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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Chuck » 15 Feb 2020, 10:54

FYI This is John Hopkins coronavirus monitoring site

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Lols » 15 Feb 2020, 12:22

We all need to share updates and what’s going on with this virus.
It appears to have come forth some evidence of this virus can reinfect a person again, only the 2nd time is deadlier.

I watch Chris Matrensen for his daily updates.

https://youtu.be/MwJ5thwr4C8
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Dax » 15 Feb 2020, 13:10

The chinese are not telling the true story, they like all ideologues lie and deceive if they think it will help their agenda.

This virus is just the beginning, it's no different to Sars and is probably the same virus which has mutated and developed ways round any attempts to control it. They already know the viruses have been boosted by massive amounts of antibiotics used in the animal food industries and it will soon get to the stage where nothing will stop them spreading throughout humanity.

When you consider our climate is changing, the environment and ecology is changing and destroying the ability to maintain many life forms. What is surviving and thriving on the pollution, contamination and incubation in food animals, are viruses.

If anyone had any real sense and not just moaning denial and passing the blame, they'd be rapidly removing animal products from their diets, because it is only those who eat animal products, who get these viruses. Even if a non animal eater does get infected, it passes through their bodies rapidly, because there is nothing in the body of non animal eaters, for the virus to gestate and grow. Like all living things, viruses require specific environments to grow and multiply, animals products and their associated processed foods, are perfect environments for viruses to develop and spread.

The only way to survive into the foreseeable future, is to rid your bodies and diets of animals products. otherwise, you're doomed.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Chuck » 15 Feb 2020, 14:34

Unfortunately, my suspicion that this virus would spread around the world has come to fruition.

The WHO needs to stop this virus spreading to the poorer countries because it could turn into a drastic situation!

Not trying to be a smart arse but these are comments that I made in previous posts on this virus.

A layman's logic is that if a certain group is suspected of having the ability to infected people, especially those who can afford to travel the world in large numbers. The probability of infecting other people is greatly enhanced.

What some posters area forgetting, with the Ebola outbreak, the virus was contained because the majority of Africans in the infected areas couldn’t afford to travel.

The difference is that the Chinese population are like the swarm of locusts that is currently plaguing Africa. The concern is that they have the ability to spread this virus thru out the globe with them being able to afford to travel.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Lols » 15 Feb 2020, 14:43

Now I’m really miffed!
This morning I was saying to hubby, how I’m glad we don’t live in sardine close proximity of people, hence the good 1/4 acre block has 3 units now with no space for kids to play.

I’m feeling happy we are away from close neighbours etc until this happened just now.
Let me explain.
It’s said, to not be complacent about this virus.
My friend who always pops in to visit comes in for a cuppa this arvo.
We compare notes about our news and internet info.
She tells her mother about it and her mother waves her off saying it’s rubbish etc and asks the daughter how would she know.
My friend tells her mother, it’s on the news, it’s on the internet. And her mother thinks it’s all garbage.
Now here is the interesting part about her ignorant mother.
A friend of theirs just came back from China after being isolated for 2 weeks, and they went out to lunch.
My friend tells her mother the isolation is now 24 days and she should not have gone to lunch with this person.
Her mother says but he wasn’t coughing.

OMG!!!!

I then asked my friend have you seen your mum since her contact with this person that just cane back from China?
My friend said yes she just saw her mum.
I then say, “Because of your mums ignorance, you could be infected, now me and my hubby, and your 2 young adult kids too and all their friends could be infected”
I think this is a classic example of how it can spread without ones knowledge.
I don’t know how to think of this now.
I have up to 24 days to find out.
I disinfected everything my friend touched!
Would any of you go to lunch with someone arriving from China after being in isolation for only 14 days????
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Chuck » 15 Feb 2020, 15:59

Has anyone used the link to the John Hopkins site?

I heard rumours that certain govt departments are monitoring this site for updates,
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Lols » 15 Feb 2020, 19:08

I did look at it, a map right?
Did you look at the link I put up?
It discusses his smokers would not cope as well as non smokers if this virus is caught.
And knowing how smoking clogs the lungs up, and how a lot of Chinese are heavy smokers, it makes sense why do many have breathing problems.

Lols wrote:We all need to share updates and what’s going on with this virus.
It appears to have come forth some evidence of this virus can reinfect a person again, only the 2nd time is deadlier.

I watch Chris Martensen for his daily updates.

https://youtu.be/MwJ5thwr4C8
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Lols » 15 Feb 2020, 19:11

Chuck wrote:Has anyone used the link to the John Hopkins site?

I heard rumours that certain govt departments are monitoring this site for updates,
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I find the death toll in China seems a low ball figure in that map, especially given the reports from funeral places are working 2 shifts and run off their feet cremating hundreds per day.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 15 Feb 2020, 22:00

It is not looking good ..long term.

No one has answered my question. Perhaps I should rephrase it.

Are ethnic Chinese the only victims.?

I'd say...……….. NO.

That would be impossible, surely, but no-one seems to know that fact.

Any comments.?
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Dax » 16 Feb 2020, 04:17

There is one recorded death of non chinese in France and a couple of yanks, that I've read about, but all the authorities will keep a lid on the real facts to not panic the people. Which is what they do for every emergency.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby HBS Guy » 16 Feb 2020, 05:41

Over 60K cases, 1500 deaths. Worryingly, 1700 Chinese health workers have been infected and a few have died because of Chinese govt bungling. Ships with Chinese containers are being refused entry to ports.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Dax » 16 Feb 2020, 08:46

Seems I got it wrong, it's a chinese person in France who has died, not a non chinese. As for the supposed death of yanks, another false claim I read but has been debunked.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Lols » 16 Feb 2020, 10:25

And the big question I think is obvious, just one race are being effected while other non Chinese may have the virus but not lethally as it is to Chinese race?

I was reading about gene editing, and how specific races can be targeted.
I also read some reports put up before this covid-19 took effect.
It stated that the Lab in China wanted DNA samples from American people.
Well why would anyone in a chinese lab with 25,000 virus and 60,000 strains want the DNA of yanks for?
All staring to sound like Frankenstein stuff to me!!

I found this link below because I wanted to know if pets can get this new corona virus.
It seems this has been around for 50,000 years but nowhere as bad as an effect of this recent new type of “altered” virus.
Simply put, questions come to mind, I saw this question somewhere earlier as to how the protein coating on this corona virus, appears to have been deliberately removed/tampered with?

https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/news/can-pets-contract-coronavirus-humans-or-vice-versa
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby mothra » 16 Feb 2020, 10:41

Lols wrote:And the big question I think is obvious, just one race are being effected while other non Chinese may have the virus but not lethally as it is to Chinese race?

I was reading about gene editing, and how specific races can be targeted.
I also read some reports put up before this covid-19 took effect.
It stated that the Lab in China wanted DNA samples from American people.
Well why would anyone in a chinese lab with 25,000 virus and 60,000 strains want the DNA of yanks for?
All staring to sound like Frankenstein stuff to me!!

I found this link below because I wanted to know if pets can get this new corona virus.
It seems this has been around for 50,000 years but nowhere as bad as an effect of this recent new type of “altered” virus.
Simply put, questions come to mind, I saw this question somewhere earlier as to how the protein coating on this corona virus, appears to have been deliberately removed/tampered with?

https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/news/can-pets-contract-coronavirus-humans-or-vice-versa


Lols. i think you'll find that it's less to do with who the virus can affect than who the virus has affected.

It's not really broken out of Asia {or at least amongst non-Asian people) and the mortality rate is low.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Chuck » 16 Feb 2020, 11:30

Meanwhile, China has reportedly been reluctant to accept help from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and has reportedly suppressed information about the outbreak from scientists that it deems alarming.

.... over the past two decades has only hardened the U.S. government's belief that China cannot be trusted, experts say. White House advisor Peter Navarro has even called China a "disease incubator."
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 16 Feb 2020, 23:44

mothra wrote:
Lols wrote:And the big question I think is obvious, just one race are being effected while other non Chinese may have the virus but not lethally as it is to Chinese race?

I was reading about gene editing, and how specific races can be targeted.
I also read some reports put up before this covid-19 took effect.
It stated that the Lab in China wanted DNA samples from American people.
Well why would anyone in a chinese lab with 25,000 virus and 60,000 strains want the DNA of yanks for?
All staring to sound like Frankenstein stuff to me!!

I found this link below because I wanted to know if pets can get this new corona virus.
It seems this has been around for 50,000 years but nowhere as bad as an effect of this recent new type of “altered” virus.
Simply put, questions come to mind, I saw this question somewhere earlier as to how the protein coating on this corona virus, appears to have been deliberately removed/tampered with?

https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/news/can-pets-contract-coronavirus-humans-or-vice-versa


Lols. i think you'll find that it's less to do with who the virus can affect than who the virus has affected.

It's not really broken out of Asia {or at least amongst non-Asian people) and the mortality rate is low.


My thoughts concur. Basically the Chinese have been the epi-centre.. it is a virus that can affect all humans, which is why it seems all those tourists on cruise ships (Yokohama Bay eg) are kept there. Seems like an awful idea... couldn't think of anything worse.
Left to be infected... a real horror story, built on fear.
Noises are now being made by the govt to remove the Aussies from the ship. Good Luck.

Every human is vulnerable, theoretically.
Exposure is the key.
It certainly seems to be very infectious...

It does not appear to be contained at this time.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Feb 2020, 09:07

It does not have a high death rate. Chinese govt is insular and suspicious.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 17 Feb 2020, 20:25

well I guess the answer is YES it is an epidemic.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Lols » 17 Feb 2020, 21:47

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/17/coronavirus-japan-braces-for-hundreds-more-cases-as-another-china-city-locked-down

Another 99 infected taking it to 454 total to date.
My questions are:
1. Why didn’t they take these passengers off the ship and put in quarantine earlier?
Thus, they do it now, disembark and they have to all go into quarantine again for a further 2 weeks.

2. Since all were in their statesroom away from crowds, now they have disembarked, are they all being lumped together?

A ship is like a floating Petri dish.

First they say all passengers should stay on ship to contain it, yet the virus spread in clusters at an alarming rate.
Particularly feel for those in inside cabins, with stuffy air. Only allowed out for fresh air for one hour every 2nd -3rd day.

I will say what it’s like, an inside cabin is about the size of a caravan. A tight little en-suite.
No windows and one would not know day from night,
Very little room to walk around in.
They have their internet via phones or laptops, if they brought it, and the tv,
I heard complimentary porn was offered on the tv for all on board.
An inside cabin is okay for a very short cruise, as you just go in to shower, change, and sleep.
Even a cabin with window is less confining, a view to the outside world and sky and sun at least.
But we have decided will always book a cabin with balcony now.
It may cost $1000 on average more.
One thing I pack is laundry detergent and clothes pegs to wash undies and hang up to dry in shower with pull out laundry wire. A lot of passengers on the stricken Princess ship said they ran out of undies.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 17 Feb 2020, 22:50

Chuck wrote:Meanwhile, China has reportedly been reluctant to accept help from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and has reportedly suppressed information about the outbreak from scientists that it deems alarming.

.... over the past two decades has only hardened the U.S. government's belief that China cannot be trusted, experts say. White House advisor Peter Navarro has even called China a "disease incubator."


You can be sure that ANYTHING that comes from THE WHITE HOUSE is FAKE NEWS.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Lols » 18 Feb 2020, 11:30

pinkeye wrote:
Chuck wrote:Meanwhile, China has reportedly been reluctant to accept help from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and has reportedly suppressed information about the outbreak from scientists that it deems alarming.

.... over the past two decades has only hardened the U.S. government's belief that China cannot be trusted, experts say. White House advisor Peter Navarro has even called China a "disease incubator."


You can be sure that ANYTHING that comes from THE WHITE HOUSE is FAKE NEWS.


I was reading a report how factories are opening up in China, and 200 reluctant workers ordered to go to work (after a 14 day quarantine) yet one worker tested positive with the virus, now all 200 are infected.

I also read how a woman was out of quarantine after 14 days, and became ill with the virus on the 15th day.

14 days is not enough and obviously the stated 24 day quarantine is recommended.

This is an unknown never seen before virus and has already shown 14 days quarantine is no guarantee by any means.
I think it’s epidemic.
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Squire » 18 Feb 2020, 13:02

Despite the scare stories emerging from China and Asia, more people are dying from flu in the USA.

Reportedly 12,000 -32,000 people have died from flu-related causes in the USA compared to less than 2,000 in China.

Why is influenza so deadly in the USA? If coronavirus had the same death rate as US flu epidemics, there would be 50,000 to 150,000 dead in China based on population extrapolation.

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/02/11/flu-season

According to CDC, this year's flu season has led to at least 10 million medical visits and 210,000 hospitalizations. In addition, CDC found that the percentage of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness increased to 6.7% in the week ending Feb. 1, up from 6% in the week ending Jan. 25. The national baseline for those visits is 2.4%.

The data also shows that between 12,000 and 30,000 flu-related deaths occurred from Oct. 1, 2019, to Feb. 1. This flu season has been especially bad for children, according to CDC. According to the report, officials as of Feb. 1 had reported 78 pediatric deaths associated with the flu. Experts have said the influenza B strain that has been dominant this flu season is more likely to affect younger people, though they're not sure why. Some experts believe older people may have some immunity to influenza B, as it doesn't mutate as much as other flu strains. That means it's possible older people previously contracted the flu strain that's been most dominant so far this season.

Coronavirus dominates news coverage, yet flu is deadlier
Despite how bad this flu season has been, the flu isn't getting nearly as much public attention as the new coronavirus that originated in China, even though flu presents a much bigger risk to Americans.

William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and health policy at Vanderbilt University ...
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Squire » 18 Feb 2020, 14:04

Are Australians guinea pigs to predict the impact of emerging influenza strains on the USA?

https://www.outbreakobservatory.org/outbreakthursday-1/1/9/2020/united-states-influenza-2019-2020-season

... In addition to an early start, the flu season in Australia resulted in record high incidence, with 310,011 cases of influenza, compared to its previous high of 249,882 cases in 2017. The flu season in the Southern Hemisphere in countries like Australia is often looked to as a predictor for what could be expected in the upcoming flu season in the Northern Hemisphere, which factors into decisions on vaccine content. ...
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby Bongalong » 18 Feb 2020, 18:05

Lols wrote:
pinkeye wrote:
Chuck wrote:Meanwhile, China has reportedly been reluctant to accept help from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and has reportedly suppressed information about the outbreak from scientists that it deems alarming.

.... over the past two decades has only hardened the U.S. government's belief that China cannot be trusted, experts say. White House advisor Peter Navarro has even called China a "disease incubator."


You can be sure that ANYTHING that comes from THE WHITE HOUSE is FAKE NEWS.


I was reading a report how factories are opening up in China, and 200 reluctant workers ordered to go to work (after a 14 day quarantine) yet one worker tested positive with the virus, now all 200 are infected.

I also read how a woman was out of quarantine after 14 days, and became ill with the virus on the 15th day.

14 days is not enough and obviously the stated 24 day quarantine is recommended.

This is an unknown never seen before virus and has already shown 14 days quarantine is no guarantee by any means.
I think it’s epidemic.

Nice logically concluded answer I will admit: but the topic is all about the careful use of words USED via mass media.... because, RESPONSABILITY IS A THING! :Hi
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Re: Is the corona-virus really "an epidemic"?

Postby pinkeye » 19 Feb 2020, 01:02

Squire wrote:Despite the scare stories emerging from China and Asia, more people are dying from flu in the USA.

Reportedly 12,000 -32,000 people have died from flu-related causes in the USA compared to less than 2,000 in China.

Why is influenza so deadly in the USA? If coronavirus had the same death rate as US flu epidemics, there would be 50,000 to 150,000 dead in China based on population extrapolation.

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/02/11/flu-season

According to CDC, this year's flu season has led to at least 10 million medical visits and 210,000 hospitalizations. In addition, CDC found that the percentage of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness increased to 6.7% in the week ending Feb. 1, up from 6% in the week ending Jan. 25. The national baseline for those visits is 2.4%.

The data also shows that between 12,000 and 30,000 flu-related deaths occurred from Oct. 1, 2019, to Feb. 1. This flu season has been especially bad for children, according to CDC. According to the report, officials as of Feb. 1 had reported 78 pediatric deaths associated with the flu. Experts have said the influenza B strain that has been dominant this flu season is more likely to affect younger people, though they're not sure why. Some experts believe older people may have some immunity to influenza B, as it doesn't mutate as much as other flu strains. That means it's possible older people previously contracted the flu strain that's been most dominant so far this season.

Coronavirus dominates news coverage, yet flu is deadlier
Despite how bad this flu season has been, the flu isn't getting nearly as much public attention as the new coronavirus that originated in China, even though flu presents a much bigger risk to Americans.

William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and health policy at Vanderbilt University ...



It's the new kid on the block. Corvid-19.

The newest challenge.. afaik.. Loose in the world community.
We still don't know enough about it.
Research is imperative.

Influenza is long established as a mass killer of humans... and we know we haven't managed to make a dent in the yearly deaths that come from the flu.
That despite many info campaigns about washing hands, not sneezing or coughing except into the crook of your elbow.. well that's all I know about avoiding infections from viruses .. or bacteria for that matter.

OH YEAH
the best advice..? stay away from people.. crowds,

well that's easy for me.. :bgrin
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