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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 24 Jan 2020, 09:10

johnsmith wrote:
chris155au wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote: but I've seen nothing to convince me outright that the current warming is caused entirely by humans.


I don't believe anyone credible has ever said otherwise.


Oh, so you disagree with the IPCC then, which said in its 2014 Fifth Assessment Report that, "it is extremely LIKELY that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century." Now, do you somehow interpret that as, it is 100% CERTAIN that human influence has been the ONLY cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century?



let me know when you learn the difference between 'likely that human influence has been the dominant' and 'caused entirely by humans'.


WTF? If I didn't know what the difference between them was, then why the hell would I have contrasted them?
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby johnsmith » 24 Jan 2020, 16:32

chris155au wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
chris155au wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote: but I've seen nothing to convince me outright that the current warming is caused entirely by humans.


I don't believe anyone credible has ever said otherwise.


Oh, so you disagree with the IPCC then, which said in its 2014 Fifth Assessment Report that, "it is extremely LIKELY that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century." Now, do you somehow interpret that as, it is 100% CERTAIN that human influence has been the ONLY cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century?



let me know when you learn the difference between 'likely that human influence has been the dominant' and 'caused entirely by humans'.


WTF? If I didn't know what the difference between them was, then why the hell would I have contrasted them?


no one who understands the meanings of those statements would ever claim they say the same thing. :grn
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jan 2020, 17:20

A scientist never says: this causes that.

Especially in a field involving weather which is an incredibly noisy record, so probability and statistics are used. To show something is very likely caused by some variable we use a confidence test, testing to 10%, 5%, 1% etc.

Another way of looking at it is how many standard deviations a result is from the sampling mean. A standard designation is sigma. Five sigma is 99.5% sure to be correct. (Suggest you read up about the Standard Distribution and Standard Deviation.)

However, politicians are just lawyers sick of hustling for money and they wouldn’t understand, so the language is couched in terms a lawyer, with coaching from his staff, can understand.

Because two natural and one anthropogenic factor are cooling the earth which is nevertheless still warming AGW is 5sigma likely to cause over 100% of warming, again something a lawyer can’t understand. Poor things actually argue by analogy, tut tut.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby Chuck » 24 Jan 2020, 19:56

HBS Guy wrote:A scientist never says: this causes that.

Especially in a field involving weather which is an incredibly noisy record, so probability and statistics are used. To show something is very likely caused by some variable we use a confidence test, testing to 10%, 5%, 1% etc.

Another way of looking at it is how many standard deviations a result is from the sampling mean. A standard designation is sigma. Five sigma is 99.5% sure to be correct. (Suggest you read up about the Standard Distribution and Standard Deviation.)

However, politicians are just lawyers sick of hustling for money and they wouldn’t understand, so the language is couched in terms a lawyer, with coaching from his staff, can understand.

Because two natural and one anthropogenic factor are cooling the earth which is nevertheless still warming AGW is 5sigma likely to cause over 100% of warming, again something a lawyer can’t understand. Poor things actually argue by analogy, tut tut.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 25 Jan 2020, 21:08

johnsmith wrote:no one who understands the meanings of those statements would ever claim they say the same thing. :grn


WTF? When did I "claim they say the same thing?"
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 25 Jan 2020, 21:20

HBS Guy wrote:A scientist never says: this causes that.


Oh really? So a scientist wouldn't say that gravity causes objects to pull to the ground?

Because two natural and one anthropogenic factor are cooling the earth which is nevertheless still warming AGW is 5sigma likely to cause over 100% of warming, again something a lawyer can’t understand. Poor things actually argue by analogy, tut tut.


Then why doesn't the IPCC say that AGW is "likely to cause over 100% of warming?"
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Jan 2020, 22:15

That is not what a scientists would say, nope.

IPCC is talking to POLITICIANS most of whom used to be LAWYERS!
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 04 Feb 2020, 18:32

HBS Guy wrote:A scientist never says: this causes that.


chris155au wrote:Oh really? So a scientist wouldn't say that gravity causes objects to pull to the ground


HBS Guy wrote:That is not what a scientists would say, nope.


Except that gravity causes objects to fall to the ground! :rofl

HBS Guy wrote:IPCC is talking to POLITICIANS most of whom used to be LAWYERS!


And why the hell does that mean that the IPCC cannot say that AGW is "likely to cause over 100% of warming?"
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby Bongalong » 04 Feb 2020, 18:46

Chris sends minions to war.... but not the majority :bgrin
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 07 Feb 2020, 14:20

Bongalong wrote:Chris sends minions to war.... but not the majority :bgrin

What the hell are you talking about?
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby karlrand » 07 Feb 2020, 14:24

Some time ago I realised there’s simply no point in arguing with those irrational enough to deny climate change.
However, at times I fantasise about sticking their heads in an oven for a day or two.
They won’t see reason until and unless they’re cooked alive.
The dangerous irony of all this is their political pull will put off actions needed to survive as a species thus
proving them wrong. Too late though.
Not even new age mystical crystal gazing wankers are as anti-science.
The irony here is I suspect deniers are fighting a delayed reaction against the whole new age hippie movement.
Then there’s mindless tribalism/nationalism/militarism/ideology to consider. Any and all of these have the power to kill us all.
If it wasn’t for the wonder of that arts, architecture, literateventually get to spew out into other galaxies to impose our
mindless priorities as intergalactic colonisers.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 07 Feb 2020, 14:39

karlrand wrote:Some time ago I realised there’s simply no point in arguing with those irrational enough to deny climate change.


Except that literally nobody denies climate change.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby Chuck » 07 Feb 2020, 17:24

chris155au wrote:
karlrand wrote:Some time ago I realised there’s simply no point in arguing with those irrational enough to deny climate change.


Except that literally nobody denies climate change.
Some people seem to call anyone as Climate Change deniers, even if these people believe that climate changes is a natural cycle.

When I asked for the reasons for the Sahara turning into a desert or the 50 year drought for Mayan's, no explanation was forthcoming.

Throw in the legend within many civilisation about the great flood in their folklore. Were they guilty of melting the poles?

Many people question the science, in case it turns out like the Y2K fiasco, an expensive joke!

Instead of badgering the people into submission they need to change their tack by ensuring the transition to renewables doesn’t harm us economically.

If these people were serious they would be protesting at the embassies or Consulates mentioned in my previous posts.

I belong to a camp that believes in "Prudence’s Avoidance" - another Chuckie's mantra - if any of the evidences is questionable. Simply assume that it is possibly correct and take precautions not to put yourself into harms way.

As an example, if u believe that electromagnetism can possibly effect cells, don’t put your child’s cot next to the switch board etc
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby karlrand » 07 Feb 2020, 19:14

chris155au wrote:
karlrand wrote:Some time ago I realised there’s simply no point in arguing with those irrational enough to deny climate change.


Except that literally nobody denies climate change.

Some day you must tell us which planet you live on. It’s not this one.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby HBS Guy » 07 Feb 2020, 19:20

I deal with deniers everyday on Twitter.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby pinkeye » 07 Feb 2020, 22:05

Isn't there a song//// Waste of Space.....

if there isn't there should be

this topic is dead HBS GUY... unless you like arguing about nothing for fun..!! :roll
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby karlrand » 08 Feb 2020, 06:16

HBS Guy wrote:I deal with deniers everyday on Twitter.

I’m half way through this tome whose subject is the industry that’s sprung up around a number of denials.
We can legitimately call it ’The Denial Industry’. It started with tobacco decades ago and continues it’s evil work.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586- ... 5-44700717
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 11 Feb 2020, 17:02

HBS Guy wrote:I deal with deniers everyday on Twitter.


Well you certainly haven't been capable of dealing with the question of why the IPCC doesn't say that AGW is "likely to cause over 100% of warming." You dodged it like you do with most other challenges which come your way from me!
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby johnsmith » 11 Feb 2020, 18:58

chris155au wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:I deal with deniers everyday on Twitter.


Well you certainly haven't been capable of dealing with the question of why the IPCC doesn't say that AGW is "likely to cause over 100% of warming." You dodged it like you do with most other challenges which come your way from me!



why would they say that? :grn :grn
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 11 Feb 2020, 19:17

johnsmith wrote:
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why would they say that? :grn :grn


Well according to HBS Guy, it's true. He said, "because two natural and one anthropogenic factor are cooling the earth which is nevertheless still warming AGW is 5sigma likely to cause over 100% of warming."
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby johnsmith » 11 Feb 2020, 19:28

chris155au wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
chris155au wrote:
why would they say that? :grn :grn


Well according to HBS Guy, it's true. He said, "because two natural and one anthropogenic factor are cooling the earth which is nevertheless still warming AGW is 5sigma likely to cause over 100% of warming."



so your arguing that something, be it natural or anthropogenic, other than warming is causing warming.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby HBS Guy » 11 Feb 2020, 19:44

I explained the part of the IPCC reports that are read is the Advice to Policy Makers—politicians meaning lawyers meaning the numerically challenged.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 11 Feb 2020, 21:21

HBS Guy wrote:I explained the part of the IPCC reports that are read is the Advice to Policy Makers—politicians meaning lawyers meaning the numerically challenged.

Sorry, all politicians are lawyers? What the fuck are you even talking about?
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby HBS Guy » 12 Feb 2020, 01:18

Only AGW matters.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 12 Feb 2020, 10:55

HBS Guy wrote:Only AGW matters.

What is this in response to?
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