Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby Lefty » 03 Jul 2016, 07:37

I hope that fat slug O'Dowd is sitting up here sweating bullets. Even if he trips over the line, Zac will be up his arse for the next three years.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby Lefty » 03 Jul 2016, 07:42

Everyone says how young Zac Beers is and it's true. But being young, he can afford to wait it out. O'Dowd should retire to a nursing home, preferably on the asteroid Dactyl - a long way from here and rapidly heading the other direction. The ticket won't be cheap but I'm sure if I send the hat around we can muster a big enough collection :jump
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2016, 08:17

Labor has to work on lifting its primary vote. The Greens are poisonous, pretending to be leftwing progressive while being no more than neocons in fact.

It needs to work out a way of getting people off Manus Is and Nauru then setting up a long term solution like the Malay or Indonesian Processing Centre. The Green hypocrites pose as saviours of Asylum Seekers when the bastards helped abbott block the Malay Solution and so made Manus/Nauru inevitable.

Greens blocked the CPRS and set up the ETS to fail by insisting it be fixed price so abbott could rescind it easily.

The Libs are about to face their own challenge in NXT. If that does OK more Lib seats (in both Houses) will fall to it in 2019. We will see how NXT goes in the next 3 years.

Apparently Truffles was nissed as a pewt when addressing his Party faithfull last night.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2016, 14:57

Labor has 72 seats. Add the Green snot 73. So 2 Indies and 75.

Should know more by Wed.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2016, 16:47

Flynn is a Labor gain.

NXT could win Boothby—depends how green prefs go, look good in Grey. The more the Lib vote is split the better I like it.

Nats seem to have increased their numbers again, 19 now.

Looks like the bogus CFA scare campaign by the Libs (totally dishonest) cost us Corangamite and LaTrobe but will see.

Would have been nice to have those two seats but a Labor minority govt is not unlikely.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2016, 18:14

I wonder what Dick DiNatale is thinking today.

Could have two One Nation and a Nile “Christian” morons in the Senate. He was warned not to facilitate the DD (e.g. by insisting in a clause of the Senate Reform Act state it commences Mid July) and maybe no backwards morons would be in the Senate at all. Now his Senators are offset by 3 climate change denying mouthbreathers. Not that the green slime do much but talk about action on AGW.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2016, 23:00

Labor now leading on TPP. Odds on to be the next govt.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby Lefty » 04 Jul 2016, 00:36

The clock is ticking for poor old Malcom :jump
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Jul 2016, 09:15

No way will Malcolm remain Leader. Win or lose he is toast.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby Cherie » 04 Jul 2016, 14:24

LOL- that crone Bishop is after his job.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Jul 2016, 17:16

We haven’t discussed one Leader much: Dull Old Dick DiNatale. Here is one take on his performance:

If any party needs to be thinking about changing leaders it has to be the Greens. Dodgy Dick has been a disaster, The MSM, of course, are missing this developing story, too busy performing more backflips and reverse dives to notice.

Dick’s sucking up to the Liberals is responsible for the Kroger rumour about the Greens forming an alliance with the Liberal Party. It’s possible there was a grain of truth to that, it’s possible Dick had secret talks with Kroger where he made promises. How on earth would we know if he did or he didn’t? There have been no reports from ‘Greens insiders’ blabbing to the MSM, and anyway, the MSM wouldn’t have cared. They were all far too busy making up crap about Labor to see what was quite possibly going on right under their noses.

It was Dodgy Dick who gave us the legislation that changed the senate voting rules, he thought it would score the Greens a stack of Liberal preferences and maybe even a power-sharing deal. He was completely fooled, but he was too dazed or too arrogant to notice the obvious trap set for him.

Dodgy Dick gave us Senator Pauline Hanson.

And lets’s not forget the au-pair pay scandal. Or the bleeding obvious result from that revelation – Dick and Mrs Dick don’t keep financial records, they pay their child-care staff in cash, accommodation and food. So much for workers’ rights.

Perhaps with a wiser leader the Greens would have gained an extra reps seat or two. Perhaps a leader less in thrall to the Liberal Party would not have made the foolish choices Dodgy Dick made.

I always said he would be the Greens’ Meg Lees with his actions as leader bringing about the end of his party as a political force. We didn’t see the end in this election, but we certainly didn’t see the predicted huge surge in Green votes either. Even sitting ducks like Kelly O’Dwyer and David Feeney are still sitting.

Dick didn’t understand the bleeding obvious – Labor voters swing to the Greens when they are upset with the party and go back to Labor in droves when Labor is on the rise. Anyone even the slightest bit interested in politics knew Labor was going to do well this election. Everyone except Dick, who thought it was going to be a Greenslide. Maybe Fizza’s poor judgement is catching.

Time to go, Dick. Resign gracefully, before someone shoves a knife between your shoulder blades.


and;

having a further look the greens have definitely lost their second seat in South Australia and stand a chance of losing their second seats in Tasmania and Western Australia.


Ouch! 3 Senators gone! I guess the Greens got a few disaffected Libs voting for them which would account for the tiny increase in their vote that RDN is so excited about, doubt they are Green converts at all.

DiNatale gave us Pauline fucking Hanson in the Senate, maybe 2 more One Nation boneheads. Well done Dick! Oh—and Marriage Equality might be delayed another 3 years. No action on AGW, ASs stuck in hellholes in Manus Is and Nauru now marriage equality delayed. How proud the (deluded) Green supporters must be!
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Jul 2016, 20:41

Talking about Leaders, Shorten is safe as Leader but Malsplaining is in serious trouble. His campaign was shit, tactics foolish and not a single real policy. Will abbott make a comeback? (oh please! )
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 18 Jul 2016, 09:14

Christ, it seems Waffles gave the Lib Party nearly $2m! (National shit sheet now says well over $2m, no link of course.)

Paying to be PM, how fucking pathetic!

But

it may just give Waffles a bit more say in Party/Coalition.

Still pathetic tho.

Is a repeat of Waffles’ first run at preselection/election for Wentworth.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 18 Jul 2016, 14:55

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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 18 Jul 2016, 15:00

FFS!

Election 2016: Malcolm Turnbull threw in millions but cash can’t silence critics:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2016/malcolm-threw-in-millions-but-cash-cant-silence-critics/news-story/53a3dec293c7a3253cd43de97fab6154

OVER $2m? And still can’t silence critics? Resign, moron. Become an Indy and criticise your critics!

Not only that but:

The international media have been telling it like it is for a week, something the biased Australian MSM can’t manage.

Singapore-
Turnbull to name a more conservative Cabinet
http://www.todayonline.com/world/turnbull-name-more-conservative-cabinet

Also reported by India’s NDTV, Breitbart Britain, ABC News in the US and the Middle East’s Gulf News and probably more. All variations on the same story.


https://pbxmastragics.com/2016/07/17/abbott-out-turnbull-buys-in-as-coalition-heads-toward-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-243567
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Jul 2016, 11:06

Someone made this statement:

The Greens are way too big to be a single issue party. They have a good shot at toppling Labor going forward. If that meant the major party on the left of the spectrum was no longer hobbled by the union movement, that would be a good thing.


PHON rose spectacularly this election. They have a good shot at toppling the Greens—that could be argued. Neither of these Parties have a real platform, PHON is based on fear, Greens on being “progressive.” These are Parties of the right, even the Greens who get accused of being communists. The Greens are inner city, PHON the outer suburbs. Greens have won some rural State seats, true, but these are tree- or sea- change seats, not seats won by country people deciding to vote Green.

Both these fringe Parties got a one time boost this election from Lib voters lodging protest votes at Turnbull knifing abbott, that won’t be the case next election. So, it would be wise to wait until the next election to see how these two minor Parties will go.

Greens are a single issue Party: they act to protect their very wealthy inner city base. This base wants to feel morally superior but without paying a price for that. The Greens can be trusted to talk about stopping AGW (while acting to ensure no ETS will exist to cost their base) and tax transparency while doing a dirty little deal to ensure their base won’t face such tax transparency, etc. The Greens will talk about justice for asylum seekers while blocking the only alternative to the gulags, the Malaysia Processing Centre.

Even the crap about unions is wrong. A couple disgruntled unions support the Greens and the Greens policy making is all done in secret. Not like unions are a big thing anymore in Australia, to the huge detriment to working people.
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Jul 2016, 21:29

FD shows his invincible ignorance yet again:

For those of you who have never worked in the media, which is basically the only place anyone would still use that 18th-century term: It refers to the power of the press to balance that of the three estates — clergy, aristocracy, and the well-to-do — in the British Parliament


British Parliament has only ever had two houses, Lords and Commons.

What FD is referring to in his engagingly kindergardenish way is the French Parliament under the Louis the whatever up until the mob was so rude as to get rid of the Louises.

I remember loving the way FD rewrote evolution, all due to an immense (4 billion years immense) series of “beneficial mutations.”

Why the fuck does that idiot never ever crack a book relevant to science or politics etc?
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Jul 2016, 21:52

Got moved enough to blast that moron over ====>
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby Cherie » 20 Aug 2016, 11:34

Yes FD come on now read a bloody book..
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Re: Federal Election 2016—issues and leaders

Postby HBS Guy » 28 Aug 2016, 10:53

How the IPA changed, the failure of neoconservatism (aka neoliberalism) etc:

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/08/27/former-ipa-head-radicals-hijacked-think-tank/14722200003666

The failure of neoliberalism is very real. Around the globe economies are stagnating as the poor get poorer and save not spend. Labor must set about removing neoconservatism here—the Libs, Nats and Greens are all neoconservative Parties:

Notwithstanding its failures, says Damien Cahill, neoliberalism staggers on. But increasingly it is questioned, even by former advocates.

“Forecasts for economic growth are being continually revised down by the IMF [International Monetary Fund], There is a situation of global stagnation,” he says.

“It’s all indicative of the reality that neoliberalism has not been able to provide the economic growth in a crisis.

“Policymakers are now looking around for a new institutional architecture capable of providing that growth.”

And, it should be added, spreading it more evenly.

The inevitable result has been an increasingly angry public and an increasing polarisation in politics. Even former prime minister Tony Abbott recently lamented the “hyper-partisanship” of contemporary politics. Which is ironic, given his pre-eminent role in encouraging it.


It will not be easy to overturn neoliberalism given that it has failed. Governments are indebted thanks to neoliberalism so buying back crucial public infrastructure and nationalising natural monopolies is very difficult.

First middleclass welfare needs to be reversed. This will rebuild national balance sheets. Other things can be done, like setting up a new national bank using the post office—cheaper than trying to nationalise the CBA! The purpose of a government bank? Curbing the greed of the commercial bank. The real NBN must be rolled out, removing and scrapping all the FTTN idiocy. Huge waste of money, yes, but it is sunk capital that is delivering no real return, hardly making enough to cover the costs.

I would like to see a constitutional reform that protects vital assets against ever being nationalised: it is needed because the brain dead Libs will never admit that neoconservatism has failed. Tax the IPA, make them disclose funding and that should pull its teeth.

What is the Right doing to explain the failure of neoconservatism? Errrr finding scapegoats:
Other studies have produced even more worrying results. A poll by the Lowy Institute in 2014 showed 40 per cent of people questioned the value of democratic government. In recent elections, ever more people have voted for fringe parties.

The reality behind all these outcomes is surely obvious. A lot of people do not believe the system is delivering benefits for them.

Last month, in the wake of the Brexit vote in Britain, the Economist magazine – hardly a left-wing publication – summed up the crisis:

“Across Western democracies, from the America of Donald Trump to the France of Marine Le Pen, large numbers of people are enraged. If they cannot find a voice within the mainstream, they will make themselves heard from without. Unless they believe that the global order works to their benefit, Brexit risks becoming just the start of an unravelling of globalisation and the prosperity it has created.”

It went on to suggest the failure of the prevailing economic model to spread the benefits [my emphasis] made that anger inevitable and justified – if misdirected towards other targets such as “immigration, globalisation, social liberalism and even feminism”.

There is evidence to suggest that misdirection of anger has been encouraged by the right-wing think tanks and the politicians they have fostered.


Racism—and the IPA is trying to water down the Racial Discrimination Act. Now we see why ASs are so demonised by the Right. Brainless morons like IQS.R.LOL and Juliar on OzPol just fall for this, a non–reason for failure that means they don’t have to question their beliefs. Same for Global Warming, label that a false belief and conservatives—who fear change—will go chasing after that. Easier than thinking.
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