Gardening

[HBS Guy]

It IS a popup!

[johnsmith]

It IS a popup!

i read all the details except the title bit about it being pop up

[Aussie]

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-4-Person-Big-Thick-Waterproof-PopUp-Tent-Outdoor-Family-Camping-Hiking-Fishing/264313145880?hash=item3d8a4a8a18&var&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&enc=AQADAAAC8FjVrDbVsZ8oH%2F8PNHtt9VX4%2Fw7FZcmMuqsX8uaFEduVEb%2BuLZ6plWCoRJNEgR6vE7UjojcEiCBKJK15ynZApcWLPOiQn7Mp57B%2BI%2FuA2s5mhV0W2vJs%2FmFnSIGXnx4epbbKPEeBNWULHUx5xoYaU1upyNfeRb1V8P8Vtvv6P9ouhjq8FJugXPTqQwqbKGOwh2ZXAWhyxRc6nCHqs%2FgLkkt6TK72OQoN0p1SOPodQ22%2FdYmONYX23VjoPoYjD9HYYSVDdsw9kAEC32P9YUr%2FC%2BC%2F6bzoe1J4amQXogYy0pcmB393BKrk0EI2%2BmUL95zCeVMf9q07%2FUqDaZ4d50E05fji%2Bn4xO3trTNBnU8ZaXrqq0e%2BnmM%2FC7bFylLum3aAwwy2XFMjhuk1KepR0o%2Fmh4nhZah1KRcfd8z4xDkLS6hK4RiRKCqVF22TJ65hfz%2B1ZGrX64EolhnaZAOTKKf8Q00p5LKNWCbktxx3YEkVd%2F5WDc5QlsR666Em%2BhOFYnBpgrSqIDTTwXXVTWmTQrgnvgg3Ff6coT9wEDCGbE5AUENxadlskzUFGdbmEnEAx%2FL4nHQMUvrt%2BGsngiKVKrbhJLGtlAtiMflnwSgaDEbYVVQpzGw%2F%2FhPK9m1YYHSq9G9id2jQEwu%2Fe2dvSaLvIFXviwmm8ZIldalBvsUSx%2BFm%2F4quYO0vbge62QV3h2u4QPkAHa8SOMjq8oE30083Gh7ih3GvVO7CHJMmuFV%2BnEDyyZZsJdilyJxKM8ZepFzh9bm59%2FBtYLxJwIxst0A2pcFp0JjGMKrRa556fDNMEvA4rWFqUrjCN5h4gEAa61FYV5861wuLs%2B0%2BlJHcowOOKt%2FTPmbEoKskvPEaAVDm8sVt5DuUpnuhc1wgqydNL7cimzcuhw7dqCOSXsV%2BKN%2BQaMjNNHcaeZDEE3YKw5UDZSBn%2B89r21NG11uPJ6I8Y5YeJ4aLqzywVcyfOtfmW2749ehTSDuNtcKAMsBWuexT5owjU6qM8&checksum=264313145880e775cc0d1fdd44dfb83158a2ddf92aad

All I get on that link is a bunch of tents....none of the kind described by Monk.

[HBS Guy]

You are doing it wrong Aussie. Something Mrs Aussie says on a regular basis I am sure!

[Aussie]

You are doing it wrong Aussie. Something Mrs Aussie says on a regular basis I am sure!

All I can do is click on the bastard. Not my problem what comes out of that. Many tents.

[johnsmith]

You are doing it wrong Aussie. Something Mrs Aussie says on a regular basis I am sure!

[johnsmith]

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-4-Person-Big-Thick-Waterproof-PopUp-Tent-Outdoor-Family-Camping-Hiking-Fishing/264313145880?hash=item3d8a4a8a18&var&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&enc=AQADAAAC8FjVrDbVsZ8oH%2F8PNHtt9VX4%2Fw7FZcmMuqsX8uaFEduVEb%2BuLZ6plWCoRJNEgR6vE7UjojcEiCBKJK15ynZApcWLPOiQn7Mp57B%2BI%2FuA2s5mhV0W2vJs%2FmFnSIGXnx4epbbKPEeBNWULHUx5xoYaU1upyNfeRb1V8P8Vtvv6P9ouhjq8FJugXPTqQwqbKGOwh2ZXAWhyxRc6nCHqs%2FgLkkt6TK72OQoN0p1SOPodQ22%2FdYmONYX23VjoPoYjD9HYYSVDdsw9kAEC32P9YUr%2FC%2BC%2F6bzoe1J4amQXogYy0pcmB393BKrk0EI2%2BmUL95zCeVMf9q07%2FUqDaZ4d50E05fji%2Bn4xO3trTNBnU8ZaXrqq0e%2BnmM%2FC7bFylLum3aAwwy2XFMjhuk1KepR0o%2Fmh4nhZah1KRcfd8z4xDkLS6hK4RiRKCqVF22TJ65hfz%2B1ZGrX64EolhnaZAOTKKf8Q00p5LKNWCbktxx3YEkVd%2F5WDc5QlsR666Em%2BhOFYnBpgrSqIDTTwXXVTWmTQrgnvgg3Ff6coT9wEDCGbE5AUENxadlskzUFGdbmEnEAx%2FL4nHQMUvrt%2BGsngiKVKrbhJLGtlAtiMflnwSgaDEbYVVQpzGw%2F%2FhPK9m1YYHSq9G9id2jQEwu%2Fe2dvSaLvIFXviwmm8ZIldalBvsUSx%2BFm%2F4quYO0vbge62QV3h2u4QPkAHa8SOMjq8oE30083Gh7ih3GvVO7CHJMmuFV%2BnEDyyZZsJdilyJxKM8ZepFzh9bm59%2FBtYLxJwIxst0A2pcFp0JjGMKrRa556fDNMEvA4rWFqUrjCN5h4gEAa61FYV5861wuLs%2B0%2BlJHcowOOKt%2FTPmbEoKskvPEaAVDm8sVt5DuUpnuhc1wgqydNL7cimzcuhw7dqCOSXsV%2BKN%2BQaMjNNHcaeZDEE3YKw5UDZSBn%2B89r21NG11uPJ6I8Y5YeJ4aLqzywVcyfOtfmW2749ehTSDuNtcKAMsBWuexT5owjU6qM8&checksum=264313145880e775cc0d1fdd44dfb83158a2ddf92aad

All I get on that link is a bunch of tents....none of the kind described by Monk.

scroll down the page until you get to this

3-4 Person Big Thick Waterproof PopUp Tent Outdoor Family Camping Hiking Fishing

[Aussie]

That is NOT what Monk described....as follows:

3 rooms, roomy enough, can have clothes organised, food etc (in mouse etc proof containers of course.) Just need a shower tent.

[pinkeye]

Yeah..if I were to camp again, in a tent, I would choose a pop-up.

We're talking temporary and user-friendly.

[HBS Guy]

3 months temporary, hence the need for some size and different rooms. And heaters!

[HBS Guy]

Picked up my Dutch oven. My but it is heavy! Looking forward to cooking much bread in it next year and after.

[pinkeye]

wow, so you're going to spend 3 mths there..? soon? Hey that is good... :))

Nothing wrong with a good campfire, nothing at all. I'd say it is one of the most relaxing and intrinsically human things to do.. to cook over fire. And then to sit, and watch it, and maybe poke it, and stoke it.. under the sky.....

I hope it's soon, and I hope you really enjoy yourself.


Oh yeah .. if you can, I'd suggest a second small tent, for storing foodstuffs clothes etc, that's assuming there is no storage on site.

[HBS Guy]

I have a small 1500 x 3000mm garden shed. Have 2 shelving units of 3 shelves, will buy and install 3 x 1800mm high shelving units, arrange in a U in the back of the shed: nail some dowelling between the two legs of the U and hang shirts from the dowelling.

[pinkeye]

that's an option.

but beware of mice, rats and ants...they like invading clothes and things.

[HBS Guy]

Yup.

[HBS Guy]

I owned and ran a home brew shop. Grains, sugars, flour. Had a mouse plague (little bastards came in about 12' off the ground) then got rid of the meeces when we had a weevil plague. Expert on both pests! Know about possums too.

[HBS Guy]

Out driving most of the day. Been thinking about a pergola and gazebo running 1m in from my southern boundary, curving to pass in front of the shed to hide it a bit. Wisteria, jasmine, roses, a climbing grapevine etc can grow up the back then across the top of the pergola. Have to be careful not to shade the trees in row 6, frontmost row, from useful afternoon sunlight.

In the front of the pergola, put a handrail in place, under it step over apple trees, that don’t reach the handrail. Hopefully be all dense foliage, blossom, fruit, loud with busy bees.

All has to go on stumps seated on the bedrock—make sure the house design includes pergola/gazebo so all holes and all stumps can be drilled/placed in one day, costs a fortune to move machines, materials and staff from the big town nearly 100Km away, found that out very early! Stumps for greenhouse and adjacent chicken coop to be placed at the same time too tho a distance from the house. Same for the pond: want a decent one so will need a swimming pool grade fence, hide it behind roses etc. Have a hill, walk around, there a nice foliage plant, bit further, a nice bit ($600-900) bit of marble statuary bit further I want a furtive garden gnome smoking a pipe keeping a wary eye out for wify then you come on the pond with maybe a little waterfall cascading down the hill etc.

Might get a muscovy duck or two: are silent, lay lots of eggs, go broody: steal the eggs, put false eggs in their place. Duck eggs, YUM!

[pinkeye]

[HBS Guy]

A cherry tree allowed to grow as high as the shed , trained into a fan would hide most of it and give more fruit. An Early Burlat maybe, more cherries for me at christmas time, more cherries to sell to tourists. Beauty of Bath stepover apples—early apples for me and to sell to tourists. Place one post so I can fasten the door of the shed in the open position—whole shed is quite flimsy, afraid the door would be wrenched off the hinges with a strong gust of wind!

Where the gazebo is a cob pizza oven can be behind the pergola

The pergola proper ends by the shed but can continue as a single line of posts at an acute angle to the shed, finishing in line with row 5 and at the other end can run just one line of posts and connecting timber at an acute angle to the house, add another 8 metres to the pergola with the two extensions. There is 10 metres between the back of the house and Row 6 of fruit trees, space to do something nice. If the gazebo can be made say 500mm higher than the pergola you get a hint of an English folly. A cob pizza oven could be built behind the pergola adjacent to the gazebo, etc.

The floor of pergola and gazebo—10cm/4" of white gravel over weedmat. Can’t use pavers, paving bricks etc—clay would break it all up!

[HBS Guy]

Two posts by the shed, wires between the posts, fasten bamboo poles where I want the cherry tree to go, plant the tree, fasten branches to the bamboo posts etc:



https://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/articles-learning/317-fan-espalier.html

A crab apple can also be included to grow over the pergola, e.g:

https://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/crab-apples/199-malus-ionesis-plena.html

or

https://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/crab-apples/102-jack-humm.html

Juice the crabs, make some pectin jelly, add to a cider that needs a lift, etc. And look good while blossoming or has fruit. One crab apple the fruit doesn’t ripen till late August. Trusses of bright red crabs will look nice in the otherwise dreary winter garden.

Wisteria takes 7 years to flower—better get some started this year. Landscaper in Tassie can grow them in grow bags for a couple of years, for $$$ of course but not too expensive. Clematis, jasmine, all sorts. Need to go visit some nurseries here to gain some info then in Tassie to acquire actual plants. Yeah!

[HBS Guy]

Will go to OfficeWorks today, buy some cartridge and tracing paper, also big sheet graph paper—plan the pergola/gazebo. I still have 3 posts left from the perry pear espalier project, Bluey and his mate can place them so the cherry fan espalier can be started Sep-Oct this year! Excellent!

Sent him a text. Will get the pergola started (at least the posts, no council permission needed for that!) so I can start the wisteria, clematis etc, climbing grapevine would be nice, table grapes, maybe a climbing rose.

Email to a wholesale nursery re jasmine, clematis etc. Get this show on the road!

[HBS Guy]

Wonder upon wonders the nursery replied—have various sorts of wisteria and jasmine, clematis etc. Go there in Sep to pick up a heap of plants and talk to them about what to plant to get pretty speedy wisteria etc flowers. Guy who will put up the posts can do so while I am there—will probably use a bigger auger and pour cement down the holes—a pergola or gazebo is a structure with more weight and more wind resistance than a single post by itself. Probably have to get council permission and I hate paying those suckholes money!

PS: second email—wisteria grown from cuttings will flower in second or third year! Yay!

[HBS Guy]

Everything is lining up nicely!

The guy can do the auger ($300/day rental of the auger, ouch!) and fill the holes with cement. Wisteria, jasmine, clematis etc all good. Now the council has come to the party—can build the pergola and gazebo without permission, no $$$ to the council.

Some restrictions:

Pergola—max size 36sqm, for a 2m wide pergola that is 18m of pergola! Won’t be that bloody big! Max height 3.5m, easy with 3m posts sitting on shoes of whatever height. Fire separation, need some more advice on that and something about easements and infrastructure: no easements on my block, checked that, no infrastructure either. Other things but getting someone licenced to check and supervise the work will fix that.

Gazebo—max size 18sqm, I am going for 4 x 4 so can pinch a bit more space. Max height 3.5m—does that cover the roof? I want the gazebo to be like a folly: 3.6m posts sitting on shoes, 500mm of straight vertical wall then a high peaked roof. In my dreams the roof is slate but in real life it will be corrugated iron or maybe fibre cement slates, nah, don’t like pretence, galvo it will be. Think get the pergola done this year, get the gazebo done later: proper plans drawn up, decent carpenter to put it up. Be nice.

[HBS Guy]

Had a thought and fired off a couple more questions to council.

Fire separation is one issue—I was hoping to merge pergola into the front of the conservatory, make it look a million miles long.

The gazebo—will plan it so know where to stop and start the pergola on either side, leave all the rest for later. Want something exceptional in the way of gazebos and that means permission from council and that means proper plans from building consultant or draughtsman and a bloody good carpenter to do the work.

Hmmm need to get the guy does the slashing of my block to do some very close slashing, make it easier to run stringlines/mark spots with spraypaint etc etc. Need a shitload of pegs too.

[HBS Guy]

Interesting, the maths of a regular octagon:

https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/octagon#diagonals-of-a-regular-octagon

Angles are 135°

To get the maximum 18sqm I need sides of: 1.9308m. That gives me longest diagonal of 5.045m, shortest diagonal of 3.5676 and perimeter of 15.446m.

I think key is to work out what area is needed to seat however many people and to have good proportion width to height etc, graceful appearance, natural light etc. A gazebo should have some sides partly closed off with a handrail and palings etc under the handrail. I will have stepover apples.

Paint it white or leave it natural so it weathers nicely.

But pergola first, get the climbers started this year!

Nice but too low!