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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Postby HBS Guy » 12 Apr 2018, 17:42

Photos.

1. The LOVERLY clay “soil”
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2. Back has been rotary hoed and 26 bags of gypsum spread Mar 2017. I think he missed a strip! Yup, same cracks also at the extreme back of the block. To improve/provide drainage 5 deep rips were made across the back of the block and one down the length of the block. Measuring and pegging out where the deep rips are/should be and where the trees will go:
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You can see the three cider apple strips and the two dwarf cherry/pear/apple trees will go. Two strings can be seen and the wide yellow line is my 30m measuring tape. You can also see the short star droppers marking the point a tree will go.

3. The materials used, mainly coarse sand and compost guarded by a fierce dog :roll
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4. After spreading gypsum on the surface of the soil sand started being carted and dumped:
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Mounds of sand were dumped, raked, gypsum spread then compost dumped on top, raked and gyspsum spread

5. Occasionally, a cleansing ale was taken, purely medicinally, of course!
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6. The mounds were dug, bringing up the heavy soil to the surface (where it was, of course, spread with gypsum, then a handful each of blood and bone and potassium sulphate were spread with a double handful of rock minerals, then a bag of sheep shit poured over the top. Pink bag is gypsum, green bag is sheep shit.
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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Postby Aussie » 12 Apr 2018, 17:51

That 'wude person' is an arsehole! Well, it seems you did actually work down there, and not just have a bludge!

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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Postby mothra » 12 Apr 2018, 17:53

Nice job Monk! You must be well pleased with yourself.
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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Postby johnsmith » 12 Apr 2018, 18:09

Aussie wrote:That 'wude person' is an arsehole!

Gee, I wonder who that was :smack
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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Postby HBS Guy » 12 Apr 2018, 18:19

Yes, am pleased with myself. Miketrees thinks I have spaced the trees a bit far apart but if so, too late to do anything about it. I think light can get through to all the trees.
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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Postby johnsmith » 12 Apr 2018, 18:22

HBS Guy wrote:Miketrees thinks I have spaced the trees a bit far apart but if so, too late to do anything about it.


I don't think so. At least not based on what I see on the photos, distances can be deceptive. Once they're fully grown they look like they'll be touching each other anyway.




In the interest of full disclosure, I should probably mention that just about every plant I've ever planted has died
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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Postby HBS Guy » 12 Apr 2018, 18:59

I will do what I can to have the branches on the cider apple trees as close to horizontal as possible, reducing the actual spacing of trees within and between rows. Horizontal branches increase the yield of apples.

The dwarf apple and pear trees will be espaliered, grown vertical (trunk) and horizontal (branches).

Enough space to work around the trees, suppressing grass and weeds etc.
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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Postby HBS Guy » 13 Apr 2018, 09:33

The three cider apple tree rows are 5m apart, 4.6m distance between trees. Canopies will be 3.5–4m wide.

Seems similar to distances I have seen in photos of apple orchards.

Planting at 2.3m centres will certainly present a wall of foliage to foraging/pollinating bees. I have asked the cider group about the closer spacing, see what they say.

The cherry/eating-cooking apples/perry pears are dwarf trees and will be grown at 1m spacing with one tree espaliered at 1200 and 1500 (maybe 1800) the next tree at 1400, 1700 (maybe 2200) then back to 1200/1500 etc for nice growing-in-to-each-other aiding pollination. Normally espaliered trees are at 2m intervals but I am greedy.

Espaliered apple trees, for illustration of the concept:
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Cherry trees (most other fruit trees apart from apples and pears) cannot be espaliered horizontally but diagonally:
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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Postby HBS Guy » 19 Apr 2018, 11:51

I have bought a package of Empathy RHS 150g Rootgrow Mycorrhizal Fungi. These fungi get inside the tree roots and help them assimilate nutrients and water from the soil.

I am looking at rolls of weedmat at the moment, familiarise myself with widths, lengths and weight (g/sqm, 85gsm seems to be a minimum) and prices and be able to snap up a real bargain. Will see what Bunnings has and see if there are places supplying commercial orchardists.

Be looking at mulches soon. Need acid mulch because my soil is actually alkaline, not acid as I thought looking at soil maps. Will add a bit more pot. sulphate at planting time too.
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