AGW and ocean degradation. We are done for

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AGW and ocean degradation. We are done for

Postby Squire » 14 Nov 2017, 14:19

I don't believe the human race can reverse its destiny of self-extinction.

The environment is being trashed and the ocean degraded, heated, and positioned with CO2.

We are accelerating toward our destiny of extinction.

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/98851471/humaninduced-global-warming-faster-than-ever-and-accelerating

Human-induced global warming: Faster than ever and accelerating

DAVID GRAY

Warming exceeded 1C above mid-nineteenth-century levels in 2017.

Human-induced global warming is happening faster than ever and accelerating.

And it's increasing at a rate that means there's little time left to achieve goals of the Paris climate agreement, researchers say.

A tool to measure the rate of global warming called the Global Warming Index - developed by an international team led by Victoria University's Professor Dave Frame - showed the acceleration of warming.

The Global Warming Index is a continuously updated index of human-induced warming.

Dr Karsten Haustein from the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom and lead author of a paper on the index said global warming had risen at a rate of 0.16 degrees Celsius per decade over the past 20 years.

"Worryingly, it appears to be accelerating, despite the recent slowdown in carbon dioxide emissions, because of trends in other climate pollutants, notably methane."

The release of methane gas from ruminant livestock - sheep and cattle - amounted to almost a third of New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions, and it was the largest contributor, according to Landcare Research.

Methane also accounted for over 40 per cent of all emissions in terms of global warming potential, Landcare Research said.

Warming exceeded 1C above mid-nineteenth-century levels in 2017.

Frame said: "A robust, continuously updated index of human-induced warming - the only component of global temperatures we have any control over - is essential to monitor progress toward meeting temperature goals...
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Re: AGW and ocean degradation. We are done for

Postby HBS Guy » 14 Nov 2017, 15:00

No! We are in an ice age! I have it on good authority from Booby who has it from an oil seeds salesman who has it from. . .Heartland Institute? Likely, one of their disinformation projects. Dubyne is not the only one to peddle the pernicious nonsense.
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Postby HBS Guy » 14 Nov 2017, 15:44

I think how it will play out, in the next 10 years I would say:

A hurricane will hit the east coast of the US at high tide and floods miles inland, tens of thousands dead, hundreds of thousands dispossessed. THEN AGW will be treated seriously. Alternatively, the Himalayan ice sheet retreats to an extent India, China & Indochina suffer severe water shortages.

CO2 will need to be removed from the atmosphere—bamboo will be planted everywhere! Biochemical engineering etc.

Despite the bad news, renewable energy is making giant strides. Now the internal combustion engine is on the way out, no need to slash the throat just yet.
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Postby Squire » 14 Nov 2017, 17:26

HBS Guy wrote:I think how it will play out, in the next 10 years I would say:

A hurricane will hit the east coast of the US at high tide and floods miles inland, tens of thousands dead, hundreds of thousands dispossessed. THEN AGW will be treated seriously. Alternatively, the Himalayan ice sheet

CO2 will need to be removed from the atmosphere—bamboo will be planted everywhere! Biochemical engineering etc.

Despite the bad news, renewable energy is making giant strides. Now the internal combustion engine is on the way out, no need to slash the throat just yet.


Frozen regions in Canada, Russia, and Greenland are melting and exposing peat which releases methane as it heats and dries out.

Climate change has positive feedback which means it may become unstoppable.

It will take centuries if not millennia for the oceans to recover.

Population growth is fuel for climate change.

The extinction of humanity is approaching.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4508873/mass-global-extinction-2100-human-civilisation-apocalypse-date-prediction/

GAME OVER Mass extinction which destroys human civilisation will begin in 2100, scientist predicts
We may have just 82 years to avert disaster, save our planet and ensure the human species lives on. Will human civilisation manage to stave off doomsday?
By Jasper Hamill
22nd September 2017, 2:47 pmUpdated:

A MASS extinction which wipes out humanity will be underway by the year 2100, scientists have claimed.

By the end of the century, it's feared that so much carbon will have been added to the oceans that the planet will have passed a "threshold of catatastrophe" which leads to the destruction of our species.

In the past 540 million years the planet has endured five such wipeouts - including the extinction of the dinosaurs.

The worst took place 252 million years ago and is known as the Great Dying.

This disaster killed off more than 95 per cent of marine life when the seas suddenly became more acidic.

Now geophysicist Professor Daniel Rothman says we are seeing a disturbing parallel today - this time because of man-made global warming.

He came up with a simple mathematic formula which predict that the oceans will soon hold so much carbon that a mass extinction is inevitable.

It showed the critical extra amount required is about 310 gigatons - which is the best case scenario projected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

And it's well below the worst of more than 500 gigatons - which would far exceed the line.

In all scenarios, the study found by the end of the century the carbon cycle will either be close to - or well beyond - the threshold for catastrophe.

Although mass extinction won't soon follow at the turn of the century the world may have tipped into "unknown territory".

Professor Rothman, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, says it would take some time - about 10,000 years - for such ecological disasters to play out.
He said: "This is not saying disaster occurs the next day.

"It's saying - if left unchecked - the carbon cycle would move into a realm which would be no longer stable and would behave in a way that would be difficult to predict.

"In the past this type of behaviour is associated with mass extinction."

In the modern era CO2 emissions have risen steadily since the 19th century but deciphering whether this could lead to mass extinction has been challenging.

Humans have emitted 1,540 billion tonnes of CO2 since the industrial revolution - equivalent to burning enough coal to form a square tower 72 feet wide stretching 240,000 miles from Earth to the Moon.

Humanity could be destroyed in the sixth mass extinction if we don't nuke ourselves first
Half of these have remained in the atmosphere causing a rise in levels at least 10 times faster than any known natural increase during Earth's long history.

Most of the other half has dissolved into the ocean - causing acidification.

Will this lead to the destruction of humanity?

Your grandchildren will probably find out, unless something changes NOW.
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Postby HBS Guy » 14 Nov 2017, 18:08

Actually, not that much methane.

I know the situation is serious—the Totten glacier on East Antarctica is retreating, that goes far enough there is an icesheet that Totten is currently holding back, Totten goes that icesheet starts going too.

Close to 10m of sea level rise is locked in, maybe more now.
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Postby HBS Guy » 14 Nov 2017, 18:52

16000 scientists agree with Squire:

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2017/11/14/climate-change-scientists-environmental-destruction/

We are certainly shitting in our own nest!
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Re: AGW and ocean degradation. We are done for

Postby pinkeye » 15 Nov 2017, 02:47

HBS Guy wrote:16000 scientists agree with Squire:

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2017/11/14/climate-change-scientists-environmental-destruction/

We are certainly shitting in our own nest!


Yes we are. Caught a bit of Q&A last night. Professor Brian Cox was an excellent contributor. He made the point that although changes in the Earth's dynamics have always occurred, the current rate of OBSERVABLE CHANGE is far in excess of what would be considered normal. I do hope the LNP Member was listening.
The Minister insisted that we KNOW what is happening, and that in order to find the solutions required, the free economy entrepreneurs scientists and other interested parties should be handed the ball. Well DOH. :roll :roll :purple
How TYPICAL is that? Pathetic.

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Re: AGW and ocean degradation. We are done for

Postby Squire » 15 Nov 2017, 13:31

It's too late. The rate of change has momentum and positive feedback which will further accelerate it.

The arctic and Antarctica are already experiencing rapidly rising temperatures.

The ocean is becoming a warm sewer and garbage depository. it can only get worse as the world population rises far above the current ~7.3 billion.

By the year 2100, the population will be 20+ billion if it keeps growing at the current rate of 1.2%.

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Postby HBS Guy » 15 Nov 2017, 15:25

IF we could have started in the 70s or 80s we could have contained it, even in the 90s but good old human greed meant the fossil fuel interests could interfere with misinformation, buying politicians etc.

Now it is going to cost lives and dollars will be spent like water and lives will be regimented and it will be a close run thing. There will be wars over water, over nations not reversing deforestation etc.

But some things are in our favor, renewable energy keeps powering ahead. Knowledge of the impending catastrophe is becoming more widely known.
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Postby Squire » 15 Nov 2017, 19:21

One of the biggest problems in the recognition of AGW is that fools that live in the Northern parts of USA falsely believe they will benefit from AGW. However, their Summer days of 16+ hours will make it unbearably hot.

They will also be affected by the increased intensity of rain and more severe floods.
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Postby HBS Guy » 15 Nov 2017, 19:26

Yup. Unthinking clowns could be the cause of a major extinction, including us.
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Postby HBS Guy » 17 Nov 2017, 22:16

Some are acting tho:

New alliance launched at Bonn climate talks hopes to signal the end of the dirtiest fossil fuel that kills 800,000 people a year with air pollution

A new alliance of 19 nations committed to quickly phasing out coal has been launched at the UN climate summit in Bonn, Germany. It was greeted as a “political watershed”, signalling the end of the dirtiest fossil fuel that currently provides 40% of global electricity.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/16/political-watershed-as-19-countries-pledge-to-phase-out-coal

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Postby pinkeye » 18 Nov 2017, 21:50

HBS Guy wrote:Some are acting tho:

New alliance launched at Bonn climate talks hopes to signal the end of the dirtiest fossil fuel that kills 800,000 people a year with air pollution

A new alliance of 19 nations committed to quickly phasing out coal has been launched at the UN climate summit in Bonn, Germany. It was greeted as a “political watershed”, signalling the end of the dirtiest fossil fuel that currently provides 40% of global electricity.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/16/political-watershed-as-19-countries-pledge-to-phase-out-coal

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But it is all really too late to prevent significant change in our climate in the short-term. Say the next 200 hundred yrs. IF our civilisation lasts that long. :sad

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Re: AGW and ocean degradation. We are done for

Postby HBS Guy » 18 Nov 2017, 22:11

It isn’t all bad, renewable energy is making big gains.

But the stupidity of people! Take Hurrican eSandi: it was the warm North Atlantic waters kept that going until it slammed into NY. LOTS of food for thought there. Then the morons elected fucking Trumpy!
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Postby pinkeye » 19 Nov 2017, 22:23

HBS Guy wrote:It isn’t all bad, renewable energy is making big gains.


But the stupidity of people! Take Hurrican eSandi: it was the warm North Atlantic waters kept that going until it slammed into NY. LOTS of food for thought there. Then the morons elected fucking Trumpy!



Yes.. Sandi should have been a major wake-up call. Not to mention Katrina, and the more recent major hurricanes that have impacted the US. Frankly, I doubt those areas will ever recover. most people will move away.

Already vast areas of major US cities are under-populated. Or so I understand. St Louis for one. New Orleans? I'd think so.
Not to mention wastelands in the vast northern cities like Chicago. I mean.. this is evident breakdown... too much growth... too few solutions. :sad
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Re: AGW and ocean degradation. We are done for

Postby HBS Guy » 19 Nov 2017, 23:32

Yeah, huge areas of Detroit have gone back to wasteland, grass etc for miles.
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