linear Labs. It is called HET, or Hunstable Electric Turbine. And it claims to offer at least two times more torque density than the current top permanent magnet motors in the market.

That is just for starter. Linear Labs also states it has three times more power density and delivers 10 percent more range. The engine would also use 30 percent less copper. And that happens precisely due to the advantages the new motor design offers, according to the company."

https://insideevs.com/news/364852/linea ... c-turbine/

It's great when they do tests on these EV's and they even surpass the government recommendations, almost no petrol cars do that. Now with YouTube you get normal people making video's of their lives and journey's instead of paid reviewers that might have a bias because of money.

I read about the motor as well and it looks great but as they say the proof will be in the pudding... Hope they can get a real one working and more importantly, how to mass produce, that seems the biggest hurdle for new tech.
It would be good on these new advances if they could have a reality metre on them to show how likely the new tech could become mainstream.... :purple
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Bongalong » 15 Aug 2019, 12:03

Talking about mass producing electric vehcles: HOW IS TESLA THESE DAYS?
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby DonDeeHippy » 15 Aug 2019, 18:17

Bongalong wrote:Talking about mass producing electric vehcles: HOW IS TESLA THESE DAYS?

The had their best ever last quarter with 95,000 cars sold (April to June 2019) so they doing pretty well :)
in 2012 they made 2000 cars for the YEAR....
They are also saying they will start making cars in their China factory (biggest market in the world for electric vehicles) before the year ends... :purple
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Bongalong » 15 Aug 2019, 19:48

Cool... those numbers are sales!!! What do you think the profit margin would be per vehicle?

Have to be in the vicinity of 10 grand minimum to make this work wouldn't it!!?? (Total random guess!)
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby HBS Guy » 15 Aug 2019, 22:15

Is there still scare campaigns against Tesla? I think his success must have squashed those?
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby pinkeye » 15 Aug 2019, 23:20

is all good News, but I'll never own one.

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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby DonDeeHippy » 16 Aug 2019, 06:25

Bongalong wrote:Cool... those numbers are sales!!! What do you think the profit margin would be per vehicle?

Have to be in the vicinity of 10 grand minimum to make this work wouldn't it!!?? (Total random guess!)

they have one of the highest profit margins for any car company of around 20%.

Companies like GM and Toyota rely on numbers with some of their cars only making $1000 a car, so a Tesla S would make $25,000 AUD profit. The Tesla 3 in the USA last year was the highest money maker for cars (big F trucks though are the biggest sellers in the USA)both Gross and profit...
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby DonDeeHippy » 16 Aug 2019, 06:35

HBS Guy wrote:Is there still scare campaigns against Tesla? I think his success must have squashed those?

Nah soon as there is a accident or someone takes then to court, even if no chance of winning it's like they are the worse car company in the world and going broke, Remember Tesla have been going broke for 12 years....
there is still no car released that has more range than their original 2012 Model S , now of course their cars are much better...
The proof is numbers sold, In 2012 they sold 2000 cars in 2018 they sold 250,000 cars, it true they have never shown a yearly profit but with expansion like that is it any wonder. The investors of Tesla must be happy because the stock is worth lots more than the actual company. That means people are buying Tesla shares on promise and still happy to do so, they did a fund raiser a few months ago and got 2.8 billion USD and had to refuse investors after one day, so now they have 5 billion USD cash to keep expanding.. :purple
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

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https://insideevs.com/news/365323/crowd ... uth-korea/

Tesla experiences a "demand issue" in another market. Long queues were seen at the store in South Korea to check out the Model 3.
According to some reports from South Korea, the newly launched Tesla Model 3 attracts huge interest among potential customers. Twitter user Tae Koan, Ko posted photos of long queues to the stores.
In part, it might be related to the novelty of the new car and, in general, the fame of the Tesla brand, but the other major factor is subsidies that reportedly effectively decrease the price to below the equivalent of $27,000.
At that point, Tesla is catching onto the more mainstream segment, which combined with Tesla performance and the lower cost of driving (comparing electricity and fuel), might work quite well.

As Tesla keeps releasing their new car into new markets can only help sales and more word of mouth as they get sold....:purple
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby DonDeeHippy » 16 Aug 2019, 07:16

https://insideevs.com/news/365195/hyund ... july-2019/
Hyundai is busy producing plug-in electric cars this summer. Manufacturer's sales data shows 7,806 sales globally for the month of July (up 88.4% year-over-year). That's very close to the all-time high in December 2018 (8,174).
Also, the plug-in share out of overall volume for the brand is going up nicely to 5.0% last month. After seven months of 2019, sales amounted to 44,526, which is about 4.3% of all Hyundai sales.

Hyundai Kona Electric – 4,342 (1,528 in South Korea)
Hyundai IONIQ Electric – 1,817
Hyundai IONIQ Plug-In – 1,407 (new record)
Hyundai Sonata Plug-In – 240
Total: 7,806


Hyundai are still only doing small number's 6159 Electric Cars for the month and their demand is high, I hope they start producing more as they are bloody good vehicles... :purple
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Dax » 16 Aug 2019, 13:07

DonDeeHippy wrote:https://insideevs.com/news/365195/hyundai-plugin-car-sales-july-2019/
Hyundai is busy producing plug-in electric cars this summer. Manufacturer's sales data shows 7,806 sales globally for the month of July (up 88.4% year-over-year). That's very close to the all-time high in December 2018 (8,174).
Also, the plug-in share out of overall volume for the brand is going up nicely to 5.0% last month. After seven months of 2019, sales amounted to 44,526, which is about 4.3% of all Hyundai sales.

Hyundai Kona Electric – 4,342 (1,528 in South Korea)
Hyundai IONIQ Electric – 1,817
Hyundai IONIQ Plug-In – 1,407 (new record)
Hyundai Sonata Plug-In – 240
Total: 7,806


Hyundai are still only doing small number's 6159 Electric Cars for the month and their demand is high, I hope they start producing more as they are bloody good vehicles... :purple


They sure are a good vehicle, I was lucky there's a waiting list for them down here my friend who had as deposit on a model 3, has cancelled that and ordered a kona, they say it will be 6 -8 weeks away and if she wants a specific colour, 3-5 months. They have the longest range or any in it;s classand much better then BMW Miny minor, leaf bolt and model 3. Except for the tesla, the only one so far in the price range with a 100kw charge regime, recharging them is a breeze when you come across a tesla super charger, or 100kw, or 120kw charge point.

Have done just over 500klm in mine in the last 2 days, been up nth and just got back, 20klms from home thought I may not make it, but with all the hills, arrived with 32klm range left. Still amazed at the regen braking, it's remarkable and have learnt if you hold the paddle down, it comes to a stop really quick and you can see the range rapidly increasing.

It's really funny driving it, you slow down going down hills and speed up going up, what you use going up is nowhere near what you get back going down with the regen on 1 or 2. Switch to 3 regen and hold the paddle to a stop and you get over 20klm more range. Going to experiment more with it to see how far it will go on one charge, read a bloke says he got 586klms and still had 29klm range left after stopping and never used the brakes. When on the highway, use regen 1, push her just over the speed limit then use the regen to bring it back and the range increases 5klms. Come to a slower speed limit and by the time you slow to that, you have about 15klms more range.

Reckon within 5 years, range will probably be limitless as they have yet to really develop the electric EV motor or regen braking, add solar panels in the body and we may find range will be unlimited with proper driving techniques.
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Bongalong » 16 Aug 2019, 13:16

DonDeeHippy wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:Is there still scare campaigns against Tesla? I think his success must have squashed those?

Nah soon as there is a accident or someone takes then to court, even if no chance of winning it's like they are the worse car company in the world and going broke, Remember Tesla have been going broke for 12 years....
there is still no car released that has more range than their original 2012 Model S , now of course their cars are much better...
The proof is numbers sold, In 2012 they sold 2000 cars in 2018 they sold 250,000 cars, it true they have never shown a yearly profit but with expansion like that is it any wonder. The investors of Tesla must be happy because the stock is worth lots more than the actual company. That means people are buying Tesla shares on promise and still happy to do so, they did a fund raiser a few months ago and got 2.8 billion USD and had to refuse investors after one day, so now they have 5 billion USD cash to keep expanding.. :purple

If there is a stock market recorrection(Globally perhaps?) then Tesla will have (an) alibi for falling share price.... further meaning the detractors are seen as all piss and wind!

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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Aug 2019, 07:16

Dax wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:https://insideevs.com/news/365195/hyundai-plugin-car-sales-july-2019/
Hyundai is busy producing plug-in electric cars this summer. Manufacturer's sales data shows 7,806 sales globally for the month of July (up 88.4% year-over-year). That's very close to the all-time high in December 2018 (8,174).
Also, the plug-in share out of overall volume for the brand is going up nicely to 5.0% last month. After seven months of 2019, sales amounted to 44,526, which is about 4.3% of all Hyundai sales.

Hyundai Kona Electric – 4,342 (1,528 in South Korea)
Hyundai IONIQ Electric – 1,817
Hyundai IONIQ Plug-In – 1,407 (new record)
Hyundai Sonata Plug-In – 240
Total: 7,806


Hyundai are still only doing small number's 6159 Electric Cars for the month and their demand is high, I hope they start producing more as they are bloody good vehicles... :purple


They sure are a good vehicle, I was lucky there's a waiting list for them down here my friend who had as deposit on a model 3, has cancelled that and ordered a kona, they say it will be 6 -8 weeks away and if she wants a specific colour, 3-5 months. They have the longest range or any in it;s classand much better then BMW Miny minor, leaf bolt and model 3. Except for the tesla, the only one so far in the price range with a 100kw charge regime, recharging them is a breeze when you come across a tesla super charger, or 100kw, or 120kw charge point.

Have done just over 500klm in mine in the last 2 days, been up nth and just got back, 20klms from home thought I may not make it, but with all the hills, arrived with 32klm range left. Still amazed at the regen braking, it's remarkable and have learnt if you hold the paddle down, it comes to a stop really quick and you can see the range rapidly increasing.

It's really funny driving it, you slow down going down hills and speed up going up, what you use going up is nowhere near what you get back going down with the regen on 1 or 2. Switch to 3 regen and hold the paddle to a stop and you get over 20klm more range. Going to experiment more with it to see how far it will go on one charge, read a bloke says he got 586klms and still had 29klm range left after stopping and never used the brakes. When on the highway, use regen 1, push her just over the speed limit then use the regen to bring it back and the range increases 5klms. Come to a slower speed limit and by the time you slow to that, you have about 15klms more range.

Reckon within 5 years, range will probably be limitless as they have yet to really develop the electric EV motor or regen braking, add solar panels in the body and we may find range will be unlimited with proper driving techniques.

The Kona only has a better range than Tesla bottom of the range Model 3, which has 30% less battery (3 standard+ has a 50kwh to Kona 64kwh) is a larger car and weighs more, there would be something wrong if the Kona didn't have a better range :)


Solar panels are looking better and better and the average distance a vehicle is driven in Australia is 40km's a day, if the panels could recharge the batteries for that distance then most drivers would drive free... :purple
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Aug 2019, 07:40

https://insideevs.com/news/365439/more- ... -stations/

With more than 9,000 public charging points (including 1,600 DC) the EV infrastructure in the UK limits range anxiety.
The transition to electric drive progresses at a gradually increasing pace and one of the signs is the number of publicly available charging points being higher than the number of fuel stations - in the UK, this already happened.
According to Nissan, there are now some 9,300 charging points (including more than 1,600 DC) available compared to roughly 8,400 fuel stations.
Interesting is how volatile the infrastructure market is. In less than a century since the opening of the first fuel station in November 1919, the number of stations rapidly increased to a peak of well over 35,000 and then started to decline in the 1970s. On the other hand, EV infrastructure expanded from a few hundred points in 2011 to over 9,000 now. New DC stations are recently being installed every day.
this one is for you Bongy you where asking about how quick charging spots could be made for electric vehicles, very fast as England has shown....
Tesla installed fast chargers just for it's fleet and have abound 13,000 installed worldwide, that is just one company, they also have destination chargers that any EV can use that are owned by private companies and there are over 40,000 of these. The big thing to remember is that most EV charging will be done at home and only big trips will need a charger for big trips.
Lots of gas stations in Europe now are installing electric chargers so they don't loose revenue..

Remember where there is power you can install a Charging spot, all the infrastructure is already there... :purple
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Bongalong » 17 Aug 2019, 16:01

DonDeeHippy wrote:https://insideevs.com/news/365439/more-charging-points-than-fuel-stations/

With more than 9,000 public charging points (including 1,600 DC) the EV infrastructure in the UK limits range anxiety.
The transition to electric drive progresses at a gradually increasing pace and one of the signs is the number of publicly available charging points being higher than the number of fuel stations - in the UK, this already happened.
According to Nissan, there are now some 9,300 charging points (including more than 1,600 DC) available compared to roughly 8,400 fuel stations.
Interesting is how volatile the infrastructure market is. In less than a century since the opening of the first fuel station in November 1919, the number of stations rapidly increased to a peak of well over 35,000 and then started to decline in the 1970s. On the other hand, EV infrastructure expanded from a few hundred points in 2011 to over 9,000 now. New DC stations are recently being installed every day.
this one is for you Bongy you where asking about how quick charging spots could be made for electric vehicles, very fast as England has shown....
Tesla installed fast chargers just for it's fleet and have abound 13,000 installed worldwide, that is just one company, they also have destination chargers that any EV can use that are owned by private companies and there are over 40,000 of these. The big thing to remember is that most EV charging will be done at home and only big trips will need a charger for big trips.
Lots of gas stations in Europe now are installing electric chargers so they don't loose revenue..

Remember where there is power you can install a Charging spot, all the infrastructure is already there... :purple

Um, but fuel stations have multiple bowsers!
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Bongalong » 17 Aug 2019, 16:04

Thanks for catering to my concerns, Don: I was just about to ask what DC meant.... I suppose it means fast charger ?
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Bongalong » 17 Aug 2019, 16:05

oh, it means destination charger: got ya... yay: I can jump puddles/read lol
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Dax » 17 Aug 2019, 16:35

Bongalong wrote:Thanks for catering to my concerns, Don: I was just about to ask what DC meant.... I suppose it means fast charger ?


DC means direct current and AC means alternating current. There are many charge places around Europe with anything from 4-10 charge points, telsa super chargers have a number of charging places and there are more and more coming on line. The next step will be charging stations run on solar and there are probably some around the planet now.
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

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Then,............. super chargers run on solar power ?
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

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Bongalong wrote:Then,............. super chargers run on solar power ?

There are a few around
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Dax » 18 Aug 2019, 08:56

This is an interesting article with a graph for many Ev's claimed range and the actual range done by this test. it's notable they all seem to claim longer ranges then they can actually accomplish, the closest to their claim is the Kona. As I have one, they may be driving it like an ICE car, or are terrible drivers. My Kona has exceeded the quoted and most test ranges, just about all Kona users claim they go as far or if it further than Hyundai claims. Telsa seems to be the opposite, with everyone I've talked to saying they can't get anywhere near the range Tesla claims in Aus. From my understanding, this could be related to how regen braking works in each brand. Have been told Tesla regen braking is just crap and now the base model 3 in Aus will be well over $70000 and still have way less range than a Kona.

"How far can Tesla's Model 3 really go? On-road measurements reveal the 'affordable' electric car falls short of its claimed range by 90 MILES"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/ ... aimed.html
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby DonDeeHippy » 18 Aug 2019, 19:59

Dax wrote:This is an interesting article with a graph for many Ev's claimed range and the actual range done by this test. it's notable they all seem to claim longer ranges then they can actually accomplish, the closest to their claim is the Kona. As I have one, they may be driving it like an ICE car, or are terrible drivers. My Kona has exceeded the quoted and most test ranges, just about all Kona users claim they go as far or if it further than Hyundai claims. Telsa seems to be the opposite, with everyone I've talked to saying they can't get anywhere near the range Tesla claims in Aus. From my understanding, this could be related to how regen braking works in each brand. Have been told Tesla regen braking is just crap and now the base model 3 in Aus will be well over $70000 and still have way less range than a Kona.

"How far can Tesla's Model 3 really go? On-road measurements reveal the 'affordable' electric car falls short of its claimed range by 90 MILES"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/ ... aimed.html

Those are government tests, not done by the manufactures it seems the USA government standards are the closest to real life. I noticed a Hyundai was the worse there with 33% out, if it was manufactures that give out the amounts Hyundai would be the biggest cheaters...good thing it isn’t, I noticed their testing they just do a few laps and work out the range. They didn’t actually drive the vehicles down to say 5% and see what they could do. Not really a good test...
I notice the Tesla was 196 miles and the Kona was 259 that’s about 30% more range and that’s how much bigger the kona battery is to the Tesla :purple
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Postby Bongalong » 19 Aug 2019, 13:33

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Bongalong wrote:Cool... those numbers are sales!!! What do you think the profit margin would be per vehicle?

Have to be in the vicinity of 10 grand minimum to make this work wouldn't it!!?? (Total random guess!)

they have one of the highest profit margins for any car company of around 20%.

Companies like GM and Toyota rely on numbers with some of their cars only making $1000 a car, so a Tesla S would make $25,000 AUD profit. The Tesla 3 in the USA last year was the highest money maker for cars (big F trucks though are the biggest sellers in the USA)both Gross and profit...

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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

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DonDeeHippy wrote:
Bongalong wrote:Then,............. super chargers run on solar power ?

There are a few around

Super-duper chargers? :yellow :b
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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

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DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:This is an interesting article with a graph for many Ev's claimed range and the actual range done by this test. it's notable they all seem to claim longer ranges then they can actually accomplish, the closest to their claim is the Kona. As I have one, they may be driving it like an ICE car, or are terrible drivers. My Kona has exceeded the quoted and most test ranges, just about all Kona users claim they go as far or if it further than Hyundai claims. Telsa seems to be the opposite, with everyone I've talked to saying they can't get anywhere near the range Tesla claims in Aus. From my understanding, this could be related to how regen braking works in each brand. Have been told Tesla regen braking is just crap and now the base model 3 in Aus will be well over $70000 and still have way less range than a Kona.

"How far can Tesla's Model 3 really go? On-road measurements reveal the 'affordable' electric car falls short of its claimed range by 90 MILES"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/ ... aimed.html

Those are government tests, not done by the manufactures it seems the USA government standards are the closest to real life. I noticed a Hyundai was the worse there with 33% out, if it was manufactures that give out the amounts Hyundai would be the biggest cheaters...good thing it isn’t, I noticed their testing they just do a few laps and work out the range. They didn’t actually drive the vehicles down to say 5% and see what they could do. Not really a good test...
I notice the Tesla was 196 miles and the Kona was 259 that’s about 30% more range and that’s how much bigger the kona battery is to the Tesla :purple


I'm not a hyundai fan, nor a kona fan. It just happens to be the best EV on the market at this time. Ev's cheaper than the Kona, have much less range for their price and the kona has more range than much dearer Ev's. including the model 3. There are very few Ev's that can claim the same value for money, a Kona does at this time. You could probably bet within a couple of years as the industry matures and technology catches up, current tesla and kona will be classed as prehistoric and 1000klm ranges on highway and off road Ev's. Shorter ranges will be the norm for urban transport.
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