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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 27 May 2018, 13:00

Nice to hear. I mean, you can’t turn the clock back but that never deters the Libs and their “back to the fifties” mentality:

Dan van Holst Pellekaan, the energy minister in the newly elected South Australia Liberal government, has vowed to continue the state’s dramatic energy transition and show other states “how it can be done”.

In a keynote speech to the Australian Energy Storage conference and exhibition in Adelaide on Wednesday, van Holst Pellekaan said expectations that the election of a Liberal government would be the end of clean energy in the state were false.

“We heard about the end of renewables and return to energy systems of the past,” van Holst Pellekaan said.

“The transition is underway, and the transition will continue. It is being driven by the fundamental economics of clean energy as the lowest cost new build energy source.


https://reneweconomy.com.au/sa-liberals-vow-to-continue-energy-transition-go-big-in-batteries-93367/

I would not be surprised to find that the Libs talked to the owners of the brown coal generator at Pt Augusta about restarting and were rebuffed. Be nice if the “virtual power station” went ahead.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 30 Jun 2018, 10:02

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/29/sydney-activates-new-tesla-battery-storage-as-part-of-50-renewable-energy-goal/
The city of Sydney, Australia, has set a goal of obtaining 50% of the electricity it consumes from renewable sources by 2030. As part of that program, it has recently activated a 1,600 solar power installations coupled with a 500 kWh of Tesla Powerpack battery installations, according to the Sydney Morning Herald. The solar panels are installed on the roof of the city’s Alexandra Canal transport depot (see below).
While the solar installation isn’t the city’s largest — Sydney Markets in Flemington is powered by nearly 8,600 solar panels — it is the first to combine solar with large-scale batteries similar to Tesla’s massive battery unit in South Australia. At the commissioning ceremony on Wednesday, Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore said the project was part of the city’s wider push towards greater sustainability and fighting climate change. Many parts of Sydney are located on the shores of its famous harbor and could be significantly affected by rising ocean levels.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 30 Jun 2018, 10:15

Yeah, Sydney might have to close of the passage between the heads and install locks. Wouldn’t want the millionaires in harborside mansions ot get wet feet :bgrin
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 30 Jun 2018, 10:33

yes if the millionaires get effected its probably our only chance of change.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 30 Jun 2018, 13:34

ahahah Point Piper floating mansions.

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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Jul 2018, 21:21

EVs go underground, as BHP beats Tesla to the electric ute
Australian mining giant BHP has announced that it is trialling electric vehicles – and not among its fleet of executive rides, but at the “coalface”, so to speak, of its massive Olympic Dam copper mine in South Australia.
The news was announced on the BHP website on Wednesday, as well as in a Facebook post that is attracting some predictably negative and skeptical public feedback – but that’s mostly because the company has done the unspeakable and converted a V8 4WD true blue Aussie ute to electric drive.

Yes, an electric ute. And in doing so, with the help of Adelaide-based Voltra, which adapted the vehicle, BHP has managed to beat Tesla to the punch, with Elon Musk only these past few weeks releasing a few clues about the next big project for the EV maker.
According to Voltra, the eCruiser is based on the Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series, “the most popular light vehicle in mining today,” and has been put through its paces (at a NZ wind farm, see image below) and “proven to survive the longest in rough, corrosive 4WD environments.”

So many advantages miles underground, no diesel fumes, torque and power, low maintenance. They will never return to the surface, there is a constant radiactivity deep underground and that will make them low level radioactive, some geologist 10,000 years in the future will dig up these vehicles and wonder



https://reneweconomy.com.au/evs-go-underground-as-bhp-beats-tesla-to-the-electric-ute-34832/
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 03 Jul 2018, 08:09

https://insideevs.com/workhorse-opens-w-15-range-extended-truck-orders-to-public/
https://insideevs.com/bollinger-releases-new-b1-electric-truck-video/
Workhorse and Bollinger have already sorted utes out, Workhorse ones will be awesome, and have set the bar high for Tesla.
There is a group in USA too that use f150 shells and make electric cars and I think corvettes , which is what BHP will be doing.
A aussie company already make electric mine vehicle's, the low and long ones, also electric buggies , they where talking about using in mines , ill have to do a search for them.
The Bollinger looks tough and being like a old land rover might be minimalist and last for ever :) :bgrin
Tesla utes will still be 4 years away at least. :thumb
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2018, 08:35

Yeah—but Tesla has achieved their goal of 5000 Model 3s per week.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 03 Jul 2018, 09:20

yeah I posted that in ozpol, funny enough lee and long week and Co didn't reply
Just reading and Tesla have realed their production and sales for the 2nd qurter and its pretty impresive
https://insideevs.com/tesla-q2-production-model-3/
Tesla Q2 2018 Vehicle Production and Deliveries
PALO ALTO, Calif., July 02, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — In the last seven days of Q2, Tesla produced 5,031 Model 3 and 1,913 Model S and X vehicles.
Q2 production totaled 53,339 vehicles, a 55% increase from Q1, making it the most productive quarter in Tesla history by far. For the first time, Model 3 production (28,578) exceeded combined Model S and X production (24,761), and we produced almost three times the amount of Model 3s than we did in Q1. Our Model 3 weekly production rate also more than doubled during the quarter, and we did so without compromising quality.
GA4, our new General Assembly line for Model 3, was responsible for roughly 20% of Model 3s produced last week, with quality from that line being as good as our regular GA3 line. We expect that GA3 alone can reach a production rate of 5,000 Model 3s per week soon, but GA4 helped to get us there faster and will also help to exceed that rate.
Tesla expects to increase production to 6,000 Model 3s per week by late next month. We also reaffirm our guidance for positive GAAP net income and cash flow in Q3 and Q4, despite negative pressures from a weaker USD and likely higher tariffs for vehicles imported into China as well as components procured from China.
Q2 deliveries totaled 40,740 vehicles, of which 18,440 were Model 3, 10,930 were Model S, and 11,370 were Model X. Model S and X deliveries are in line with our guidance provided on May 3. As we previously noted, we are in the process of changing the quarterly production pattern of those vehicles for the various worldwide regions to ensure a more linear flow of deliveries through the quarter. Both orders and deliveries for Model S and X were higher in Q2 than a year ago. Our overall target for 100,000 Model S and Model X deliveries in 2018 is unchanged.
11,166 Model 3 vehicles and 3,892 Model S and X vehicles were in transit to customers at the end of Q2, and will be delivered in early Q3. The high number of customer vehicles in transit for Model 3 was primarily due to a significant increase in production towards the end of the quarter.
The remaining net Model 3 reservations count at the end of Q2 still stood at roughly 420,000 even though we have now delivered 28,386 Model 3 vehicles to date. When we start to provide customers an opportunity to see and test drive the car at their local store, we expect that our orders will grow faster than our production rate. Model 3 Dual Motor All Wheel Drive and Model 3 Dual Motor All Wheel Drive Performance cars will also be available in our stores shortly.

basically they tripled Model 3 production from first quarter.
Now making more 3's than the other 2 models.
Another side note they still have 420,00 pre orders
The shorters have struck again and have made it sound like Tesla wants $2500 more deposit for the model3 pre orders.
They have always asked for $2500 deposit about 3 weeks before delivery, because most r custom orders.
Its worked and Tesla stocks have fallen, but the real news will get out and they will rise again.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2018, 09:37

Some of the shorters will get burned.

Earnings and cash flow positive are good!
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 04 Jul 2018, 08:04

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1530519265/30#42I just worked out how much it would cost and the savings if every vehicle in Australia went Electric, I was actually surprized at the savings :)
in 10 years there would be a saving of AUs of 355 billion dollars from not using fuel. :thumb
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby johnsmith » 04 Jul 2018, 09:18

DonDeeHippy wrote:http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1530519265/30#42I just worked out how much it would cost and the savings if every vehicle in Australia went Electric, I was actually surprized at the savings :)
in 10 years there would be a saving of AUs of 355 billion dollars from not using fuel. :thumb



if those numbers are correct that is a huge savings
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 04 Jul 2018, 09:22

I saw a article in The Australian about electric cars and how in 50 years they will take over.
So I got to thinking well that would be a lot of reorganizing.

Reading up on electric cars, it seams the biggest advantage is that the owners unless going on a big trip , never have to goto a gas station again, just drive for the day then plug in at home and recharge the vehicle at night. Tesla have about 600km's of range
So most recharging will be at night and at off peak hours , solar panels wont work well there.
So I googled and worked this out

The estimated number of motor vehicles registered in Australia was 18.2 million.
These vehicles travelled an estimated total of 249,512 million kilometres in Australia, with an average 13,716 kilometres per vehicle.
Total fuel consumption by all road registered vehicles was 32,732 megalitres.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/9208.0/

ok that's 685,000,000 Km's a day done in Australia
The average EV uses .18 mwh for a Kilometre
Thats 123 GWH a day
It cost 100 million for the 135mwh Tesla Battery in SA
so 10 of them would be 1.35 Gwh and 1 billion dollars
1000 of them would be 135 gwh and cost 100 billion dollars.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/australia-s-largest-solar-plant-to-bui...

It looks Like solar panels r about 1 million per GWh in Aus atm
so lets be kind and say 5 hours a day average, so they need 25gwh of solar panels to power all of aussies vehicle's
That's 25 Billion
Add 10 Billion for incedentals
So at todays prices it would cost 135 Billion dollars to Power every Vehicle in Australia.
the panels will last 20 years the battery 10 years .

Ok Now lets look at Fuel not used
32,732 megalitres (thats a million) a year
so 32,732,000,000 litres a year
to make it easy say fuel is $1,50 a Litre
$49,098,000,000 a year is spend on fuel
49 Billion Dollars

So fuel over 10 years will be 490 Billion Dollars
Battery and solar will be 135 Billion Dollars.
and the solar panels will still be good for 10 years, and the batteries will still be usable just less capacity, all the buildings and site prep is done so only the cost of replacing the battery for the next 10 years
So over 10 years if australia goes fully Electric there will be a saving of 355 Billion dollars in fuel costs alone
Also once installed solar and battery wont go up in price for 10 years, do u think petrol will still be $1.5 in 10 years
The Biggist winner here will be Australia as Australia imports 95% of its fuel from overseas

So even if the materials to build if r from overseas, the labour will come from here and the 355 billions dollars will still be in Australian hands as savings to our population
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Jul 2018, 10:59

There is another saving. An EV would need a fraction of the servicing an ICE needs.

An ICE is a Rube Goldberg machine where water is heated then needs to be cooled. Fuel pump, oil pump and water pump. Ignition coil, distributor, alternator, battery. Radiator. Gear box and differential. Bearings. Manifold & exhaust pipe(s) spewing pollution, CO, CO2, N2O. Computer chip. Brakes turning motion into heat: asbestos.

An EV = battery + electric motor. Computer chip. Regenerative braking, brake pads for emergency stopping/handbrake? Bearings. No pollution if using renewable power (solar panels, windmill + battery.)
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 04 Jul 2018, 12:01

yup car dealers almost make as much on a car from after services as the original purchase... most of that will disappear.
Also a electric car will easily do over 1 million km's (Tesla's will do 1.6 Million) so resale will be impressive and with over the air updates and just upgrading a part u can have the same car a lot longer( and same advancements as a new one). :bgrin :bgrin
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Jul 2018, 12:05

One car last a lifetime. . .apart from plastic and rubber parts cracking from the heat in summer eventually.

Still, replace upholstery after 10 years. . .new paint job like a new car.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 04 Jul 2018, 12:09

yeah the car will fall apart before the drivetrain, just put the drive train in a old car and instant renovation of a classic :)
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby MilesAway » 04 Jul 2018, 12:43

HBS Guy wrote:ahahah Point Piper floating mansions.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Yeh, when?

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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby MilesAway » 04 Jul 2018, 12:46

HBS Guy wrote:Yeah—but Tesla has achieved their goal of 5000 Model 3s per week.

Is that a stable figure going forward? If so congratulations are in order!
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Jul 2018, 13:27

Should be stable, Tesla built a semi-permanent structure and opened a new Model3 production line.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby MilesAway » 04 Jul 2018, 14:28

MilesAway wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:Yeah—but Tesla has achieved their goal of 5000 Model 3s per week.

Is that a stable figure going forward? If so congratulations are in order!

That's 25 000 cars a year!

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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 04 Jul 2018, 14:33

MilesAway wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:Yeah—but Tesla has achieved their goal of 5000 Model 3s per week.

Is that a stable figure going forward? If so congratulations are in order!

It’s not stable atm but give it a few weeks and it will be, they pretty well grabbed everyone to do it and they made 7000 cars in 7 days so pretty amazing.
They r aiming for 6000 by the end of August with the model3 :thumb
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby MilesAway » 04 Jul 2018, 14:57

DonDeeHippy wrote:
MilesAway wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:Yeah—but Tesla has achieved their goal of 5000 Model 3s per week.

Is that a stable figure going forward? If so congratulations are in order!

It’s not stable atm but give it a few weeks and it will be, they pretty well grabbed everyone to do it and they made 7000 cars in 7 days so pretty amazing.
They are aiming for 6000 by the end of August with the model3 :thumb

Cool.

I just had a google and they're saying BP bought a charge company because they expect Britain to have 12 million electric cars on the road by 2040. Googling cars on the road in Britain it said about 32 million in 2016 so by the time 2040 comes around 12 million could represent as little as 10%

So, even if it represented 20% of cars on the road electric cars won't be saving us from global warming if the rate of change is too fast.

The bulk of the heavy lifting has to be done at the electricity generation stage. I see electric cars as trying to push that case but the case for changing electricity generation will ultimately need to stand on it's own two feet.

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Saying all this the arctic sea ice is still trending lower of course but there was no real jaw dropping melt event this year. I think Greenland had a bad hair day at one point but that was about it.

There's another month of 'summer' so we'll see but Trump can probably get away with doing bugger all and still win that second term for instance. His priority is 'the economy' so it will be up to the people to demand change with their feet.

Of course, I would like to see electric fast-chargers for cars become an election issue sooner rather than later. This used to be called the clever country for buggeries sake and our national anthem breathes a plethora of sunshine and plains o which to capture it so it's really a no-brainer in my obviously humble opinion!

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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Jul 2018, 15:21

Good post DRAH! :thumb
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