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LTO batteries

Postby Bongalong » 30 May 2019, 16:15

....In early 2017, Standards Australia suggested products such as Tesla’s Powerwall home battery should be banned from being installed inside homes or garages for fear they could be a fire hazard. The proposed guidelines were never taken up and were widely criticised, but concerns still remain from some sections of the community, such as firefighters, the batteries could self ignite.

That’s not an issue with LTO batteries. “With LTO batteries you can bend them, put them in a crash, put a bullet through them, and it doesn’t matter,” Mr Johns said.

The company is in the process of finalising deals with distributors both in Australia and overseas markets but has yet to announce any partnerships.

While Mr Johns couldn’t provide details on pricing, he admits they will be more expensive than many other home battery options for solar systems but insists the long-term benefits are worthwhile. The LTO batteries produced by Zenaji will likely cost consumers about 30 per cent more, but if the company can find some success, the batteries could be an enticing option for homeowners in a burgeoning industry.


source: https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/design/aussie-startup-is-banking-on-something-different-to-take-on-the-home-battery-market/news-story/769b141a58768a8f32492c2b918d9f54
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Re: LTO batteries

Postby HBS Guy » 30 May 2019, 17:12

They will have to get the price down.
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Re: LTO batteries

Postby DonDeeHippy » 30 May 2019, 18:46

Bongalong wrote:....In early 2017, Standards Australia suggested products such as Tesla’s Powerwall home battery should be banned from being installed inside homes or garages for fear they could be a fire hazard. The proposed guidelines were never taken up and were widely criticised, but concerns still remain from some sections of the community, such as firefighters, the batteries could self ignite.

That’s not an issue with LTO batteries. “With LTO batteries you can bend them, put them in a crash, put a bullet through them, and it doesn’t matter,” Mr Johns said.

The company is in the process of finalising deals with distributors both in Australia and overseas markets but has yet to announce any partnerships.

While Mr Johns couldn’t provide details on pricing, he admits they will be more expensive than many other home battery options for solar systems but insists the long-term benefits are worthwhile. The LTO batteries produced by Zenaji will likely cost consumers about 30 per cent more, but if the company can find some success, the batteries could be an enticing option for homeowners in a burgeoning industry.


source: https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/design/aussie-startup-is-banking-on-something-different-to-take-on-the-home-battery-market/news-story/769b141a58768a8f32492c2b918d9f54

unless a home lithium battery system crashes into a tree doing 200km's a hour it wont catch fire......and even then there is a high chance it wont :) :purple
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Re: LTO batteries

Postby Dax » 31 May 2019, 17:31

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Bongalong wrote:....In early 2017, Standards Australia suggested products such as Tesla’s Powerwall home battery should be banned from being installed inside homes or garages for fear they could be a fire hazard. The proposed guidelines were never taken up and were widely criticised, but concerns still remain from some sections of the community, such as firefighters, the batteries could self ignite.

That’s not an issue with LTO batteries. “With LTO batteries you can bend them, put them in a crash, put a bullet through them, and it doesn’t matter,” Mr Johns said.

The company is in the process of finalising deals with distributors both in Australia and overseas markets but has yet to announce any partnerships.

While Mr Johns couldn’t provide details on pricing, he admits they will be more expensive than many other home battery options for solar systems but insists the long-term benefits are worthwhile. The LTO batteries produced by Zenaji will likely cost consumers about 30 per cent more, but if the company can find some success, the batteries could be an enticing option for homeowners in a burgeoning industry.


source: https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/design/aussie-startup-is-banking-on-something-different-to-take-on-the-home-battery-market/news-story/769b141a58768a8f32492c2b918d9f54

unless a home lithium battery system crashes into a tree doing 200km's a hour it wont catch fire......and even then there is a high chance it wont :) :purple


Not true, tesla powerwall has liquid cooling because of the danger of overheating and fire and there is still a tesla fire every couple of weeks. Li-ion, li-poly and most other lithium chemistries are very prone to overheating and fire, that's why peoples phones explode and catch on fire. The only real fire proof lithium chemistry is lifepo4, lithium iron phosphate and they are almost bomb proof. They don't overheat and for them to catch on fire, you have to drill a hole in them and create a spark, then they only smoke, a lot. I know this because I accidentally drilled a hole into a lifepo4 cell when fixing the aluminium box the pack sat in, plus have witnessed experiments where they tested different types of lithium cells with heavy charging, heat and cold. The only ones to not catch fire and not fail, was lifepo4, why they don't use ti in phones etc where they use the flammable lithium, is economics, lifepo4 are dearer and have less density than some other lithium, but are much safer and have much longer lifespans.

The next generation of energy storage, will probably be, lithium graphene and ultra high graphene capacitors, which are well down the road in development. This will mean you can put any amount of charge into the capacitors and they will feed it to the lithium graphene cells, which will have a density almost 10 tomes current lithium and will weigh about 1/4 of current lithium cells. Sign lithium graphene, they can mould the cells into any configuration you need and they will be fire proof. The ultra high capacitors, will take any amount of charge you wan to put into them, then feed the cells at the rate they can take, which from what I've read, that's, 1kA per second.

The outcome will be, your solar panels will throw huge amounts of energy into the capacitors which will charge the cells and whilst th sun is shi ng, you will draw your energy from the capacitors until depleted, then from the cells. This means you will can have power for a number of weeks. Before you all go troppo with your denial, my bus/motorhome, carries 3kw of solar which also acts as a tropical roof and it feeds 480ah lifepo4. We have sat for over 2 weeks running a fridge, a large freezer, small freezer, A/C, tv, hot water, lights radio's, charged computers ph's torches and spare lifepo4 AA and AAA cells. My bus system can be at 1/3 capacity, within a couple of hrs they are at 100%, when they happens, the energy input form the panels, is switched to either heating water, running the A/C and water pumps. It has a small wood heater to warmth

If people realised how easy and economical to go off grid today and how much you can save over the year, energy companies would go broke fast. I paid close $20000 for my systems more than 10 years ago and that was direct from the manufacturers, as we ordered a couple of containers full to take same of our venues and lease properties off grid. The average customer would have paid between $30000-$50000, buying bulk, direct from the manufacturer, getting charge controllers and active cell balancers to our design, went a long way to getting prices down. Today, you can do the same thing for 3000-5000 thousand, excluding installation and you can do it yourself with no need for an electrician, except to disconnect the grid.
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Re: LTO batteries

Postby Sprintcyclist » 31 May 2019, 17:43

Hi Dax,

Thanks very much for your information
Your knowledge in the past has been very good.

I have copied your post and saved it for future reference.
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