Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

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Postby HBS Guy » 31 Mar 2018, 02:49

He talked about hydrogen—and I saw and replied to a tweet from Shell about hydrogen as a clean fuel. Crap it is clean!
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Postby Dax » 31 Mar 2018, 09:21

There's a strong chance by 2022, electric cars will be the majority purchased. Over the next couple of years we will see many new electric cars, so many fossil fuel new cars will have to be heavily discounted, because the negative propaganda by the fossil fuel industry will be debunked.

It's illogical to claim electric vehicles are more polluting, as the facts are the opposite. Now we are seeing heavy vehicles becoming electric with ranges of over 1000klms before recharge, this alone will put a big dent in fossil fuel sales and it will not be very long before the big vehicle manufacturers start to produce their own electric trucks and machinery.
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Re: Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

Postby HBS Guy » 31 Mar 2018, 11:27

Battery densities will keep on increasing.
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Re: Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

Postby Dax » 01 Apr 2018, 06:50

HBS Guy wrote:Battery densities will keep on increasing.


Sure will, already lifepo4 cells are light years ahead of lead acid in all ways and have revolutionalised off grid and mobile energy situations.
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Postby HBS Guy » 01 Apr 2018, 07:57

I looked up Lifep04 cells after you mentioned them, sure look good!

Here in Tassie sun is good, long days but for winter need wind a generator. Then could be off grid pretty much. Energy efficiency is also looking up—LED lights are fantastic, a 12W LED light in my lounge gives brighter light—and less heat—than two 60W incandescent globes.

One house here has 42 solar panels!
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Postby Dax » 01 Apr 2018, 10:00

I live in Sth Tas.,completely off grid. Had to have a gennie when on lead acid (AGM), which was very limiting and used 12v fridges, lights etc and a small inverter for the TV. After switching to lifepo4, no longer needed the gennie and in the last 10 years has been used for running my workshop. On agm, had 2000ah and 5kw of solar. Now have 700ah of lifepo4 and 4.2kw of solar, the rest of the solar powers most things in my workshop, except for welding and is powered by 120ah of lifepo4. Ny converted bus, has 1kw of solar and 480ah of lifepo4. It runs everything including A/C in summer, have a small wood heater I built for winter and even when snowing, keeps the bus at t shirt temps.

Now the house runs entirely on 240v, with inverter fridges and freezers, as well as A/C in summer and also powers our band practises. All the lighting is led and have a 55cm tv and 2 computers running. Have a combination of bright white and soft white, 10w and 15w LED which is adequate and have LED security lights outside. My lifepo4 pack never drops below 13v, even though it can go down to 12v but as you get twice as much energy from lifepo4 compared to lead acid from the same capacity. Lifepo4 charge extremely fast, so you only need a couple 'of hours of full sun, or 4-5 hours of cloudy weather to fully charge them.

I can use lots of power in the mornings and my pack will be full be mid afternoon. Have a 250w wind generator as well, which is really only a trickle one, but when there is no sun for days and windy, it's enough to keep the pack above 13v when it is running 24/7.

The trick with lifepo4 and all lithium, is how you use them and even more important, is the charge regimes and parameters you use.
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Re: Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

Postby MilesAway » 01 Apr 2018, 20:23

Dax wrote:There's a strong chance by 2022, electric cars will be the majority purchased. Over the next couple of years we will see many new electric cars, so many fossil fuel new cars will have to be heavily discounted, because the negative propaganda by the fossil fuel industry will be debunked.

It's illogical to claim electric vehicles are more polluting, as the facts are the opposite. Now we are seeing heavy vehicles becoming electric with ranges of over 1000klms before recharge, this alone will put a big dent in fossil fuel sales and it will not be very long before the big vehicle manufacturers start to produce their own electric trucks and machinery.

Would you have a link or reference to the claim that electric vehicles now have a range of 1000kms?
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Re: Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

Postby MilesAway » 01 Apr 2018, 20:27

HBS Guy wrote:I looked up Lifep04 cells after you mentioned them, sure look good!

Here in Tassie sun is good, long days but for winter need wind a generator. Then could be off grid pretty much. Energy efficiency is also looking up—LED lights are fantastic, a 12W LED light in my lounge gives brighter light—and less heat—than two 60W incandescent globes.

One house here has 42 solar panels!


The lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO
4) battery, also called LFP battery (with "LFP" standing for "lithium ferrophosphate"), is a type of rechargeable battery, specifically a lithium-ion battery, which uses LiFePO
4 as a cathode material, and a graphitic carbon electrode with a metallic current collector grid as the anode. The specific capacity of LiFePO
4 is higher than that of the related lithium cobalt oxide (LiCoO
2) chemistry, but its energy density is slightly lower due to its low operating voltage. The main problem of LiFePO
4 is its low electrical conductivity. Therefore, all the LiFePO
4 cathodes under consideration are actually LiFePO
4/C.[3] Because of low-cost, low-toxicity, well-defined performance, long-term stability, etc. LiFePO
4 is finding a number of roles in vehicle use and backup power.

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Re: Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

Postby MilesAway » 01 Apr 2018, 20:30

HBS Guy wrote:I looked up Lifep04 cells after you mentioned them, sure look good!

Here in Tassie sun is good, long days but for winter need wind a generator. Then could be off grid pretty much. Energy efficiency is also looking up—LED lights are fantastic, a 12W LED light in my lounge gives brighter light—and less heat—than two 60W incandescent globes.

One house here has 42 solar panels!

You should have a conversation with that householder at some point!

He/She might be a fountain of knowledge on related subject because of the keen interest shown by their rooftop!

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Might be able to help you reach full self sufficiency etc... etc...
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Postby MilesAway » 01 Apr 2018, 20:32

Dax wrote:I live in Sth Tas.,completely off grid. Had to have a gennie when on lead acid (AGM), which was very limiting and used 12v fridges, lights etc and a small inverter for the TV. After switching to lifepo4, no longer needed the gennie and in the last 10 years has been used for running my workshop. On agm, had 2000ah and 5kw of solar. Now have 700ah of lifepo4 and 4.2kw of solar, the rest of the solar powers most things in my workshop, except for welding and is powered by 120ah of lifepo4. Ny converted bus, has 1kw of solar and 480ah of lifepo4. It runs everything including A/C in summer, have a small wood heater I built for winter and even when snowing, keeps the bus at t shirt temps.

Now the house runs entirely on 240v, with inverter fridges and freezers, as well as A/C in summer and also powers our band practises. All the lighting is led and have a 55cm tv and 2 computers running. Have a combination of bright white and soft white, 10w and 15w LED which is adequate and have LED security lights outside. My lifepo4 pack never drops below 13v, even though it can go down to 12v but as you get twice as much energy from lifepo4 compared to lead acid from the same capacity. Lifepo4 charge extremely fast, so you only need a couple 'of hours of full sun, or 4-5 hours of cloudy weather to fully charge them.

I can use lots of power in the mornings and my pack will be full be mid afternoon. Have a 250w wind generator as well, which is really only a trickle one, but when there is no sun for days and windy, it's enough to keep the pack above 13v when it is running 24/7.

The trick with lifepo4 and all lithium, is how you use them and even more important, is the charge regimes and parameters you use.


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Re: Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

Postby Dax » 02 Apr 2018, 07:54

MilesAway wrote: Would you have a link or reference to the claim that electric vehicles now have a range of 1000kms?


How many links do you want, ignorance is bliss for deniers of reality. But in reality, that ignorance is a representation of evolutionary status.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-a ... rge-39659/

https://mashable.com/2017/09/20/proterr ... ge-record/

https://electrek.co/2017/08/04/a-tesla- ... le-charge/
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Re: Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

Postby johnsmith » 02 Apr 2018, 10:30

Dax wrote:
MilesAway wrote: Would you have a link or reference to the claim that electric vehicles now have a range of 1000kms?


How many links do you want, ignorance is bliss for deniers of reality. But in reality, that ignorance is a representation of evolutionary status.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-a ... rge-39659/

https://mashable.com/2017/09/20/proterr ... ge-record/

https://electrek.co/2017/08/04/a-tesla- ... le-charge/



that second link is 1000 MILES .... that's 1600 km's .... impressive
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Re: Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

Postby Dax » 02 Apr 2018, 12:49

Sure is impressive, especially when you do the numbers concerning fuel and maintenance saving.

I run all my vehicles and machinery on used vegetable oil, which produces 80% less emissions that fossil oils. Using diesel and biodiesel as a starter fuel and my large tanks (1000lt", can travel well over 3000klms without refueling, the cost would be around about $5 for biodiesel and $15-$20 for diesel, stopping every day. When we are on the road, we can collect more oil filter it and fill our tanks.

If i win lotto, will buy and electric bus and never have fuel costs again.
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Re: Tesla is kicking everyone's fossil fooled arse goodbye!

Postby johnsmith » 02 Apr 2018, 13:24

Dax wrote:Sure is impressive, especially when you do the numbers concerning fuel and maintenance saving.

I run all my vehicles and machinery on used vegetable oil, which produces 80% less emissions that fossil oils. Using diesel and biodiesel as a starter fuel and my large tanks (1000lt", can travel well over 3000klms without refueling, the cost would be around about $5 for biodiesel and $15-$20 for diesel, stopping every day. When we are on the road, we can collect more oil filter it and fill our tanks.

If i win lotto, will buy and electric bus and never have fuel costs again.


i imagine the bus roof made of solar panels would provide a nice charge as you're travelling through the outback
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