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Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby mothra » 14 May 2018, 17:51

Laws that allow rapists to marry their victims come from colonialism, not Islam
That there has been such appreciable change in public attitudes towards these laws in the Middle East demonstrates that such discrimination is not inherent to the societies in which we currently find them

In Jordan, it’s easy for a convicted rapist to simply walk free from court; all he has to do is to subject his victim to yet another terrible ordeal.

Article 308 of the Jordanian penal code means that a rapist can escape punishment if he agrees to marry his victim. Only if the marriage lasts for less than three years does he have to serve his time. Between 2010 and 2013, a total of 159 rapists walked free in this way.

After a hard-fought campaign led by activists and women’s groups over many years, that escape route is now thankfully closing after MPs agreed to abolish the law. It is the latest example of a wave of activism across the Middle East and North Africa that is gradually sweeping away laws which institutionalise violence against women.

Similar legislation has been abolished in Egypt, Morocco and just last week in Tunisia, while activists in Lebanon have seen their demands for abolition endorsed by the government and are now awaiting parliamentary approval.

In Beirut last year, artist Mireille Honein hung battered wedding dresses by nooses along the city’s seafront promenade. Meanwhile in Jordan, activists created a powerful video that has been viewed by thousands of people on Youtube and Facebook.

But while the activism challenging these laws is rooted firmly in the community, it may be surprising to some that the laws themselves are not a product of local tradition.

Article 308 is a remnant of the Ottoman rule, but its origin is even more distant – historically and geographically – as the Ottomans had imported it from the French penal code. In countries that were under French colonial rule, such as Lebanon and Tunisia, laws like Article 308 are a direct hangover.

The roots of these laws lie in the cultural impact of centuries under colonial rule, where subjugation was ultimately secured by a true “gentlemen’s agreement”. While foreign powers took control of the state, in exchange they offered local men complete control of their homes.

The colonialists fed and legitimised the misogynist voices within the colonised, and so many of the barriers that women face in the region stem directly from this strategy of using patriarchy as a tool of oppression.

When seen from this perspective, it is less surprising to find that law surrounding rape that gave birth to all those we find in the Middle East and North Africa was only abolished in France as recently as 1994 – only five years before Egypt did away with it.

But many European-imported laws do still exist throughout the region. Last year in Tunisia, a judge provoked national outcry when he ordered that a 13-year old girl should marry her 20-year old step brother after he raped her, leaving her pregnant.

This particularly shocking case exposes one of the few arguments supporters of these laws still cling to – the social stigma that victims of rape must deal with in the region. In a large proportion of cases, the true victims of this law are girls and young women whose families agree to the marriages as they feel the girls will be ostracised from society if they are known to be victims.

So powerful is the sense that it is the victims – and not the perpetrators – who are forever debased by rape, that politicians opposed to abolition claim the laws provide perhaps the only opportunity for victims of rape to lead a “conventional” life.

There is evidence to suggest that those attitudes are changing, with local campaigns perhaps as a driving force. Research carried out by the Jordanian Civil Society Coalition for the Abolition of Article 308 found that over 70 per cent of Jordanians currently support abolition – with only just over 13 per cent supporting retention. When Jordan’s National Council for Family Affairs surveyed attitudes in 2013, their results suggested the law enjoyed the support of over 55 per cent of Jordanians.

That there has been such appreciable change in public attitudes towards these laws demonstrates that such discrimination is not inherent to the societies in which we currently find them.

They are some of the last vestiges of colonialism, and will hopefully all be consigned to history too.


https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rape-conviction-laws-marry-rapist-jordan-egypt-morocco-tunisia-came-from-french-colonial-times-a7872556.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1526213691
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby johnsmith » 14 May 2018, 19:02

FD will be absolutely devastated if he were to read that.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby mothra » 14 May 2018, 19:24

johnsmith wrote:FD will be absolutely devastated if he were to read that.


I am desperately hoping that his (and other's) attention is drawn to it.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby johnsmith » 14 May 2018, 19:25

mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:FD will be absolutely devastated if he were to read that.


I am desperately hoping that his (and other's) attention is drawn to it.



You;ll have to get Aussie or monk to post it on ozpol for you.


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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby mothra » 14 May 2018, 19:26

johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:FD will be absolutely devastated if he were to read that.


I am desperately hoping that his (and other's) attention is drawn to it.



You;ll have to get Aussie or monk to post it on ozpol for you.





If he was, you've just blown it ... dickhead ... :oops
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby HBS Guy » 14 May 2018, 19:55

Posted it in Islam.

Where IS Greggy?


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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby mothra » 14 May 2018, 20:35

HBS Guy wrote:Posted it in Islam.

Where IS Greggy?


Dickheads will always be among us!


Thanks Monk. Let's see if FD pays any attention. You might have scared him off by reminding him of me though ... but thanks.

And yes, we've all a little dickhead inside of us.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby HBS Guy » 14 May 2018, 21:01

Looks like he is deflecting—concubine not wife. I said, no, marriage not concubinage.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby HBS Guy » 14 May 2018, 21:07

FD seems to be 90% dickhead.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby mothra » 14 May 2018, 21:09

HBS Guy wrote:Looks like he is deflecting—concubine not wife. I said, no, marriage not concubinage.


I doubt he's even read the article. If he had, the mention of Tunisia in close proximity to reminders about my existence would have set him off like a firecracker.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

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HBS Guy wrote:FD seems to be 90% dickhead.



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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby HBS Guy » 14 May 2018, 21:13

99?


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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby mothra » 14 May 2018, 21:15

HBS Guy wrote:99?


:OMG


You think there's a percentage that isn't dickhead?
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby HBS Guy » 14 May 2018, 21:30

I tried, even mentioned “Tunisia” but I guess FD is not interested in improvements in Islam, especially not those relating to women.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby johnsmith » 14 May 2018, 22:37

mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:FD will be absolutely devastated if he were to read that.


I am desperately hoping that his (and other's) attention is drawn to it.



You;ll have to get Aussie or monk to post it on ozpol for you.





If he was, you've just blown it ... dickhead ... :oops



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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby pinkeye » 14 May 2018, 22:47

mothra wrote:Laws that allow rapists to marry their victims come from colonialism, not Islam
That there has been such appreciable change in public attitudes towards these laws in the Middle East demonstrates that such discrimination is not inherent to the societies in which we currently find them

In Jordan, it’s easy for a convicted rapist to simply walk free from court; all he has to do is to subject his victim to yet another terrible ordeal.

Article 308 of the Jordanian penal code means that a rapist can escape punishment if he agrees to marry his victim. Only if the marriage lasts for less than three years does he have to serve his time. Between 2010 and 2013, a total of 159 rapists walked free in this way.

After a hard-fought campaign led by activists and women’s groups over many years, that escape route is now thankfully closing after MPs agreed to abolish the law. It is the latest example of a wave of activism across the Middle East and North Africa that is gradually sweeping away laws which institutionalise violence against women.

Similar legislation has been abolished in Egypt, Morocco and just last week in Tunisia, while activists in Lebanon have seen their demands for abolition endorsed by the government and are now awaiting parliamentary approval.

In Beirut last year, artist Mireille Honein hung battered wedding dresses by nooses along the city’s seafront promenade. Meanwhile in Jordan, activists created a powerful video that has been viewed by thousands of people on Youtube and Facebook.

But while the activism challenging these laws is rooted firmly in the community, it may be surprising to some that the laws themselves are not a product of local tradition.

Article 308 is a remnant of the Ottoman rule, but its origin is even more distant – historically and geographically – as the Ottomans had imported it from the French penal code. In countries that were under French colonial rule, such as Lebanon and Tunisia, laws like Article 308 are a direct hangover.

The roots of these laws lie in the cultural impact of centuries under colonial rule, where subjugation was ultimately secured by a true “gentlemen’s agreement”. While foreign powers took control of the state, in exchange they offered local men complete control of their homes.

The colonialists fed and legitimised the misogynist voices within the colonised, and so many of the barriers that women face in the region stem directly from this strategy of using patriarchy as a tool of oppression.

When seen from this perspective, it is less surprising to find that law surrounding rape that gave birth to all those we find in the Middle East and North Africa was only abolished in France as recently as 1994 – only five years before Egypt did away with it.

But many European-imported laws do still exist throughout the region. Last year in Tunisia, a judge provoked national outcry when he ordered that a 13-year old girl should marry her 20-year old step brother after he raped her, leaving her pregnant.

This particularly shocking case exposes one of the few arguments supporters of these laws still cling to – the social stigma that victims of rape must deal with in the region. In a large proportion of cases, the true victims of this law are girls and young women whose families agree to the marriages as they feel the girls will be ostracised from society if they are known to be victims.

So powerful is the sense that it is the victims – and not the perpetrators – who are forever debased by rape, that politicians opposed to abolition claim the laws provide perhaps the only opportunity for victims of rape to lead a “conventional” life.

There is evidence to suggest that those attitudes are changing, with local campaigns perhaps as a driving force. Research carried out by the Jordanian Civil Society Coalition for the Abolition of Article 308 found that over 70 per cent of Jordanians currently support abolition – with only just over 13 per cent supporting retention. When Jordan’s National Council for Family Affairs surveyed attitudes in 2013, their results suggested the law enjoyed the support of over 55 per cent of Jordanians.

That there has been such appreciable change in public attitudes towards these laws demonstrates that such discrimination is not inherent to the societies in which we currently find them.

They are some of the last vestiges of colonialism, and will hopefully all be consigned to history too.


https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rape-conviction-laws-marry-rapist-jordan-egypt-morocco-tunisia-came-from-french-colonial-times-a7872556.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1526213691


Interesting stuff Mothra.

The vaunted western christian world has much to answer for, historically, and TODAY.

The extent to which the 'great western' colonial countries raped and pillaged on other continents just guarantees the sort backlash we see today.
Australia is cutting it's own throat by the manner in which deals with the oppressed.

Goes around comes around.

Take South Africa, for one very obvious example.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby johnsmith » 14 May 2018, 23:11

pinkeye wrote:The vaunted western christian world has much to answer for, historically, and TODAY.


The 'vaunted christian world' is responsible for some of history's worst atrocities, as well as some of the worst treatment of a fellow human being imaginable.
Google religious torture devices if you want to see just how morbid the religious nutters are
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby pinkeye » 14 May 2018, 23:31

johnsmith wrote:
pinkeye wrote:The vaunted western christian world has much to answer for, historically, and TODAY.


The 'vaunted christian world' is responsible for some of history's worst atrocities, as well as some of the worst treatment of a fellow human being imaginable.
Google religious torture devices if you want to see just how morbid the religious nutters are


Nah thanks.
My folks had a Wax Museum (believe it or not), and amongst the displays were what were called dioramas. They were actually made by the great-grand son of the Madame Tussaud,. His name was Hugh.

He created a number of themed dioramas, in miniature, including Australiana, and Folk/Fairy tales. But the most amazing of all were the dioramas of Tortures of the Medieval age. It had them in abundance. The Rack, The Press, The Wheel, The Razor, The Iron Boot, The Gibbet ,The Mare's Bridle, Madame Guillotine,etc etc.. all littleteeny people in dire straits. Occams Razor.. mind-boggling.

Yeah definitely a one-of-a-kind collection.
Human size they had all the greats as well.

When they died, most of this went to Surfers Paradise, .. the Wax Museum there. Check it out.. if it's still there. I keep meaning to visit the folks who run it again, but I hate driving down to the Coast.

What the Crusaders did in the 'Holy Land' as they call it, was just so appalling, it would have probably been better for the World, if they'd lost. :roll
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby mothra » 14 May 2018, 23:33

pinkeye wrote:Interesting stuff Mothra.

The vaunted western christian world has much to answer for, historically, and TODAY.

The extent to which the 'great western' colonial countries raped and pillaged on other continents just guarantees the sort backlash we see today.
Australia is cutting it's own throat by the manner in which deals with the oppressed.

Goes around comes around.

Take South Africa, for one very obvious example.



That's it Pink. Whole lot to answer for. And it permeates through the very building blocks of society.

Ans here we are, still working on ceasing whining about being resented long enough to see our obvious privilege.

.... and so the resentment grows.

Seriously, if it were kids, you'd sit them down and explain it to them and all would be well.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby mothra » 14 May 2018, 23:36

pinkeye wrote:
Nah thanks.
My folks had a Wax Museum (believe it or not), and amongst the displays were what were called dioramas. They were actually made by the great-grand son of the Madame Tussaud,. His name was Hugh.

He created a number of themed dioramas, in miniature, including Australiana, and Folk/Fairy tales. But the most amazing of all were the dioramas of Tortures of the Medieval age. It had them in abundance. The Rack, The Press, The Wheel, The Razor, The Iron Boot, The Gibbet ,The Mare's Bridle, Madame Guillotine,etc etc.. all littleteeny people in dire straits. Occams Razor.. mind-boggling.

Yeah definitely a one-of-a-kind collection.
Human size they had all the greats as well.

When they died, most of this went to Surfers Paradise, .. the Wax Museum there. Check it out.. if it's still there. I keep meaning to visit the folks who run it again, but I hate driving down to the Coast.

What the Crusaders did in the 'Holy Land' as they call it, was just so appalling, it would have probably been better for the World, if they'd lost. :roll


That is a seriously cool story.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby johnsmith » 14 May 2018, 23:42

mothra wrote:
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Nah thanks.
My folks had a Wax Museum (believe it or not), and amongst the displays were what were called dioramas. They were actually made by the great-grand son of the Madame Tussaud,. His name was Hugh.

He created a number of themed dioramas, in miniature, including Australiana, and Folk/Fairy tales. But the most amazing of all were the dioramas of Tortures of the Medieval age. It had them in abundance. The Rack, The Press, The Wheel, The Razor, The Iron Boot, The Gibbet ,The Mare's Bridle, Madame Guillotine,etc etc.. all littleteeny people in dire straits. Occams Razor.. mind-boggling.

Yeah definitely a one-of-a-kind collection.
Human size they had all the greats as well.

When they died, most of this went to Surfers Paradise, .. the Wax Museum there. Check it out.. if it's still there. I keep meaning to visit the folks who run it again, but I hate driving down to the Coast.

What the Crusaders did in the 'Holy Land' as they call it, was just so appalling, it would have probably been better for the World, if they'd lost. :roll


That is a seriously cool story.



isn't it just ...

I've visited a few torture chambers, complete with tools of trade, in various castles across the Romanian countryside .... the people who came up with that stuff were some seriously sick fuckers.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby mothra » 14 May 2018, 23:44

johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote:
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Nah thanks.
My folks had a Wax Museum (believe it or not), and amongst the displays were what were called dioramas. They were actually made by the great-grand son of the Madame Tussaud,. His name was Hugh.

He created a number of themed dioramas, in miniature, including Australiana, and Folk/Fairy tales. But the most amazing of all were the dioramas of Tortures of the Medieval age. It had them in abundance. The Rack, The Press, The Wheel, The Razor, The Iron Boot, The Gibbet ,The Mare's Bridle, Madame Guillotine,etc etc.. all littleteeny people in dire straits. Occams Razor.. mind-boggling.

Yeah definitely a one-of-a-kind collection.
Human size they had all the greats as well.

When they died, most of this went to Surfers Paradise, .. the Wax Museum there. Check it out.. if it's still there. I keep meaning to visit the folks who run it again, but I hate driving down to the Coast.

What the Crusaders did in the 'Holy Land' as they call it, was just so appalling, it would have probably been better for the World, if they'd lost. :roll


That is a seriously cool story.



isn't it just ...

I've visited a few torture chambers, complete with tools of trade, in various castles across the Romanian countryside .... the people who came up with that stuff were some seriously sick fuckers.


That's Vlad country, isn't it?
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Postby pinkeye » 14 May 2018, 23:47

Yeah good old Vlad the Impaler. He mainly picked on Muslims and witches didn't he? Or anyone else he didn't like of course.
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Re: Rape marriage laws - colonial not Islam

Postby johnsmith » 14 May 2018, 23:54

mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote:
pinkeye wrote:
Nah thanks.
My folks had a Wax Museum (believe it or not), and amongst the displays were what were called dioramas. They were actually made by the great-grand son of the Madame Tussaud,. His name was Hugh.

He created a number of themed dioramas, in miniature, including Australiana, and Folk/Fairy tales. But the most amazing of all were the dioramas of Tortures of the Medieval age. It had them in abundance. The Rack, The Press, The Wheel, The Razor, The Iron Boot, The Gibbet ,The Mare's Bridle, Madame Guillotine,etc etc.. all littleteeny people in dire straits. Occams Razor.. mind-boggling.

Yeah definitely a one-of-a-kind collection.
Human size they had all the greats as well.

When they died, most of this went to Surfers Paradise, .. the Wax Museum there. Check it out.. if it's still there. I keep meaning to visit the folks who run it again, but I hate driving down to the Coast.

What the Crusaders did in the 'Holy Land' as they call it, was just so appalling, it would have probably been better for the World, if they'd lost. :roll


That is a seriously cool story.



isn't it just ...

I've visited a few torture chambers, complete with tools of trade, in various castles across the Romanian countryside .... the people who came up with that stuff were some seriously sick fuckers.


That's Vlad country, isn't it?


That's the one ... I've even been in the castle said to be the one Bram Stroker based his story on

Interesting story my wife told me about it all ....
As Romania was a closed society due to communism, most people in Transylvania had no idea of the story of Dracula ... Bram Stoker had travelled through 50 or 60 yrs earlier, and dracula really only found it's cult following after the dracula movies came out many years later
Shortly after the fall of communism, all these strange foreign people kept travelling to transylvania to see Dracula's castle ... the residents thought the gods were smiling down on them. All these idiots paying good money and they couldn't even get the name right (Dracul v's Dracula). Once the figured it out, they quickly learnt to milk it. Now nearly every town or city within 200km claims to have had some sort of relationship to Dracul
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Postby johnsmith » 14 May 2018, 23:56

pinkeye wrote:Yeah good old Vlad the Impaler. He mainly picked on Muslims and witches didn't he? Or anyone else he didn't like of course.


Apparently he was terrible to invaders and criminals, but great with his people. The general populace loved him and he treated them well. Crime rates were very low while Vlad ruled.
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