Most men in the US and Europe could be infertile by 2060

[johnsmith]

Well done Smith! Because your progeny falls within a particular date range, you think that your children's children are safe, yes?

no, sensationalist opinion pieces that people post on forums typically have no bearing on whether or not I think my children are safe. Is that how you decide on your children safety? by overreacting to sensationalist articles?

What if, as Pinkeye postulates, that it is environmental issues as the underlying cause of the reduced sperm count and not a lucky birth date?

what if it's not? Will that then make your faux hysteria look any less ridiculous?

[johnsmith]

Just to show Mothra that when it comes to being an insufferable duck, I am equal opportunity.

nah, i seem to have gotten over my phobia. Whilst i still don't like them, pictures don't bother me anymore. I can even stand next to one now (at wildlife parks, etc) and it won't bother me. As long as I don't have to touch it. Used to be a time when I couldn't even got into the snake exhibits at zoo's etc.

[Sprintcyclist]

Great post!

not particularly, especially when the story starts with 'Sperm count in men from North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand declined by 50-60% between 1973 and 2011'

given that my oldest was 2 at the end of that period, and my youngest wasn't born, it's not likely to be about them regardless of what Miranda says.

gosh, that is a steep decline

[johnsmith]

gosh, that is a steep decline

i just follow the road as it is laid out before me.

[Miranda]

Well done Smith! Because your progeny falls within a particular date range, you think that your children's children are safe, yes?

no, sensationalist opinion pieces that people post on forums typically have no bearing on whether or not I think my children are safe. Is that how you decide on your children safety? by overreacting to sensationalist articles?

What if, as Pinkeye postulates, that it is environmental issues as the underlying cause of the reduced sperm count and not a lucky birth date?

what if it's not? Will that then make your faux hysteria look any less ridiculous?

Ah! So it has nothing to do with the providence of your children's birth dates and everything to do with Mothra's allegedly sensationalist opinion piece; to wit I am, allegedly, expressing 'faux hysteria', yes?

The article comes from a reputable organization, which is the norm for Mothra. The article is evidence based. The info presented is well known by many.

Your just being a dipshit cause that's what you do best.

[mothra]

re the topic?
Male sperm count has been in decline for some decades now at least. Not new News.
It is also across most species.. plus mutations resulting from degraded sperm are becoming more and more common, and YES .. some areas are worse than others .

It is obviously due to environmental degradation, caused by industrial pollution.

Too bad, so sad

Xeno-oestrogen are a particular concern. Pop up in all sorts of things, from plastic to herbicide.

Phyto-oestrogen play a role also but significantly less, Men have, after all, been knocking back beer for centuries while still being able to knock up women and hops are highly phyto-oestrogenic.

[johnsmith]

Ah! So it has nothing to do with the providence of your children's birth dates and everything to do with Mothra's allegedly sensationalist opinion piece;

for some stupid reason you seem to think I need to justify myself to you. I've bad news for you on that score buttercup

The article comes from a reputable organization, which is the norm for Mothra. The article is evidence based

the study may or may not be reputable, however you haven't been given enough of the facts to make that judgement one way or the other. To know that for sure you need to at least know how the study was performed, just wishing it is so doesn't prove anything. Although having said that I would tend to give the study the benefit of doubt since it is from a reputable university. All that is however irrelevant. The claim that it somehow proves most men will be infertile by 2060 is sensationalist garbage. Opinion designed to attract headlines. Unlike you, I have a lot more faith in mans ability to survive.

Your just being a dipshit cause that's what you do best

Only a true moron would think my first post on this thread was anything but an attempt at humour. You appear to be well qualified in the moron department.

[HBS Guy]

mothra: hops are highly phyto-oestrogenic.

So that is why those drinking far too much beer especially loooong sessions develop real–looking breasts. I didn’t realise it was the hops.

[Sprintcyclist]

mothra: hops are highly phyto-oestrogenic.

So that is why those drinking far too much beer especially loooong sessions develop real–looking breasts. I didn’t realise it was the hops.

Now you tell me

[pinkeye]

well. allegedly smoking lots of dope also gives men breasts.

Ah Ha...

But seriously, this IS an important issue. I'm not sure why JS objects so strongly to this information. Facts are facts, like it or not.

As for our off-spring.?? they can only face more and worse of same. How can it not be so?


More deformed children and still-births.. we reap what we sow.

[johnsmith]

I'm not sure why JS objects so strongly to this information.

i don't object to the information, nor do I think the study is crap. i just think the 'most men infertile by 2060' is sensationalist crap. I seriously doubt most men will be infertile by 2060, no matter what the headline says.

[pinkeye]

so you reject the information, as is your right.

but it isn't new News.... scientists have been saying this for at least 30 years. I was an adult back then, and thought the information most concerning.
But nobody gave a stuff about it. Like so much science it was basically ignored.

Lets face it people, there is too much information out there for any human agency to pull it all together.

If there is ONE positive use for AI ? it would be to create the Ultimate Library....


(at least it'd keep them busy for a little while)

[Sprintcyclist]

so you reject the information, as is your right.

but it isn't new News.... scientists have been saying this for at least 30 years. I was an adult back then, and thought the information most concerning.
But nobody gave a stuff about it. Like so much science it was basically ignored.

Lets face it people, there is too much information out there for any human agency to pull it all together.

If there is ONE positive use for AI ? it would be to create the Ultimate Library....


(at least it'd keep them busy for a little while)

yes, I have read this sort of news for well over 25 years

[johnsmith]

so you reject the information, as is your right.

no, i reject the writers predictions.

[HBS Guy]

Just imagine it is right==> end of the world!

[johnsmith]

Just imagine it is right==> end of the world!

Exactly ...you think humans might do something about that before it got to that stage?

[HBS Guy]

Remove all plastics from everywhere?

[johnsmith]

Remove all plastics from everywhere?

not so sure it's all about plastics

[pinkeye]

No you're not. Plastics (?) that shit comes LATER. What we're facing now is decades and decades of industrial chemical and plastics pollution.

You could employ all the unemployed people in the world, right now, .. ( or press them into slavery) to recycle, collect, dredge up as much as is humanly possible, over generations, and we will never be able to turn the tide of filth and foulness. Well, you get the idea.


Those of you who have visited widely in the world, and seen how many many people are forced to live in absolute ghettos ..You ever wanted to live there.?


Happy to come home.? Hrmph

Nature affects ALL of us. We live on this EARTH. Some of us may never really see the natural world, except from behind glass. The days are made up of cityscapes, and to and fro-ing... do you smell the wind?