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Libs - no agenda

Postby johnsmith » 22 Jun 2019, 07:42

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton only managed to get three words into a substantive interview on Insiders last weekend before he started talking about the Opposition.

The question was about who had leaked classified documents from his portfolio. But his answer was all about how Anthony Albanese was only asking questions about the leak because he was trying to distract everyone from Labor's problems.

This would have to rate somewhere between "marvellous" and "magnificent" on the irony-o-meter, since the only thing anyone in the Government seems to want to talk about at the moment, particularly this week, is the Opposition.

You know? The mob that actually lost the election, not the mob who won it and who are supposed to be springing into action with plans to lead the country forward.

The main topics this week have been the Government's planned tax cuts, the imminent collapse (according to Mr Dutton) of Australia's migration regime as a result of a Federal Court decision about the legislation on medical evacuations from Nauru and Manus Island, and the ongoing battle over the future in the Labor Party and the trade union movement of union official John Setka.

The political mechanics of this are worth noting: on both tax cuts and medevac, the Government's strategy is to try to ramp up the political pressure on Labor — rather than the crossbench — on the issues it wants to press when Parliament returns.

This is despite the fact the crossbench has now become much easier for it to deal with: the Government's done better in the Senate than expected and only needs four out of six crossbench votes for any particular piece of legislation.

This is hardly impossible given two of those votes are One Nation and one is Cory Bernardi (in whatever guise he takes after his just-announced deregistration of his political party).

But if you are a government elected unexpectedly and with no real agenda, it seems your only real option is to try to define yourself by what your opposition does or doesn't do.

You've got to hope — perhaps rashly — that these habits of politicking are just a hangover from the election campaign and the Coalition's internal difficulties before this, and that it will knuckle down to the task of actually running the joint at some point soon.
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It is not necessarily well equipped to do this. The desperate straits the Coalition was in before the election, and the widespread expectation that it would lose, meant the Government lost a lot of experienced staff before the campaign and a lot of inexperienced staff got promoted into positions they might not otherwise have.

Equally, we are still yet to see whether the re-elected Government can really do what Prime Minister Scott Morrison says and focus on issues that matter to voters, not invest time in conducting ideological fatwas that are of little interest to voters.

It really needs to able to shake off these staffing and ideological impediments if it is going go deal with what confronts it.

Sure, there are the obvious issues like energy policy and meeting its commitment to surplus in a floundering economy.

But there are also the bigger issues that have been left exposed by the federal election.

One of them is housing. The election result has revealed how much both the politics and economics of the housing market have changed in recent decades.

In the days when governments set interest rates — and for decades after they deregulated those rates — interest rates generally were primarily discussed in politics in terms of what they meant for home owners, and particularly for first home buyers.

It was a tired cliche which ran too long. For example, retirees relying on fixed interest incomes certainly didn't think lower interest rates were better.

Even a sustained period of historic low interest rates seems to have had difficulty cutting through this mindset in much of the media's coverage of interest rates.

Negative gearing now political poison

Yet think about how Labor set up its case for changes to negative gearing of established properties as an intergenerational equity issue, designed to help young people into the housing market. And think about the election result and its interpretation.

Whatever the realities of why people voted for the Government, Labor or, significantly, the minor parties who determined the final result, the outcome has been seen as a rejection of Labor's negative gearing and franking credit policies.

That has broader implications than the obvious one that no-one is going to have another go at negative gearing in the short term, or that it will represent a significant drag on government coffers as a result.

The political message that comes out of that reading of the result is that the negative gearers — investors — are now at least as important in the politics of housing as first home buyers, and that they will need continuing appeasement.

That's not just depressing if you are a young person wondering whether you can ever afford a home, but has massive implications for the future role of housing in our economy.

As a nation of home buyers, we have always been seen as over-investors in housing. The confirmation of the holy writ political status of the negative gearer only increases that trend.

Economists have lamented the focus on housing investment by Australians — rather than more productive investments — for decades and various shifts in policy have been designed with the hope of easing it: changes to capital gains tax and the introduction of compulsory superannuation being two of them.

But instead, we have gone the other way and doubled up.

That is not just a pity for investment, but a real constraint on the efficacy of economic policy levers.

We have so much debt tied up in housing that changes in interest rates don't necessarily work the way they once did.
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The options for trying to stimulate the economy are equally challenged.

Reserve Bank Governor Phil Lowe reflected earlier this year on some of the dynamics in the housing market, observing that when the market was rising, "the rigidities on the supply side, coupled with investors' desire to benefit from a rising market in a low-interest-rate environment, amplified the price increases".

Which leaves the question of whether price decreases are also amplified.

He also noted housing prices affect consumer spending, directly and via the so-called "wealth effect", by affecting small business's access to loans through the impact house prices have on collateral.

The dilemma for governments now is that Australia's love affair with housing gives us a very unbalanced national portfolio of investments and a whole lot of equity issues.

Dealing with that though, if you can't find a way of incorporating it into an attack on your political foes, may well be beyond the scope of our politicians.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-22/morrison-government-playing-political-dodgeball-housing-economy/11234766



this article highlights just how useless the libs are. Now that they won the election and are in office again, they have no idea what to do.

Keep in mind the article is written by Laura Tingle, a lib supporter.
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby HBS Guy » 22 Jun 2019, 07:52

The clueless clowns were talking just about the Opposition before the election too.

scummo—an ad man with a pocketful of slogans and no idea how to make them a reality. (New Daily)

He better do something soon! The states are bleeding cash with the collapse of the real estate boom—and that won’t be picking up any time soon! All they can think of is tax cuts for the rich and achieving a surplus—and a surplus is totally the wrong thing Budget setting now.
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby johnsmith » 22 Jun 2019, 17:28

HBS Guy wrote:with the collapse of the real estate boom


that's hype. There will be no collapse.
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Postby HBS Guy » 22 Jun 2019, 18:48

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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby johnsmith » 22 Jun 2019, 21:13

HBS Guy wrote:Already collapsed.


rubbish ...don't believe all the hype. There is an adjustment in some areas, sure. Unit prices in Sydney and Melb. are down, but anything with house and land is pretty stable and still heading north in some areas. Prices are up in my area.
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby pinkeye » 22 Jun 2019, 22:50

Let's not get sidetracked. The Libs under Morrison is a Vacuum.

I can just imagine the Monty Pythonish gathering of Ministers.. :roll

So OK who has an idea..? …….. anyone??…………..

………... speak up.. we 're supposed to run this Country..!! So what are we going to do..?? ANYONE.??
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby HBS Guy » 23 Jun 2019, 09:27

They were like this before the election. Dutton better challenge soon then a couple Libs might defect, the crossbench get some brains and courage maybe.

Real estate bust will not improve anytime soon—prices are down in every capital city and for house and land and units. Wages growth remains flat that means consumption remains flat. Iron ore exports dropping. The RBA will cut more but none of that is an accelerator. Quantitative easing does not boost demand. My little mortgage (under $2K now) is at 4.14% but my saving account now pays less interest—where is a pick up in demand coming from? Not tax cuts, they will be squirreled away and are not stimulatory in any case.

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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby greggerypeccary » 23 Jun 2019, 09:35

pinkeye wrote:Let's not get sidetracked. The Libs under Morrison is a Vacuum.

I can just imagine the Monty Pythonish gathering of Ministers.. :roll

So OK who has an idea..? …….. anyone??…………..

………... speak up.. we 're supposed to run this Country..!! So what are we going to do..?? ANYONE.??


"I know, we can attack Labor in parliament". :?
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby Julia » 23 Jun 2019, 13:13

Well Labor is such a joke now with the God Person Setka ripping into the Albo schoolboy, then what else is there to talk about but this ridiculous pantomime ?

But the question on every observer's mind is, "Did Shorty organize all this to try to regain the "leadership" and keep Labor in OPPOSITION for the next 30 years ?"

So while Labor organizes Play School the real strong determined capable competent Lib Govt is running Australia up the flagpole to greatness and prosperity for all.
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby johnsmith » 23 Jun 2019, 14:22

Julia wrote:Well Labor is such a joke now with the God Person Setka ripping into the Albo schoolboy, then what else is there to talk about but this ridiculous pantomime ?


how about talking about their plans ... labor lost. They need to move on now to governing the country.
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Postby Julia » 23 Jun 2019, 14:38

But Mr Smith Labor has NO plans!!

They just rename Sensible Labor junk policies and then call them their own.

The Greenies have the Albo schoolboy by the throat because the Greenies wold control the SENATE and would therefore control LABOR and that is why Labor kow tows to the Greenies all the time.

So Albo is the puppet of the Unions PLUS the Greenies!!!!

The utter rubbish Shorty went to the election with and got him chucked into the garbage bin was nearly all renamed Sensible Labor junk policies with a bit of absurd Whitlamesque rubbish thrown in.

The biggest joke of all was Labor making the FATAL MISTAKE of holding themselves up for ridicule by rabbiting on about the Greenies' CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM which most people now know is just fabricated rubbish.
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby johnsmith » 23 Jun 2019, 15:02

Julia wrote:But Mr Smith Labor has NO plans!!


But labors not in govt. They have another 3 years to come up with some new plans.

The libs however are in govt. and have no idea what to do now, let alone in 3 years time.
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Postby Dax » 23 Jun 2019, 15:17

The liberals have the same agenda as labor, nothing of worth for the future and just more of the same failure over and over.

Wonder if the cones will ever wake up to the reality of our political system and do something about it, if that day comes, it will be years to late. as usual when dealing with clones.
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Postby HBS Guy » 23 Jun 2019, 15:20

Julia wrote:But Mr Smith Labor has NO plans!!

They just rename Sensible Labor junk policies and then call them their own.

The Greenies have the Albo schoolboy by the throat because the Greenies wold control the SENATE and would therefore control LABOR and that is why Labor kow tows to the Greenies all the time.

So Albo is the puppet of the Unions PLUS the Greenies!!!!

The utter rubbish Shorty went to the election with and got him chucked into the garbage bin was nearly all renamed Sensible Labor junk policies with a bit of absurd Whitlamesque rubbish thrown in.

The biggest joke of all was Labor making the FATAL MISTAKE of holding themselves up for ridicule by rabbiting on about the Greenies' CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM which most people now know is just fabricated rubbish.


I want to see much better posts than this rubbish, and soon. This shit may fly in OzPol but I expect decent standards of debate.

WHAT are the braindead Libs going to DO, YouLiar?
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby Julia » 24 Jun 2019, 11:48

Munky everybody knows you are totally hooked on the Sensible Labor Propaganda stuff and refuse to even consider anything else.

Your tendency to try to rubbish or delete anything no matter how correct is a clear warning sign of your condition.

Albo IS the puppet of the unions and the Greenies - that is simple FACT.

Labor has lost its reason for being as the recent election clearly showed as the mindless copying of Whitlamesque stuff put up by Labor was empty and barren.

The unions have almost no members anymore and are trying to change to a corporate entity feeding on Industrial super and the unions control Labor.
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Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jun 2019, 16:34

What are the Libs going to DO, YouLiar?

They are causing a recession ATM, by sheer incompetence. They gonna do anything about that you think? (Do you think? Real cause for doubt there.)

Then there is energy policy, we are soon (within a decade) going to be short several gigawatts of power. The retarded Libs gonna get a policy together? Would not bet on it, they are just conflicted and incompetent.

So we are going to run out of power and we will have a recession. Meantime, we had the hottest ever summer last summer, over the whole continent—I got whinged to heaps in Tas last April about the hot summer. Old people, the young die if it gets too hot. As coal fired generators close and more and more load shedding is done to spread the available power around old people won’t be able to run airconditioners and a lot of old people will die. What are the idiotic, incompetent and divided Libs going to do?

Just tell me what they are going to do, YouLiar, any nonsense post will be deleted.
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby Julia » 24 Jun 2019, 18:11

Oh Munky anything that is not Sensible Labor Propaganda will be deleted.

Sort of like the Greenies' policy of banning free speech.

But Munky you are talking thru your hat as Tassy has mainly hydro power except when it doesn't rain.

Are the Greenies going to empty the dams ?

Libs are already stopping the blatant ripping off occurring particularly in Sth Aust where the private operators only offer power at inflated rates when the wind stops.
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jun 2019, 18:15

Care to answer the question, dickhead?
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby Julia » 24 Jun 2019, 18:26

Oh Munky the insults are disgraceful. Are you getting rattled as your Sensible Labor Propaganda world collapses ?

The Libs are proposing to fix up old coal power stations to keep supplying cheap endless energy.

Wind and solar has proved to be a failure as nobody can control the sun and wind.

Snowy 2 will be up and running relatively soon and it is supplied by surplus hydro power at night.

The absurd thing about solar and wind is that there is not enough suitable land to build the many many many thousands of solar and wind farms required to RELIABLY produce the SAME POWER OUTPUT as the coal generators effortlessly do day and night.

So Labor's Sensible Labor policy of 50% renewables was just pure fantasy and was strongly rejected by the wised up voters.

No doubt you will delete this as it clashes with your Sensible Labor propaganda fantasy.
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby johnsmith » 24 Jun 2019, 19:38

Julia wrote:The Libs are proposing to fix up old coal power stations to keep supplying cheap endless energy.


the same power stations the owners say are finished and they won't be spending money on? :grn
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Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jun 2019, 19:54

That is only for Liddel, I think. Would cost trillions of dollars to keep patching beyond-end-of-life power stations. Be bloody dangerous to work there—bursting boilers, splitting high pressure steam pipelines etc etc.

Clearly—the Libs have nothing realistic to offer in the field of energy.

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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jun 2019, 20:48

Another policy are needing MUCH work, and the fuckup is entirely the Libs, is the NBN:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-promised-you-dollars-you-promised-me-internet-a-tale-of-nbn-woe-20190620-p51zlt.html
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jun 2019, 20:51

Something else handballed to the states by a comatose government:

The federal government has ruled out using federal-state funding agreements to force hospitals to deliver more publicly funded terminations and says states have primary responsibility for abortion services.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/too-hard-too-controversial-government-urged-to-put-abortion-strategy-into-practice-20190620-p51zo2.html
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jun 2019, 21:00

Greg Jericho –

The government has been lying about the strength of the economy – its lack of policy is hurting us

One of the more amusing things this week was the government and their conservative cheerleaders try to suggest ALP backbencher Anne Aly saying on Sky News she was after more information about the Liberal Party’s proposed tax cuts because “what about the fact that our economy is now in a recession, or it looks like it is going into a recession?”

The Australian in its cute partisan manner described it as a “car crash” interview, and the finance minister Matthias Cormann suggested it was “recklessly irresponsible and wrong and they show that Labor has learnt absolutely nothing from the recent election outcome”.

Actually they are neither of those things at all.

As Aly then continued to say in her interview “it’s very obvious that the economy is not doing as well as the government would have believe. You have figures out of the RBA, you’ve got the interest rate coming down again.”

And it seems the only ones who do not find that obvious are the members of the government – mostly because they spent the entirety of the election campaign lying about the strength of the economy’s fundamentals


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2019/jun/23/the-government-has-been-lying-about-the-strength-of-the-economy-its-lack-of-policy-is-hurting-us
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Re: Libs - no agenda

Postby DonDeeHippy » 25 Jun 2019, 08:21

Yes I agree with Laura Tingle , I'm sick of hearing about Labor from the Libs, we won the election lets just get on with it..... We govern, and let the opposition do their job, we don't need to do both.... :purple
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