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Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate change!

Postby chris155au » 22 Jan 2020, 11:01

Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby DonDeeHippy » 22 Jan 2020, 11:29

chris155au wrote:Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?

Ahh so what is the biggest cause of climate change ? :purple
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby greggerypeccary » 22 Jan 2020, 11:34

DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?

Ahh so what is the biggest cause of climate change ? :purple


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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby DonDeeHippy » 22 Jan 2020, 11:41

He should of said burning and extraction of coal is responsible for destroying our land and destroying lives and general wellbeing of all living things... :purple
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 22 Jan 2020, 11:47

DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?

Ahh so what is the biggest cause of climate change ? :purple

That would be Mother Nature.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby chris155au » 22 Jan 2020, 11:48

DonDeeHippy wrote:He should of said burning and extraction of coal is responsible for destroying our land and destroying lives and general wellbeing of all living things... :purple

Yeah, but he didn't though. And even then he would've been overstating it. How does it "DESTROY" all of those things?
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby DonDeeHippy » 22 Jan 2020, 12:15

chris155au wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:He should of said burning and extraction of coal is responsible for destroying our land and destroying lives and general wellbeing of all living things... :purple

Yeah, but he didn't though. And even then he would've been overstating it. How does it "DESTROY" all of those things?

The poisons given off from Burning Fossil fuels.... go on prove they don't...…
Find one study of the land around a coal power station that does no damage to the land and us...
If you really want I can find dozen that show it does...
The massive Ash dams from Burning coal do irreparable dameges not only to where it is dumped but also to where the poisions can and do seep through the ground....


I guess before we go further if your convinced what man does doesn't effect the earth and burning fossil fuels don't hurt us or our land then I wont converse any more … about as pointless as trying to convert a Christian or Muslin their beliefs are wrong...
If you are in this category please find a nice little garage and sit in your car while it's running for a few hours then tell us the results :)
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby DonDeeHippy » 22 Jan 2020, 12:17

chris155au wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?

Ahh so what is the biggest cause of climate change ? :purple

That would be Mother Nature.

If you believe we cant prove man is changing the Environment , how do you think you can prove Nature does ? :purple
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby greggerypeccary » 22 Jan 2020, 12:29

DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?

Ahh so what is the biggest cause of climate change ? :purple

That would be Mother Nature.

If you believe we cant prove man is changing the Environment , how do you think you can prove Nature does ? :purple


The climate changed before man was ever on Earth.
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Postby DonDeeHippy » 22 Jan 2020, 12:38

greggerypeccary wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?

Ahh so what is the biggest cause of climate change ? :purple

That would be Mother Nature.

If you believe we cant prove man is changing the Environment , how do you think you can prove Nature does ? :purple


The climate changed before man was ever on Earth.

Yes but science says in the last few decades from man doing so much world changing that the temperate has risen 1-2 degrees..
those against science have said it's just nature.
I say let either side prove what they are saying :)
Even if Fossil fuel burning isn't changing the environment it is definitely poisoning us and our land....
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Postby greggerypeccary » 22 Jan 2020, 12:40

"Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth

"The new analysis shows that while meat and dairy provide just 18% of calories and 37% of protein, it uses the vast majority – 83% – of farmland and produces 60% of agriculture’s greenhouse gas emissions."
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby greggerypeccary » 22 Jan 2020, 12:42

DonDeeHippy wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?

Ahh so what is the biggest cause of climate change ? :purple

That would be Mother Nature.

If you believe we cant prove man is changing the Environment , how do you think you can prove Nature does ? :purple


The climate changed before man was ever on Earth.

Yes but science says in the last few decades from man doing so much world changing that the temperate has risen 1-2 degrees..
those against science have said it's just nature.
I say let either side prove what they are saying :)
Even if Fossil fuel burning isn't changing the environment it is definitely poisoning us and our land....


Did the climate change before humans existed? Yes.

So, what caused it to change?

And yes, even if fossil fuel burning isn't changing the environment it is definitely poisoning us and our land - I agree.
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Re: Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale LIES about climate chan

Postby DonDeeHippy » 22 Jan 2020, 12:52

greggerypeccary wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?
Ahh so what is the biggest cause of climate change ? :purple
That would be Mother Nature.

If you believe we cant prove man is changing the Environment , how do you think you can prove Nature does ? :purple


The climate changed before man was ever on Earth.

Yes but science says in the last few decades from man doing so much world changing that the temperate has risen 1-2 degrees..
those against science have said it's just nature.
I say let either side prove what they are saying :)
Even if Fossil fuel burning isn't changing the environment it is definitely poisoning us and our land....


Did the climate change before humans existed?

That is not the question...
Has climate change in the last few decades been from Man and it's ever growing industry or has it been a natural phenomena.

I think it's still to complex to answer.. lots of models around and guessing

The fossil fuel industry makes about 20 billion AUD a DAY !!!
Those that stand to loose a lot of money and power if we stop burning fossil fuels are mudding the waters and rightly so for them as it's survival (like the old tobacco companies)...
Unfortunately for us mere mortals it makes it very hard to know the truth....

We all know in the past the climate has changed on the earth..

What we don't seam to know if in the last few decades the climate change has been man made or Natural... :purple
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Postby greggerypeccary » 22 Jan 2020, 12:56

DonDeeHippy wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:Dishonest HACK Richard Di Natale says that COAL is the "single biggest cause of climate change!" :rofl
At the 1:22 minute mark in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzOhlyK2TA
How does this utter FRAUD think that he can get away with saying such blatant untruths?
Ahh so what is the biggest cause of climate change ? :purple
That would be Mother Nature.

If you believe we cant prove man is changing the Environment , how do you think you can prove Nature does ? :purple


The climate changed before man was ever on Earth.

Yes but science says in the last few decades from man doing so much world changing that the temperate has risen 1-2 degrees..
those against science have said it's just nature.
I say let either side prove what they are saying :)
Even if Fossil fuel burning isn't changing the environment it is definitely poisoning us and our land....


Did the climate change before humans existed?


Has climate change in the last few decades been from Man and it's ever growing industry or has it been a natural phenomena.

I think it's still to complex to answer.. lots of models around and guessing

The fossil fuel industry makes about 20 billion AUD a DAY !!!
Those that stand to loose a lot of money and power if we stop burning fossil fuels are muddying the waters and rightly so for them as it's survival (like the old tobacco companies)...
Unfortunately for us mere mortals it makes it very hard to know the truth....

We all know in the past the climate has changed on the earth..

What we don't seam to know if in the last few decades the climate change has been man made or Natural... :purple


Yes, I agree on all points.

And although we don't know, I see no problem in erring on the side of caution.
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Postby DonDeeHippy » 22 Jan 2020, 13:02

Yes and we do know burning fossil fuels harm us and our land.
Just look at smog in big cites, ash dams, health stats of those close to immersive FF burning.

The improvements and cost lowering of renewable energy should at the least give us pause on the effects of burning this great resource... :purple
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Postby HBS Guy » 22 Jan 2020, 13:30

We know the CO2 from burning fossil fuels is causing AGW. Look at the IR spectrum at top of atmosphere:
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Postby HBS Guy » 22 Jan 2020, 13:32

We can see the big void where IR at CO2 absorption wavelengths is missing. That energy stays in the atmosphere longer before finally exiting at much longer wavelengths.
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Postby HBS Guy » 22 Jan 2020, 13:42

We can do a mass analysis and isotopic analysis to show the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere that is our emissions less the bit less than half that is absorbed by biomass and the oceans. There is no real doubt that our emissions are warming the atmosphere, the surface and the oceans.

We know ice is retreating, the Arctic is warming despite the Milankovitch Cycle decreasing means less solar insolation north of 65°N and despite the sun being a bit quiet. The Arctic is 2.4°C warmer than normal and sea ice extent, volume and thickness is at record lows. As well as that the permafrost is thawing and glaciers are retreating. The Antarctic is losing huge amounts of net ice each year and the Thwaites glacier is going to let go any time now.

“The climate changed before” is such a wet argument. Yes, changes to ocean currents can cause regional climates to change. Over the last 20 million years the warm periods have been caused by CO2 at levels about the same as now—and sea levels 9 (Eemian) or 40 metres higher than now (Miocene.)

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Postby chris155au » 22 Jan 2020, 14:47

HBS Guy wrote:We know the CO2 from burning fossil fuels is causing AGW. Look at the IR spectrum at top of atmosphere:


Di Natale didn't say "AGW." He said "CLIMATE CHANGE." But you knew that and are just making excuses for him.
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Postby greggerypeccary » 22 Jan 2020, 14:55

chris155au wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:We know the CO2 from burning fossil fuels is causing AGW. Look at the IR spectrum at top of atmosphere:


Di Natale didn't say "AGW." He said "CLIMATE CHANGE." But you knew that and are just making excuses for him.


That's one of the things that annoys me about the whole debate.

The use of 'climate change' and 'AGW' as interchangeable terms.

It's similar to using 'asylum seeker' and 'refugee' as interchangeable terms.
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Postby Dax » 22 Jan 2020, 15:10

The single biggest and only cause of the current climate change, is humans and nothing else. No good blaming coal or oil, it's humans that search for extract and use these useless destructive products and nothing else. Coal or oil doesn't just pop out of the ground and burn, Di Natale is just another typical ideologue, doesn't; have clue, is over educated and just as big a problem as moronison and disablanesse .
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Postby chris155au » 22 Jan 2020, 15:20

greggerypeccary wrote:
chris155au wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:We know the CO2 from burning fossil fuels is causing AGW. Look at the IR spectrum at top of atmosphere:


Di Natale didn't say "AGW." He said "CLIMATE CHANGE." But you knew that and are just making excuses for him.


That's one of the things that annoys me about the whole debate.

The use of 'climate change' and 'AGW' as interchangeable terms.

It's similar to using 'asylum seeker' and 'refugee' as interchangeable terms.


Yeah, but the average person doesn't know what "AGW" is. However, GREENIE Di Natale knows perfectly well about these sort of scientific terms. So when he uses "climate change" instead of "AGW", it's totally unacceptable because certain gullible people will think that because he's a greenie he knows what he is talking about regarding the environment. I think he knew what he was doing, which was deliberately misleading the public.
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Postby chris155au » 22 Jan 2020, 15:26

Dax wrote:The single biggest and only cause of the current climate change, is humans and nothing else.


Climate change or AGW?

No good blaming coal or oil, it's humans that search for extract and use these useless destructive products and nothing else. Coal or oil doesn't just pop out of the ground and burn, Di Natale is just another typical ideologue, doesn't; have clue, is over educated and just as big a problem as moronison and disablanesse .


To be fair to Di Natale, he isn't saying that coal just "pops out of the ground and burns."
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Postby Dax » 23 Jan 2020, 08:11

chris155au wrote:
Dax wrote:The single biggest and only cause of the current climate change, is humans and nothing else.


Climate change or AGW?

No good blaming coal or oil, it's humans that search for extract and use these useless destructive products and nothing else. Coal or oil doesn't just pop out of the ground and burn, Di Natale is just another typical ideologue, doesn't; have clue, is over educated and just as big a problem as moronison and disablanesse .


To be fair to Di Natale, he isn't saying that coal just "pops out of the ground and burns."


Trying to use semantics to make a non point, is like using the bible to try to prove god exists, both hilariously ignorant. There is no difference between global warming and climate change, they complement and drive each other.

The greens are just as corrupt, deranged and useless, they have nothing to add to the future of any worth. Being all urbanites, is enough evidence to show they are part of the problem and can never be the cure in any way.
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Postby greggerypeccary » 23 Jan 2020, 10:26

Dax wrote: There is no difference between global warming and climate change...


There's a huge difference.

Climate change can mean warming OR cooling.

Moreover, there's natural warming and warming caused by human activity (AGW).

Climate change, global warming, global cooling, and AGW are not interchangeable terms.
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