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Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 23 Apr 2015, 08:02

When we celebrate Anzac Day what are we remembering?

A young journalist tells the story—this is rivetting viewing!

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/lest-w ... 321H001S00
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 23 Apr 2015, 08:08

Hmmmm a bit of history:

“It’s a long forgotten fact that the very first ANZAC parade was organised by unions in Adelaide 0n 13 October 1915.
The Adelaide trades and labour council decided to use their traditional Labour Day event in support of returned veterans and to raise money for the wounded.
While the union movement backed the Diggers who went off to war, it was also unions that led the anti-conscription campaigns in 1916 and 1917.”

Read more of this fascinating history by Neale Towart on Working Life today. | http://bit.ly/1Ei7UM2


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Re: Gallipoli

Postby Lefty » 24 Apr 2015, 05:01

HBS Guy wrote:Hmmmm a bit of history:

“It’s a long forgotten fact that the very first ANZAC parade was organised by unions in Adelaide 0n 13 October 1915.
The Adelaide trades and labour council decided to use their traditional Labour Day event in support of returned veterans and to raise money for the wounded.
While the union movement backed the Diggers who went off to war, it was also unions that led the anti-conscription campaigns in 1916 and 1917.”

Read more of this fascinating history by Neale Towart on Working Life today. | http://bit.ly/1Ei7UM2


(Both links from PBX)


Very informative!
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Apr 2015, 08:54

What have I learned about Anzac Day?

1. The ANZAC were landed at their intended destination: Brighton Beach not far from the Cove had barbed wire in the sea, would have been a catastrophe to land there.

2. The cove where the ANZAC landed is not the cove where the commemoration service is being held

3. The French suffered more losses than the ANZAC did.

4. Simpson and his donkey is a myth.

5. Even if the Allies had taken Constantinople nothing would have changed—the war was being fought on the Western front, Turkey had nothing to do with it. Winston Churchill was no strategist.

6. The English soldiers drinking tea on the beach while the ANZAC soldiers mounted this big campaign to win a hill is another myth

7. Aboriginal soldiers who joined up, and were encouraged to join up—the ANZAC was being depleted and there were no reinforcements coming—were treated very very shabbily after the war.

8. On the Western Front the ANZAC soldiers and generals learned the lessons from the earlier massacres on the Somme, Ypres etc. Look up Battle of Hamel.

9. Can we please stop fighting in other people’s battles? Sudan, Boer War, WWI, WWII (not so much after the Japs invaded PNG of course) Konfrontasi, Malay Insurgency, Korea and Viet Nam.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Apr 2015, 14:27

Was it UK PM Asquith’s mistress who approved the mad Dardanelles plan?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ww1/anza ... mqiqc.html
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Apr 2015, 05:22

Alan Ramsay:
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/anzac-day ... msefn.html

Parallels between Iraq 2013-14 and Vietname 1965-71, fighting other peoples’ batles.

He LOVES Abbott, oh he really does! :bgrin
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Apr 2015, 13:19

http://insidestory.org.au/gallipoli-and-forgetting

There were nationalities other than Aust & NZ on the Dardanelles http://insidestory.org.au/gallipoli-and-forgetting The French suffered 15000 killed. A nice perspective article.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby Aussie » 26 Apr 2015, 13:56

HBS Guy wrote:http://insidestory.org.au/gallipoli-and-forgetting

There were nationalities other than Aust & NZ on the Dardanelles http://insidestory.org.au/gallipoli-and-forgetting The French suffered 15000 killed. A nice perspective article.


Turks did well defending their Country.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Apr 2015, 15:07

Yes, they did well, no one has ever denied that.

Heh, I guess I have sort of ignored the Turks.

Something not so nice about the Turks:

https://independentaustralia.net/articl ... menia,7630

The Armenian genocide by the Turks and our spineless govt’s refusal to acknowledge let alone condemn it.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 01 May 2015, 10:58

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015 ... -religion/

But what is at the heart of McIntyre’s firing is the real religion of the supposedly “secular West”: mandated worship not just of its military but of its wars. The central dogma of this religion is tribal superiority: Our Side is more civilized, more peaceful, superior to Their Side.

McIntyre was fired because he committed blasphemy against that religion
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That’s why Scott McIntyre was fired: because he questioned and disputed the most sacred doctrine of the West’s religion. In a free, healthy and pluralistic society, doing so would be the defining attribute of a journalist, the highest aim. But in societies that, above all else, demand unyielding tribal loyalty and subservient adherence to orthodoxies, it’s viewed as an egregious breach of journalism and gets you fired


SBS soccer reports Scott McIntyre tweeted using his SBS account 2 tweets critical of the Anzac mythology and the orgy of war glorification on the centenary Anzac Day. He tweeted facts, maybe he should not have used his SBS account?

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Remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these ‘brave’ Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby Aussie » 01 May 2015, 18:15

Can't find quickly where we were talking about Anzac biscuits. I made a post that the biscuits the blokes received at Gallipole were hard as nails, and that was based on some ABC radio programme I had just heard.

Some further stuff here.

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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 31 Jan 2018, 16:15

So, what the soldiers got was hardtack. Anzac biccies were used for fundraising.

Hmmm different to the popular story.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby dissilymordentroge » 17 Oct 2018, 11:24

HBS Guy wrote:Hmmmm a bit of history:

“It’s a long forgotten fact that the very first ANZAC parade was organised by unions in Adelaide 0n 13 October 1915.
The Adelaide trades and labour council decided to use their traditional Labour Day event in support of returned veterans and to raise money for the wounded.
While the union movement backed the Diggers who went off to war, it was also unions that led the anti-conscription campaigns in 1916 and 1917.”
ead more of this fascinating history by Neale Towart on Working Life today. | http://bit.ly/1Ei7UM2

Another fact the focus on. Our obsession with Gallipoli ignores the disastrous acquiescence of the Australian Gov't to British military priorities which cared nothing about knowingly leading Australian troops to their certain deaths.The birth of a nation? If blindly sucking up to Mother England could be called the birth of a nation maybe. Like Paul Keating, I suggest if we must focus on a single military action on Anzac day it should be the Kokoda Track (Trail to the Yanks),
The Human Race is insane.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Oct 2018, 13:08

Very true, dissi!
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Oct 2018, 13:10

Or focus on the Battle of Hamel: Australian soldiers under Australian command using sensible tactics drove the Germans back 20Km and took thousands of German prisoners who had had enough of war. Ludendorff called it “the blackest day in the German Army history.”
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby Roxelana » 06 Jun 2019, 18:04

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Another fact the focus on. Our obsession with Gallipoli ignores the disastrous acquiescence of the Australian Gov't to British military priorities which cared nothing about knowingly leading Australian troops to their certain deaths.The birth of a nation? If blindly sucking up to Mother England could be called the birth of a nation maybe. Like Paul Keating, I suggest if we must focus on a single military action on Anzac day it should be the Kokoda Track (Trail to the Yanks),[/quote]

Firstly, I dispute the fact (not posted by you) that we CELEBRATE ANZAC Day. We commemorate it (or we should). Secondly, much as I admire Paul Keating, he is not telling me what to concentrate on, on ANZAC Day, when I go over to our local ANZAC Park, wander around the various sections, and discover that someone I knew at school was killed in the Vietnam War when he was 21.

Thirdly, DO we consider ANZAC Day the anniversary of the birth of a nation? What about 26 January? I agree the date needs changing, but I don’t know what to.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby Bongalong » 06 Jun 2019, 20:04

The day doesn't need changing... f'n ridiculous crap!
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Jun 2019, 20:26

I think the casualty lists maybe turned 6 former colonies into a nation—I dunno, I wasn’t there then :roll :bgrin

But a day that is not celebrating white invasion might be good.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby Bongalong » 06 Jun 2019, 20:48

HBS Guy wrote:I think the casualty lists maybe turned 6 former colonies into a nation—I dunno, I wasn’t there then :roll :bgrin

But a day that is not celebrating white invasion might be good.

Why don't you pick a day then?
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Jun 2019, 20:52

Not my place. Would have to read up on history.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby Bongalong » 06 Jun 2019, 20:59

HBS Guy wrote:Not my place. Would have to read up on history.

Why don't you look up "invasion" for a laugh and then look in the mirror when you realise you're a parody of an intellect.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Jun 2019, 21:10

No.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby Roxelana » 07 Jun 2019, 08:38

Bongalong wrote:The day doesn't need changing... f'n ridiculous crap!



Nice welcome. Thanks very much. Why don’t you get your head out of the sand? Australia Day is causing more and more trouble. I would suggest ANZAC Day, but I suspect the aboriginal contribution to our war effort would somehow complicate that too.

Anyway, Gallipoli was a good movie. :smitten
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby HBS Guy » 07 Jun 2019, 17:48

DRAH (I like his monicker Death Rides A Horse better than any since) gets a bit excited and repetitious but he is OK.
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Re: Gallipoli

Postby Bongalong » 07 Jun 2019, 18:04

HBS Guy wrote:DRAH (I like his monicker Death Rides A Horse better than any since) gets a bit excited and repetitious but he is OK.

I get repetitious do I? Have you checked the mirror lately buddy?
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