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Alarmism?!?

Postby Bongalong » 04 Apr 2019, 17:11

The report makes clear that Canada faces markedly different outcomes, depending on the policies it chooses to reduce emissions.
Under a scenario in which global emissions are dramatically reduced, average temperatures will rise only 3C across the country by 2100, including the Arctic region.
But if countries – including Canada – fail to act aggressively, increases of 7-9 degrees are likely, and the Arctic faces the prospect of 11 degrees of warming.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/02/canada-climate-change-warming-twice-as-fast-report

Could the above statement be anywhere near true?
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Re: Alarmism?!?

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Apr 2019, 18:57

And an Arctic ice free in summer will cause extreme weather in the mid latitudes.
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Re: Alarmism?!?

Postby pinkeye » 05 Apr 2019, 00:58

And Antarctica could have a green centre. Crikey
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Re: Alarmism?!?

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Apr 2019, 06:30

No, not Antarctica.

Here is a scary fact about the Arctic:

The same amount of heat that turns 1cc of ice into 1cc of water is enough to heat that water to 80°C. Arctic ice is so thin that oil tankers with reinforced bows can charge through the ice at a rate of knots, saving HUGE distances the ships would have to travel.

The more bare water in the Arctic summer the more energy is poured into the Arctic Ocean. Some of that energy goes into the air over the ocean causing storms around the edge of the Arctic.
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Re: Alarmism?!?

Postby Bongalong » 05 Apr 2019, 14:59

HBS Guy wrote:And an Arctic ice free in summer will cause extreme weather in the mid latitudes.

That wasn't the line of inquiry: i was asking if the statement above was hyperbowl? :Hi :c :c :c :c :c :c :c :c :PC
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Re: Alarmism?!?

Postby pinkeye » 06 Apr 2019, 21:37

HBS Guy wrote:No, not Antarctica.

Here is a scary fact about the Arctic:

The same amount of heat that turns 1cc of ice into 1cc of water is enough to heat that water to 80°C. Arctic ice is so thin that oil tankers with reinforced bows can charge through the ice at a rate of knots, saving HUGE distances the ships would have to travel.

The more bare water in the Arctic summer the more energy is poured into the Arctic Ocean. Some of that energy goes into the air over the ocean causing storms around the edge of the Arctic.


Umm if we only have ONE frozen POLE.. the ANTARCTIC..

what will happen to our balance.?
The planet's rotation will surely start to spin like a top? I am no scientist, I'm just curious, because surely fluid water .. aka the former Arctic, must act differently. Basically this doesn't sound good at all.

So what happens ? no Arctic..?
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Re: Alarmism?!?

Postby pinkeye » 06 Apr 2019, 21:48

Bongalong wrote:The report makes clear that Canada faces markedly different outcomes, depending on the policies it chooses to reduce emissions.
Under a scenario in which global emissions are dramatically reduced, average temperatures will rise only 3C across the country by 2100, including the Arctic region.
But if countries – including Canada – fail to act aggressively, increases of 7-9 degrees are likely, and the Arctic faces the prospect of 11 degrees of warming.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/02/canada-climate-change-warming-twice-as-fast-report

Could the above statement be anywhere near true?



Didn't we see temps well in excess in recent years.? OH OH but that .. it's that áverage' 'thingy yeah?

Averages are JUST statistics.

They give us range... based on historcal data.

For example..
Every blood test you take assesses your results against áverages'. Not yours... everybodies. Back as long as they choose to take the stats. They may well be totally irrelevant to you, personally, but that is how these tests are evaluated.

The results are reported.


But there the analysis differs.


We do have vast resources based on recording historical effects, and they may have some minimal worth..in the human endeavour of survival... BUT in environmental Science.. in the time-frame of the Earth, these averages we use are not of value, because we do NOT CONTROL the Planet...
Our forecasts, so extraordinarily homomorphic , are not worth the paper, or the screens , they are written on.

Our best guesses...?
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Re: Alarmism?!?

Postby HBS Guy » 07 Apr 2019, 06:48

Blood tests test for the presence or absence of things. They determine if you may have diabetes or cancer etc.
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Re: Alarmism?!?

Postby Bongalong » 08 Apr 2019, 13:14

pinkeye wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:No, not Antarctica.

Here is a scary fact about the Arctic:

The same amount of heat that turns 1cc of ice into 1cc of water is enough to heat that water to 80°C. Arctic ice is so thin that oil tankers with reinforced bows can charge through the ice at a rate of knots, saving HUGE distances the ships would have to travel.

The more bare water in the Arctic summer the more energy is poured into the Arctic Ocean. Some of that energy goes into the air over the ocean causing storms around the edge of the Arctic.


Umm if we only have ONE frozen POLE.. the ANTARCTIC..

what will happen to our balance.?
The planet's rotation will surely start to spin like a top? I am no scientist, I'm just curious, because surely fluid water .. aka the former Arctic, must act differently. Basically this doesn't sound good at all.

So what happens ? no Arctic..?

-->basically no one knows but you are talking about a purely hypothetical situation!
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Re: Alarmism?!?

Postby Bongalong » 08 Apr 2019, 13:17

pinkeye wrote:
Bongalong wrote:The report makes clear that Canada faces markedly different outcomes, depending on the policies it chooses to reduce emissions.
Under a scenario in which global emissions are dramatically reduced, average temperatures will rise only 3C across the country by 2100, including the Arctic region.
But if countries – including Canada – fail to act aggressively, increases of 7-9 degrees are likely, and the Arctic faces the prospect of 11 degrees of warming.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/02/canada-climate-change-warming-twice-as-fast-report

Could the above statement be anywhere near true?



Didn't we see temps well in excess in recent years.? OH OH but that .. it's that áverage' 'thingy yeah?

Averages are JUST statistics.

They give us range... based on historcal data.

For example..
Every blood test you take assesses your results against áverages'. Not yours... everybodies. Back as long as they choose to take the stats. They may well be totally irrelevant to you, personally, but that is how these tests are evaluated.

The results are reported.


But there the analysis differs.


We do have vast resources based on recording historical effects, and they may have some minimal worth..in the human endeavour of survival... BUT in environmental Science.. in the time-frame of the Earth, these averages we use are not of value, because we do NOT CONTROL the Planet...
Our forecasts, so extraordinarily homomorphic , are not worth the paper, or the screens , they are written on.

Our best guesses...?

Could you even pretend to be human at some point :Hi ?
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