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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby karlrand » 26 Jan 2020, 06:25

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:
karlrand wrote:
Dax wrote:
karlrand wrote:I haven’t dredged through every thread in this section but it appears complete boredom with the US Impeachment process has set in. Fair enough, it’s all been very tedious and predictable BUT given the possibility Trump will get off this time and may be re-elected we need to ask what the implications are in having an unhinged and unleashed dictator in the Whitehouse. I suggest it’s no exaggeration to suspect we may see the death of democracy in the US given it’s been on it’s knees since Trump first ascended the Whitehouse throne.


The USA is no different to other countries, politically, ideologically, social and ecologically. So there is no argument as to it being any more relevant to any other form of political corruption sweeping the planet and it all involves ideologies and in particular, god nutters. Rump is just another crazed ideologue, no different to any country or state leader and if people just sat back, snapped out of their zombie approach to the future and looked at the reality of the political world. They'd soon see the truth and maybe make some changes in their approach to the future.

How is the Rump any different to Moronison, or the deranged Johnston or Macron, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu. They are all corrupt and it's the same around the planet, the only decent ones if there are any, are rare and mostly get dumbed down but the system. The Rump has the bigger and more guns than anyone else at the moment, so he fluffs his feathers and struts round like the king with no clothes and everyone can see he's a waste of space, but they just put on their rose coloured glasses and lock out reality.

To my mind, there are more pressing political discussions that could be discussed, rather than the collapse of a society, when our own is following close behind.

Our wonderful governments have put our capabilities of surviving decades backwards. Same with global warming, same with health, same with everything. The Rump is a brainless drop kick, he will start a war, his ego just couldn't stand not believing he can do it any time he wants and will to prove the USA is back.

You can't moralise about war, it's the act of trying to kill, take over and destroy at any cost other than the leaders and ideological elites. To claim killing a combatant one way is immoral and yet another way is moral, is pathetic. In war it's kill or be killed and anything goes to save yours and others lives. It has always included the slaughter of non combatants, that's a tactic used by all sides in every war through out history and it will never change.

A great deal to agree with here but can we please just pause for a moment and look outside of the usual suspects of ideology, religion and power and spend a little time contemplating ourselves as a species and whether or not we deserve to survive.
And why can’t we moralise about war? Are such actions amoral?


Religion ideology and power are one and the same thing, if there were no fanciful belief systems, there wouldn't be the problems we have today. All our problems revolve around religion and other fantasy beliefs and those in power are also religious.

Except communists but then they don't count... :purple

About time we arrived at an agreed definition of what communism is. Neither Russis nor China easily fit my definition. Both have profoundly disturbing aspects of a form of government I can only call gangster run ‘ state’ capitalism pretending to be socialist.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby SethBullock » 26 Jan 2020, 06:49

Aussie wrote:Yes...that's what would have been said of the contemporary critics of Adolf. The US is in danger of handing itself over to POTUS Trump.


Translating typical Godwin references ....

"Because your point of view is different than mine, (insert Godwin reference here)."
"Because I don't like Trump, (insert Godwin reference here)."
"Because I don't agree with Trump's position on (choose issue), (insert Godwin reference here.)"
"Because my candidate didn't win, (insert Godwin reference here.)"

"Nuclear war", "end of the world", and "the USA is doomed" may also be substituted for Godwin.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Dax » 26 Jan 2020, 07:34

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:
karlrand wrote:
Dax wrote:
karlrand wrote:I haven’t dredged through every thread in this section but it appears complete boredom with the US Impeachment process has set in. Fair enough, it’s all been very tedious and predictable BUT given the possibility Trump will get off this time and may be re-elected we need to ask what the implications are in having an unhinged and unleashed dictator in the Whitehouse. I suggest it’s no exaggeration to suspect we may see the death of democracy in the US given it’s been on it’s knees since Trump first ascended the Whitehouse throne.


The USA is no different to other countries, politically, ideologically, social and ecologically. So there is no argument as to it being any more relevant to any other form of political corruption sweeping the planet and it all involves ideologies and in particular, god nutters. Rump is just another crazed ideologue, no different to any country or state leader and if people just sat back, snapped out of their zombie approach to the future and looked at the reality of the political world. They'd soon see the truth and maybe make some changes in their approach to the future.

How is the Rump any different to Moronison, or the deranged Johnston or Macron, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu. They are all corrupt and it's the same around the planet, the only decent ones if there are any, are rare and mostly get dumbed down but the system. The Rump has the bigger and more guns than anyone else at the moment, so he fluffs his feathers and struts round like the king with no clothes and everyone can see he's a waste of space, but they just put on their rose coloured glasses and lock out reality.

To my mind, there are more pressing political discussions that could be discussed, rather than the collapse of a society, when our own is following close behind.

Our wonderful governments have put our capabilities of surviving decades backwards. Same with global warming, same with health, same with everything. The Rump is a brainless drop kick, he will start a war, his ego just couldn't stand not believing he can do it any time he wants and will to prove the USA is back.

You can't moralise about war, it's the act of trying to kill, take over and destroy at any cost other than the leaders and ideological elites. To claim killing a combatant one way is immoral and yet another way is moral, is pathetic. In war it's kill or be killed and anything goes to save yours and others lives. It has always included the slaughter of non combatants, that's a tactic used by all sides in every war through out history and it will never change.

A great deal to agree with here but can we please just pause for a moment and look outside of the usual suspects of ideology, religion and power and spend a little time contemplating ourselves as a species and whether or not we deserve to survive.
And why can’t we moralise about war? Are such actions amoral?


Religion ideology and power are one and the same thing, if there were no fanciful belief systems, there wouldn't be the problems we have today. All our problems revolve around religion and other fantasy beliefs and those in power are also religious.

Except communists but then they don't count... :purple


Communism is an ideology, no different to religion, other than they have a living oppressive dictator. Whilst religions have fictional mythical dictators, who the followers can use to not take responsibility for any of their actions. Communists just kill their opponents, not different to capitalists, other then the methodology.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 26 Jan 2020, 09:31

Dax wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:
karlrand wrote:
Dax wrote:
karlrand wrote:I haven’t dredged through every thread in this section but it appears complete boredom with the US Impeachment process has set in. Fair enough, it’s all been very tedious and predictable BUT given the possibility Trump will get off this time and may be re-elected we need to ask what the implications are in having an unhinged and unleashed dictator in the Whitehouse. I suggest it’s no exaggeration to suspect we may see the death of democracy in the US given it’s been on it’s knees since Trump first ascended the Whitehouse throne.


The USA is no different to other countries, politically, ideologically, social and ecologically. So there is no argument as to it being any more relevant to any other form of political corruption sweeping the planet and it all involves ideologies and in particular, god nutters. Rump is just another crazed ideologue, no different to any country or state leader and if people just sat back, snapped out of their zombie approach to the future and looked at the reality of the political world. They'd soon see the truth and maybe make some changes in their approach to the future.

How is the Rump any different to Moronison, or the deranged Johnston or Macron, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu. They are all corrupt and it's the same around the planet, the only decent ones if there are any, are rare and mostly get dumbed down but the system. The Rump has the bigger and more guns than anyone else at the moment, so he fluffs his feathers and struts round like the king with no clothes and everyone can see he's a waste of space, but they just put on their rose coloured glasses and lock out reality.

To my mind, there are more pressing political discussions that could be discussed, rather than the collapse of a society, when our own is following close behind.

Our wonderful governments have put our capabilities of surviving decades backwards. Same with global warming, same with health, same with everything. The Rump is a brainless drop kick, he will start a war, his ego just couldn't stand not believing he can do it any time he wants and will to prove the USA is back.

You can't moralise about war, it's the act of trying to kill, take over and destroy at any cost other than the leaders and ideological elites. To claim killing a combatant one way is immoral and yet another way is moral, is pathetic. In war it's kill or be killed and anything goes to save yours and others lives. It has always included the slaughter of non combatants, that's a tactic used by all sides in every war through out history and it will never change.

A great deal to agree with here but can we please just pause for a moment and look outside of the usual suspects of ideology, religion and power and spend a little time contemplating ourselves as a species and whether or not we deserve to survive.
And why can’t we moralise about war? Are such actions amoral?


Religion ideology and power are one and the same thing, if there were no fanciful belief systems, there wouldn't be the problems we have today. All our problems revolve around religion and other fantasy beliefs and those in power are also religious.

Except communists but then they don't count... :purple


Communism is an ideology, no different to religion, other than they have a living oppressive dictator. Whilst religions have fictional mythical dictators, who the followers can use to not take responsibility for any of their actions. Communists just kill their opponents, not different to capitalists, other then the methodology.

Good thing you have no ideologies like wanting to kill 99% of the population , no religions and no cities

I know you only want what's best for every one, as long as they do what you say and believe what you idea's of spirituality are, everyone will be fine

I don't know why no one thought of that before and imposed their will on everyone :meet
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Dax » 26 Jan 2020, 10:24

DonDeeHippy wrote:Good thing you have no ideologies like wanting to kill 99% of the population , no religions and no cities

I know you only want what's best for every one, as long as they do what you say and believe what you idea's of spirituality are, everyone will be fine

I don't know why no one thought of that before and imposed their will on everyone :meet


Typical frustrated clone, shoot the messenger and do nothing else and the reality.

What's my idea of spirituality, considering think it's a load of airy fairy crap.

No religion would be excellent, as for the population and cities, nature will decide that outcome in its own time and nothing you or I can do about it. My predictions revolve around the viewable facts and depend on humanity continuing down the same path as it currently is, if it changed :rofl :rofl :rofl the future would be very different. It's easy to make predictions of the future when you can see the cause won't be removed, the smart in touch young people have a very vivid view of the future and don't have their heads in the sand, They just have no hope of changing the approach of this destructive system and it's supporters, like you.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby SethBullock » 26 Jan 2020, 13:34

Well, Don, that turned out well, didn't it? :roll
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Bongalong » 30 Jan 2020, 18:35

karlrand wrote:I haven’t dredged through every thread in this section but it appears complete boredom with the US Impeachment process has set in. Fair enough, it’s all been very tedious and predictable BUT given the possibility Trump will get off this time and may be re-elected we need to ask what the implications are in having an unhinged and unleashed dictator in the Whitehouse. I suggest it’s no exaggeration to suspect we may see the death of democracy in the US given it’s been on it’s knees since Trump first ascended the Whitehouse throne.
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by Zachary B. Wolf
(Questions? Comments? impeachment@cnn.com)

Think Trump's acting like a dictator now? What if he's reelected after this?
Opening arguments from the Democrats are over. They closed their case against President Donald Trump declaring he must be removed from office for upsetting the balance of power envisioned by the Constitution and for upsetting world order.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff, the former federal prosecutor who presided all fall over the House inquiry into Trump's Ukraine pressure campaign, closed the arguments for Democrats by trying to head off some of what Trump's defenders will say in their rebuttal. The California Democrat chiefly focused on making the point that Republicans, regardless of their personal feelings about the President, should realize he'll put himself over the country again and again.
"It doesn't matter whether you like him. It doesn't matter if you dislike him," Schiff said. "What matters is whether he is a danger to the country because he will do it again. And none of us have can have confidence, based on his record, that he will not do it again. Because he is telling us every day that he will.
Obstructing Congress
Most of today's arguments focused on the second article of impeachment, which argues Trump has obstructed Congress. Read that again here.
The Democrats are arguing that, in the American system, no one should be above the law. But Trump's Department of Justice says he can't be indicted, which is at least part of the reason the Mueller report did not recommend charging him as part of the Russia investigation that consumed the first half of Trump's presidency before concluding last year.
Trump's fateful phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky came July 25, the day after Robert Mueller's last testimony on his investigation. Democrats outlined the White House effort to squash their investigation into Trump's efforts to hold up taxpayer-funded, congressionally approved aid to Ukraine, and the unprecedented lack of cooperation between the branches of government as they tried to find out what happened.
Upsetting the balance of power
Trump came into office with Republicans holding both chambers of Congress. He refuses to cooperate with Democrats now that they control the House of Representatives. That leaves him accountable to no one but the Supreme Court and the Electoral College, which gives more power to the less populous states where he draws his power. This is not the system of checks and balances envisioned by the Constitution. But the idea that things are out of whack may not be enough to convince any Republicans to remove their President from office.
Imagine how he'll act in January 2021
House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, who earlier this week accused the Senate of a cover-up for not issuing subpoenas to the administration, today accused Trump of acting like a dictator for ignoring lawmakers.
“He does not have to respect the Congress," the New York Democrat said of Trump's thinking. "He does not have to respect the representatives of the people. Only his will goes. He is a dictator. This must not stand."
If Nadler thinks Trump is overbold now, wait until he is acquitted. And then, maybe, reelected.
John Dean, the Watergate-era Nixon aide, made an interesting point about this Thursday on CNN: "I have the most trouble, not if he gets away with this, but if he gets reelected, we have a president who is unchecked, unchecked, and our democracy has changed dramatically."
This is bigger than US politics
Before Nadler's declaration that Trump is a dictator, Schiff had spent hours talking about the importance of the US in the world and the danger of Russia, Ukraine's neighbor.
He talked about the nuclear arsenal Ukraine inherited when the Soviet Union fell. He talked about the importance of containing countries like Russia, which was not afraid to invade Ukraine. He talked about the hot war in Ukraine and the importance of NATO and the fact that the peace in Europe has been maintained by strategic alliances. And he argued that Trump is more interested in his own political survival than any of that.
People throw around the notion that the US is a model of democracy for the world. Schiff's argument went into great detail to drive it home and pushed the idea that Trump's actions in Ukraine, emboldening Russia and making US allies question American reliability, is as damaging as the imbalance the President has caused in the domestic balance of power.
New tape released of Trump bad-mouthing Yovanovitch -- in 2018
Trump was captured on tape at a 2018 dinner with Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman -- the former Rudy Giuliani associates who were recently indicted on campaign finance charges (read that document here) -- demanding the firing of Marie Yovanovitch, who was then the US ambassador to Ukraine, according to an attorney for Parnas. (CNN has not reviewed the tape.)
"Get rid of her!" a voice appearing to belong to Trump says on the recording, according to ABC News, which on Friday first reported its existence. "Get her out tomorrow. I don't care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. OK? Do it."
Pompeo blows up at reporter over Ukraine
When an NPR reporter asked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo about his lack of support for Yovanovitch, it did not go well.
During the interview, Pompeo said he had defended State Department employees. But Mary Louise Kelly asked specifically where he had defended Yovanovitch, who conservatives had pressured Trump to fire and who, it appears, had been under surveillance of some kind by associates one step removed from the President's lawyer.
Pompeo had no answer. He later blew up at Kelly, hurling expletives at her in his office, according to NPR. And he asked her to point out Ukraine on an unmarked map, which she did.
A ghost in the Senate chamber
There was a striking moment today when Schiff brought an old voice back into the chamber as he talked about the threat posed by Russia. He played video of Sen. John McCain of Arizona, Trump's Republican nemesis and a great foe of Russia, who died in 2018.
It was a reminder of how much the party has evolved with Trump as its standard-bearer.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, who was McCain’s best friend in the Senate but has lately evolved into Trump's defender, looked up toward the ceiling for a moment as the clip came to an end. When it was over, the South Carolina Republican folded his hands and returned his gaze to Schiff, according to CNN's Lauren Fox.
The latest on witnesses
After Trump's defenders have their say and senators have an opportunity to ask written questions, it will be time for the senators to consider calling additional witnesses. The White House has not cooperated with the inquiry, so there are plenty of potential targets.
The final words Democrats uttered in their opening arguments were about witnesses.
"Give America a fair trial. She's worth it," Schiff said.
It's not clear if Senate Democrats will get the four Republican votes they would need to side with them in favor of witnesses.
"It’s not the Senate’s job to clean up after what the House did," White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said Friday on Fox News, opposing witnesses.
Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the Senate Democratic leader, took the opposing view.
"The bottom line: We're seeking the truth at a momentous time in the American republic. It is on the shoulders of four Republican senators to join us in demanding it. We've made the argument forcefully," Schumer said.
Time for Trump's defense
Trump's lawyer Jay Sekulow previewed the President's defense, which will kick off Saturday, starting at 10 a.m. and on an abbreviated schedule for the weekend. They'll lean into Hunter Biden and bring up the infamous dossier.

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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Bongalong » 30 Jan 2020, 18:37

karlrand wrote:
Aussie wrote:
"It’s not the Senate’s job to clean up after what the House did," White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said Friday on Fox News, opposing witnesses.


This is bullshit. The WH causes the problem (with-holding documents and ordering witnesses to ignore subpoenas) so then when the matter gets to the Senate, it says it is not the Senate's job to sort it out.

Rubbish. It is the job of CONGRESS to get to the truth and ensure that every relevant document is produced and every relevant witness gives evidence.

It is NOT the job of CONGRESS to be stonewalling for Trump.

Traditionally is hasn’t been but the US constitution, as we are now learning, if full of holes you can drive the entire Republican Party through. My feeling is we are seeing here is a group of politicians who underneath don’t have any firm moral convictions other than ‘We are born to rule and stuff the rest of you’.



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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Bongalong » 30 Jan 2020, 18:39

karlrand wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:
karlrand wrote:
Dax wrote:
karlrand wrote:I haven’t dredged through every thread in this section but it appears complete boredom with the US Impeachment process has set in. Fair enough, it’s all been very tedious and predictable BUT given the possibility Trump will get off this time and may be re-elected we need to ask what the implications are in having an unhinged and unleashed dictator in the Whitehouse. I suggest it’s no exaggeration to suspect we may see the death of democracy in the US given it’s been on it’s knees since Trump first ascended the Whitehouse throne.


The USA is no different to other countries, politically, ideologically, social and ecologically. So there is no argument as to it being any more relevant to any other form of political corruption sweeping the planet and it all involves ideologies and in particular, god nutters. Rump is just another crazed ideologue, no different to any country or state leader and if people just sat back, snapped out of their zombie approach to the future and looked at the reality of the political world. They'd soon see the truth and maybe make some changes in their approach to the future.

How is the Rump any different to Moronison, or the deranged Johnston or Macron, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu. They are all corrupt and it's the same around the planet, the only decent ones if there are any, are rare and mostly get dumbed down but the system. The Rump has the bigger and more guns than anyone else at the moment, so he fluffs his feathers and struts round like the king with no clothes and everyone can see he's a waste of space, but they just put on their rose coloured glasses and lock out reality.

To my mind, there are more pressing political discussions that could be discussed, rather than the collapse of a society, when our own is following close behind.

Our wonderful governments have put our capabilities of surviving decades backwards. Same with global warming, same with health, same with everything. The Rump is a brainless drop kick, he will start a war, his ego just couldn't stand not believing he can do it any time he wants and will to prove the USA is back.

You can't moralise about war, it's the act of trying to kill, take over and destroy at any cost other than the leaders and ideological elites. To claim killing a combatant one way is immoral and yet another way is moral, is pathetic. In war it's kill or be killed and anything goes to save yours and others lives. It has always included the slaughter of non combatants, that's a tactic used by all sides in every war through out history and it will never change.

A great deal to agree with here but can we please just pause for a moment and look outside of the usual suspects of ideology, religion and power and spend a little time contemplating ourselves as a species and whether or not we deserve to survive.
And why can’t we moralise about war? Are such actions amoral?


Religion ideology and power are one and the same thing, if there were no fanciful belief systems, there wouldn't be the problems we have today. All our problems revolve around religion and other fantasy beliefs and those in power are also religious.

Except communists but then they don't count... :purple

About time we arrived at an agreed definition of what communism is. Neither Russis nor China easily fit my definition. Both have profoundly disturbing aspects of a form of government I can only call gangster run ‘ state’ capitalism pretending to be socialist.

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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Chuck » 30 Jan 2020, 23:27

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Religion ideology and power are one and the same thing, if there were no fanciful belief systems, there wouldn't be the problems we have today. All our problems revolve around religion and other fantasy beliefs and those in power are also religious.
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I’ve struck all races in the following endeavour, including what others would consider as innocuous behaviour in the business world.

Trying to convince Union members to see the management point of view, using poor financial reports without divulging that their competitors are in a worse state, as an example.

The art of manipulation of the masses Is a subset of what we term as negotiations!

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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby pinkeye » 31 Jan 2020, 01:09

Well, just to limit it a bit...

I say Putin is an arch criminal, indisputably,

THE TOP of the Chain of Oligarchs, those that make the most of this MOST CRIMINAL of NATIONS. Is very sad....

They export their criminals all over the world.... this is undeniable.

AND DAX..? there is NOTHING RELIGIOUS about it.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Dax » 31 Jan 2020, 04:40

pinkeye wrote:Well, just to limit it a bit...

I say Putin is an arch criminal, indisputably,

THE TOP of the Chain of Oligarchs, those that make the most of this MOST CRIMINAL of NATIONS. Is very sad....

They export their criminals all over the world.... this is undeniable.

AND DAX..? there is NOTHING RELIGIOUS about it.


Religion, communism, socialism, capitalism, democracy, totalitarianism, monarchy are all ideologies, ideologies are religion as they are belief systems which are fanciful. There is no difference between the oligarchs and western ultra rich, they are all criminals who rip off everyone, destroy the land and society, just to increase their profit margins using whatever methods they can, legal or illegal.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 31 Jan 2020, 06:24

Dax wrote:
pinkeye wrote:Well, just to limit it a bit...

I say Putin is an arch criminal, indisputably,

THE TOP of the Chain of Oligarchs, those that make the most of this MOST CRIMINAL of NATIONS. Is very sad....

They export their criminals all over the world.... this is undeniable.

AND DAX..? there is NOTHING RELIGIOUS about it.


Religion, communism, socialism, capitalism, democracy, totalitarianism, monarchy are all ideologies, ideologies are religion as they are belief systems which are fanciful. There is no difference between the oligarchs and western ultra rich, they are all criminals who rip off everyone, destroy the land and society, just to increase their profit margins using whatever methods they can, legal or illegal.

It's fine pointing out what is wrong with the world...
Really how do you suggest we change as a people ?
Besides killing 99% of the people and Stopping all religious belief, really these things just wont happen.
Maybe some realistic alternative to how we are living...
Just like it's fine saying we all should stay at home and not travel anywhere, the reality is it wont happen unless there is alternatives and incentives not to.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby hatty » 31 Jan 2020, 07:08

i shall not invoke godwin's law seth

doesn't make trump any less of a stupid and horrible human being though does it?
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 31 Jan 2020, 07:19

hatty wrote:i shall not invoke godwin's law seth

doesn't make trump any less of a stupid and horrible human being though does it?

Had to look it up... There should be another law that a conspiracy will pop up too :) :purple
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Dax » 31 Jan 2020, 10:36

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:
pinkeye wrote:Well, just to limit it a bit...

I say Putin is an arch criminal, indisputably,

THE TOP of the Chain of Oligarchs, those that make the most of this MOST CRIMINAL of NATIONS. Is very sad....

They export their criminals all over the world.... this is undeniable.

AND DAX..? there is NOTHING RELIGIOUS about it.


Religion, communism, socialism, capitalism, democracy, totalitarianism, monarchy are all ideologies, ideologies are religion as they are belief systems which are fanciful. There is no difference between the oligarchs and western ultra rich, they are all criminals who rip off everyone, destroy the land and society, just to increase their profit margins using whatever methods they can, legal or illegal.

It's fine pointing out what is wrong with the world...
Really how do you suggest we change as a people ?
Besides killing 99% of the people and Stopping all religious belief, really these things just wont happen.
Maybe some realistic alternative to how we are living...
Just like it's fine saying we all should stay at home and not travel anywhere, the reality is it wont happen unless there is alternatives and incentives not to.
Most idea's are great until people are involved.... :purple


To late to change and no one will anyway. If people were inclined to change they would've done it 2 decades ago at least. But everyone like you is just sitting round going, well tell us how to change and we will think about it, yet have pointed out in many posts how society and people could and should change. No good repeating oneself over and over to many times, because no one listened the first time and just ran me down. So they will never listen until reality rolls over them and they get buried into the past.

If everyone lived close to the way I do, we wouldn't have this problem and would already have stopped using fossil fuels and changed to electric and replenishable eco friendly seed oils. The biggest start would be to stop eating animals, stop using diary products, subsidise farmers to grow seed oils for biodegradable eco friendly plastics and lubricants. We'd stop giving big companies subsidies to the tune of over 3.5 billion dollars a year to reduce their fuel costs and increase profit margins. We'd also have introduced preventative medicine, more electric public transport instead of more toll roads and tunnels. We'd have started our own electric transport industry and thrown all that money given to multinationals into better ways. We'd also stop all immigration and send all those students and most others who have come here and stayed over the last two decades back to their own shit holes, otherwise we are doomed completely with absolutely no way out. We'd also ban all cosmetics, because they all come from fossil oils, are polluting and environmentally destructive. They cause lots of future health problems for the brain dead idiots that smear their putrid smelling bodies with them in a pathetic attempt to cover their disgusting smells.

The solutions are simple, but it takes the people to make the changes first, governments will do nothing but maintain the status quo of their vested interests and ideological insanity. That won't happen, just look at this forum, lots of claims of humanitarianism and denial of reality as they think it makes them look cool and refuse to give up the food products that are destroying the planet, like junk takeaway and processed foods. Then they run me down for demanding they change or go to hell where all clones who expect someone else to change for them will end up.

Great laugh on the clones and their insane denial and irresponsibility for their foot print on the planet. So the end result will more than likely be, 99% of humans removed and as more than 95% of humans live in urban areas. They will be the first to go, as the coronavirus is just the beginning of the unstoppable viruses that will sweep the planet over the next few years. Urban areas are prime incubators of viruses, disease and pestilence.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 31 Jan 2020, 11:05

If we just ignore the insults some good points there Dax

Dax wrote:If everyone lived close to the way I do, we wouldn't have this problem and would already have stopped using fossil fuels and changed to electric and replenishable eco friendly seed oils. The biggest start would be to stop eating animals, stop using diary products, subsidise farmers to grow seed oils for biodegradable eco friendly plastics and lubricants. We'd stop giving big companies subsidies to the tune of over 3.5 billion dollars a year to reduce their fuel costs and increase profit margins. We'd also have introduced preventative medicine, more electric public transport instead of more toll roads and tunnels. We'd have started our own electric transport industry and thrown all that money given to multinationals into better ways. We'd also stop all immigration and send all those students and most others who have come here and stayed over the last two decades back to their own shit holes, otherwise we are doomed completely with absolutely no way out. We'd also ban all cosmetics, because they all come from fossil oils, are polluting and environmentally destructive. They cause lots of future health problems for the brain dead idiots that smear their putrid smelling bodies with them in a pathetic attempt to cover their disgusting smells.The solutions are simple, but it takes the people to make the changes first, governments will do nothing but maintain the status quo of their vested interests and ideological insanity.


Dax wrote:So the end result will more than likely be, 99% of humans removed and as more than 95% of humans live in urban areas. They will be the first to go, as the coronavirus is just the beginning of the unstoppable viruses that will sweep the planet over the next few years. Urban areas are prime incubators of viruses, disease and pestilence.


The rest of the post really has nothing to do with me, Dax you know nothing of my life and how I live or what I eat, I cant speak of anyone else on this forum though.
I guess you pride wont let you see that your projections on how we live are wrong.. Hey arrogance is a deadly spiral though..

Now onto your points...

Yes Corporations not Capitalism are our greatest threat, a bunch of mini governments with no accountability at all... They will always be self serving , profits before humanity every time...

Some people no matter what the evidence shows will just keep living their lives the same way....
Most need stress to change and in large settlements it's very easy to not notice the changes around you...
There is much change that is happening for the better and we have to focus on that.
You have embraced along with many others all is not right with the world and have researched and adopted much new technology and old wisdom to make the world a better place... As you say if you can do it then others can as well. You do sound like you get frustrated with people, we can only make change by our own behaviours.
Just remember Honey is sweeter than Vinegar though.... :purple
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Dax » 31 Jan 2020, 11:39

DonDeeHippy wrote:If we just ignore the insults some good points there Dax

Dax wrote:If everyone lived close to the way I do, we wouldn't have this problem and would already have stopped using fossil fuels and changed to electric and replenishable eco friendly seed oils. The biggest start would be to stop eating animals, stop using diary products, subsidise farmers to grow seed oils for biodegradable eco friendly plastics and lubricants. We'd stop giving big companies subsidies to the tune of over 3.5 billion dollars a year to reduce their fuel costs and increase profit margins. We'd also have introduced preventative medicine, more electric public transport instead of more toll roads and tunnels. We'd have started our own electric transport industry and thrown all that money given to multinationals into better ways. We'd also stop all immigration and send all those students and most others who have come here and stayed over the last two decades back to their own shit holes, otherwise we are doomed completely with absolutely no way out. We'd also ban all cosmetics, because they all come from fossil oils, are polluting and environmentally destructive. They cause lots of future health problems for the brain dead idiots that smear their putrid smelling bodies with them in a pathetic attempt to cover their disgusting smells.The solutions are simple, but it takes the people to make the changes first, governments will do nothing but maintain the status quo of their vested interests and ideological insanity.


Dax wrote:So the end result will more than likely be, 99% of humans removed and as more than 95% of humans live in urban areas. They will be the first to go, as the coronavirus is just the beginning of the unstoppable viruses that will sweep the planet over the next few years. Urban areas are prime incubators of viruses, disease and pestilence.


The rest of the post really has nothing to do with me, Dax you know nothing of my life and how I live or what I eat, I cant speak of anyone else on this forum though.
I guess you pride wont let you see that your projections on how we live are wrong.. Hey arrogance is a deadly spiral though..

Now onto your points...

Yes Corporations not Capitalism are our greatest threat, a bunch of mini governments with no accountability at all... They will always be self serving , profits before humanity every time...

Some people no matter what the evidence shows will just keep living their lives the same way....
Most need stress to change and in large settlements it's very easy to not notice the changes around you...
There is much change that is happening for the better and we have to focus on that.
You have embraced along with many others all is not right with the world and have researched and adopted much new technology and old wisdom to make the world a better place... As you say if you can do it then others can as well. You do sound like you get frustrated with people, we can only make change by our own behaviours.
Just remember Honey is sweeter than Vinegar though.... :purple


You must have a guilty conscience, don't believe anything was directly pointed at you. People only react with denail, when they feel confronted by their true reality.

What changes are being made for the better by the majority, none that I can see in any way that will make a useful difference.

How are my predictions of how people live is wrong, when you look at the environmental destruction ecological collapse, along with the surrounding facts.

Capitalism is corporatisation of society, they call it rationalisation and competition. Hows that working for the future. :rofl IT's all well and good trying to shut the gate when all the horses have bolted and can;t be returned to their natural paddock, which has been burnt, had it's water given away for profit growth and all it's vegetation removed to graze cloven hoofed animals.

Get frustrated with people, as I see native life and the land dying, some of my ancestors kept it pristine for over 50000 years. Then god nutters came along and not only tried to destroy the keepers of the land, but the land itself and it's taken just 200 years to achieve their aim of almost total destruction.

Show me the beneficial changes occurring that will change the current situation to the one here before the ideological god nutter genocidal invasion.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 31 Jan 2020, 11:59

Dax wrote:You must have a guilty conscience, don't believe anything was directly pointed at you. People only react with denail, when they feel confronted by their true reality.


No Dax No guilty conscience and you do directly insult us with almost every post....

(I did write a whole bunch of insults until I realized I was playing your game , so I deleted them)

Actually fuck it Dax if you cant be civil in your posts I'll just not answer.... your choice, you might think that's a good thing and you have won, not really my problem :)
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Dax » 31 Jan 2020, 12:08

Hilarious, now you can't provide any evidence of the "beneficial changes " you run away and claim being insulted. To me it's very insulting to the planet the way you lot run your lives and do nothing, you can't provide anything different, just more and more denial.

You insult yourselves by the way you do nothing about the future, yet denounce those who do and take you to task about your nothingness approach, other then more of the same. Don't answer me, join the line up of denialists who refuse to be confronted, even when they are destroying the future.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Chuck » 31 Jan 2020, 12:27

If everyone lived close to the way I do, we wouldn't have this problem and would already have stopped using fossil fuels and changed to electric and replenishable eco friendly seed oils. The biggest start would be to stop eating animals, stop using diary products, subsidise farmers to grow seed oils for biodegradable eco friendly plastics and lubricants.

Biodegradable experiment for fuel has been carried out previously, with the poorer members of society suffering from starvation in South America countries.

Food producing farms were overtaken by crops for ethanol to save our environment.

Humans are tribal and don’t give a stuff if others are suffering for that tribes consumption.

The following also happened also in S America when the Japanese bought large numbers of farms to supply the Japanese market. The locals couldn’t afford the fruit and veggies because it caused inflation on these produces.

I might consider voting for the Greens if they’re serious about controlling polluting the environmental.

Get them to arrange protests at Coles or Woollies stores for the removal of disposable nappies!
This crap should be a prescribed item or employee’s producing evidence that they’re going or are on vacation.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Dax » 31 Jan 2020, 15:09

Chuck wrote:If everyone lived close to the way I do, we wouldn't have this problem and would already have stopped using fossil fuels and changed to electric and replenishable eco friendly seed oils. The biggest start would be to stop eating animals, stop using diary products, subsidise farmers to grow seed oils for biodegradable eco friendly plastics and lubricants.

Biodegradable experiment for fuel has been carried out previously, with the poorer members of society suffering from starvation in South America countries.

Food producing farms were overtaken by crops for ethanol to save our environment.

Humans are tribal and don’t give a stuff if others are suffering for that tribes consumption.

The following also happened also in S America when the Japanese bought large numbers of farms to supply the Japanese market. The locals couldn’t afford the fruit and veggies because it caused inflation on these produces.

I might consider voting for the Greens if they’re serious about controlling polluting the environmental.

Get them to arrange protests at Coles or Woollies stores for the removal of disposable nappies!
This crap should be a prescribed item or employee’s producing evidence that they’re going or are on vacation.


Don't make comments about things you don't have a clue about, it just reveals your ignorance. If you had the brain capacity, you'd do your research before jumping on the delusionary bandwagon clones always try to use to make an irrelevant and stupid point.

Been running all my vehicles machinery etc on seed oils for decades, no one would go hungry, as it would give farmers a new and sustainable future which wouldn't impact on other areas of production. Using seed oils in vehicles and machinery reduces bad emissions by over 80%, it doesn't reduce carbon dioxide though and should be just a transitional fuel until all vehicles and machinery are electric. Then the oils could be used to make plastics, and other useful fibres that are environmentally friendly and they don't burn like fossil oil plastics and other products do.

What has ethanol to do with seed oils, ethanol is just another way for fuel monopolies to be maintained along with costly fuels. Real seed oil production takes nothing away from current farming, it enhances it greatly and as it is, the seed oils produced today, go into deep fryers and junk food production, then they put the waste oils into cattle feed, further contaminating people foods. :rofl

They grow the worst oil producing plants, that require land that could producer decent foods. When they should be using seed plants that produce large amounts of usable oils and don't damage the environment. One of the biggest producers of oil, is classified as a weed and can be grown on just about any ground, it produces over 50% usable oil, using very little water, compared to cotton seed oil and canola, which produce less than 30% oil and has to grown on top food growing land, using huge amounts of water. The high oil plant is wild radish and there are other so called weeds and plants that produce even more oil, yet use very little water.

We should replace cotton with hemp, then we'd save billions and give long term security to the farming sector and produce more usable oils, medicines and materials. Don't know about other areas of Aus, but Tas imports over 1 billion dollars of diesel fuel into Tas each year. if we grew seed oils to replace diesel not only would we save over 1 billion dollars a year which goes out of our island for good, but develop farming and environmentally friendly new industries.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Chuck » 31 Jan 2020, 21:52

Dax wrote: Don't make comments about things you don't have a clue about, it just reveals your ignorance. If you had the brain capacity, you'd do your research before jumping on the delusionary bandwagon clones always try to use to make an irrelevant and stupid point.
When are u joining the Diplomatic Corp?

I was simply pointing out, that the last time a vegetation was used as an alternative product or as an additive to oil products.
What was the outcome that happened to farmers and the local community when big corporations got involved.

Ur intentions might be admirable but the big corporations buyers might simply bypass ur product if they can source it cheaper elsewhere.
Cheapness is the mantra of the business world, the consequences is irrelevant to them unless they are forced to become good corporate citizens.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby pinkeye » 01 Feb 2020, 01:15

Dax wrote:Hilarious, now you can't provide any evidence of the "beneficial changes " you run away and claim being insulted. To me it's very insulting to the planet the way you lot run your lives and do nothing, you can't provide anything different, just more and more denial.

You insult yourselves by the way you do nothing about the future, yet denounce those who do and take you to task about your nothingness approach, other then more of the same. Don't answer me, join the line up of denialists who refuse to be confronted, even when they are destroying the future.


Just remember Honey is sweeter than Vinegar though....

It is true, this. I actually enjoy your posts.. they are often on-topic.. :roll Sorry. I mean you KNOW what you are talking about..
ummm but ...

you can't force people to change. I mean YOU can't...…..BUT Mother Nature.. this magnificent thing we are able to live on....

SHE WILL.!

Fools that live in the belief that humans are the greatest thing on Earth are really going to suffer... when their homes are flooded or burned to the ground.
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Re: New Topic? Again?

Postby Dax » 01 Feb 2020, 05:26

Never try to make people change, just like to make them squirm by reminding them of the facts, ways around the problems. I know very few will do anything about the world situation, they have no answers and even we given them, they still deny the reality byt their approach to life or the solutions.

What all clones want is for the status quo to continue with no change to their lives, you can see that here. They complain, then reject and logical sensible alternative presented to them and make up all the excuse they can as to why it won't work and why they shouldn't change until everyone else does. If it doesn't fit with clones simply denialist programming, they reject it instantly and continue complaining.
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