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Re: ADANI- l'lephantin the ..

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jun 2019, 16:18

Julia wrote:So what ? The Climate has been changing for thousands of years. At one time during a period of global cooling the Thames was frozen. At another time during a period of global warming Greenland was quite temperate.

Munky your Sensible Labor PROPAGANDA is wearing a bit thin.

If your Sensible Labor propaganda was true then why was Labor chucked into the rubbish tin when they tries it on ?

Bet you delete this rather than try to answer it in Sensible Labor propaganda speak.

Climate only changes in response to forcings.

Right now the forcings are for cooling—yet we are warming. Obviously, anthropogenic forcings, CO2, are stronger than natural forcings including solar variations. Mining, transporting and burning the low quality Galilee Basin coal will increase atmospheric and oceanic CO2, causing more warming and more acidification of the oceans. All for very little economic benefit to Australia.
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Postby pinkeye » 24 Jun 2019, 23:23

Julia wrote:Oh Munky what about that insult ???? Tsk Tsk!! Fortunately insults don't bother me at all as you would already know as insults are like water on a duck's back to me.

Don't these Sensible Labor types get all worked up ? And they are all chasing a fictional fabricated myth. The UN AGENDA 2030 One World Government.

SC India won't get all that coal for nothing. They have to pay for it to boost Australia's export income coffers which pays for Socialist services instead of stealing money from people through extremely high taxes like Labor was going to do.


That is so blah blah blah blah.. it's nonsensical.. just like so many views held...by idiots like you. :bgrin

Blah Blah Blah Blah.. that is ALL you say Liar. Blah Blah Blah.

Of course, there are morons that live for BLaH BLAH BLAH… :roll
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Postby DonDeeHippy » 25 Jun 2019, 08:08

Global warming or not, when you burn coal or really any fossil fuel it poisons us , our air and our land. It has to stop..... :purple
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Re: ADANI- l'lephantin the ..

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Jun 2019, 16:30

Content-free post by YouLiar deleted.

Guess he is exceptionally thick and other means might be needed to get some manners and sensible debate from him.
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Postby pinkeye » 26 Jun 2019, 23:46

more blah blah blah ..no doubt. :thumb
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Postby HBS Guy » 27 Jun 2019, 09:19

Yeah. i was tired of that when I was posting on OzPol.

I want some reasonable manners and debate, no matter how robust, without [too much] name calling. Vacuous dribble would make me want to reach for my gun were I American :roll :bgrin
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Postby HBS Guy » 27 Jun 2019, 19:45

Vacuous drivel deleted.
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Postby Julia » 04 Jul 2019, 17:12

Munky is busy deleting anything that conflicts with his ideology. Why is he so afraid of open discussion ?

The election showed Labor and the Greenies are very much out of favor with the enlightened voters so just wallowing in Labor and Greenie stuff is self defeating.

Bet Munky deletes this.

Isn't it weird how Munky changes Gr e e n y to sensible ? Talk about self doubts.
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Postby HBS Guy » 04 Jul 2019, 19:00

I am not a Green and detest the Greens Party as neolib sellouts.

We will see how the electorate feels in 12 months when the economy is in recession, eh? And it will be in recession—just read the comments of the RBA Governor, assuming you know what the RBA is.
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Postby Julia » 05 Jul 2019, 11:23

Munky I am disappointed you have not deleted my sacrilegious blasphemous posts. Are you getting soft ?

By the time the recession might happen ADANI will be churning out millions of tonnes of coal and sending it to India earning lots of export dollars which will save Australia from any recession.

You recall just like exports of iron ore and coal and gas to China saved Australia from the GFC.

You must be pleased with Jacqui Lambie after she scored a nice deal for Tassie in exchange for her Senate Vote for the Tax cuts.

A recession doesn't just occur in Australia as it is a result of world conditions as Australia is heavily dependent on money earned from exports.

The crucial China USA trade negotiation are vital for Australia and fortunately ScoMo is right in Trump's pocket.

With each favorable rumor from these trade talks our stock exchange rises nicely.

Will Trump get the World Peace Prize for bringing Nth Korea in from the cold ?
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Postby DonDeeHippy » 05 Jul 2019, 12:29

Julia wrote:Munky I am disappointed you have not deleted my sacrilegious blasphemous posts. Are you getting soft ?

By the time the recession might happen ADANI will be churning out millions of tonnes of coal and sending it to India earning lots of export dollars which will save Australia from any recession.

You recall just like exports of iron ore and coal and gas to China saved Australia from the GFC.

You must be pleased with Jacqui Lambie after she scored a nice deal for Tassie in exchange for her Senate Vote for the Tax cuts.

A recession doesn't just occur in Australia as it is a result of world conditions as Australia is heavily dependent on money earned from exports.

The crucial China USA trade negotiation are vital for Australia and fortunately ScoMo is right in Trump's pocket.

With each favorable rumor from these trade talks our stock exchange rises nicely.

Will Trump get the World Peace Prize for bringing Nth Korea in from the cold ?

So a indian company will be sending our coal to India... how are we making money off of that ? :purple
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Postby hatty » 05 Jul 2019, 12:33

the way i see it......

Julia openly condones or is able to ignore human rights abuses.

yeah let's snuggle up to north fucking korea....... yay human rights abuses FTW!

kindred spirits much donald and scomo ?

just to support a spiteful pussy grabbing billionaire and lying god bothering bully.

forgive me if i don't buy
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Re: ADANI- l'lephantin the ..

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Jul 2019, 13:55

Julia wrote:Vacuous drivel deleted

By the time the recession might happen ADANI will be churning out millions of tonnes of coal and sending it to India earning lots of export dollars which will save Australia from any recession.

You recall just like exports of iron ore and coal and gas to China saved Australia from the GFC.


Takes longer than that to build a mine, dickhead.

It was the Labor stimulus saved the economy: there were thousands of unemployed miners in 2008. What Labor did was excellent and our economy performed about the best of all economies. Months later the Chinese started a stimulus package and that helped our miners.

You must be pleased with Jacqui Lambie after she scored a nice deal for Tassie in exchange for her Senate Vote for the Tax cuts.

Lambi is an idiot and the Tas Treasury will be lucky if the write off of the social housing debt actually happens. Don’t hold your breath.

A recession doesn't just occur in Australia as it is a result of world conditions as Australia is heavily dependent on money earned from exports.

Bullshit. The Libs are creating a recession here irrespective of overseas economic conditions. They will have no idea how to act. Australia dodged a bullet in electing the Rudd Labor govt, Howard and Costello would have fucked up the response big time. If the Libs REALLY cock things as I think they will at least one Big4 bank and 2-3 second tier banks will go bankrupt, unemployment will skyrocket to 10%

The crucial China USA trade negotiation are vital for Australia and fortunately ScoMo is right in Trump's pocket—the Libs have form with 10% unemployment!

With each favorable rumor from these trade talks our stock exchange rises nicely.

Will Trump get the World Peace Prize for bringing Nth Korea in from the cold ?


Trumpy is a fuckwit and scummo a total incompetent. Fuck knows what will result but I doubt it will be good.
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Re: ADANI- l'lephantin the ..

Postby Chuck » 08 Jul 2019, 20:51

Currently, the only argument against Adani is that they have been accused of being environmental vandals in India and I believe that there are court cases still going on.

Whatever man does on this planet has consequences!

The fanatical Greenies are reluctant to transition to alternative power source at an affordable rate for the community. There is this crazy perception that coal fired power stations aren’t making any effort to keep getting cleaner.

Solar farms have a larger foot print then coal fired power station.
Many of these current solar farms are situated on arable land which should be a no-no. If you are serious about the environment- solar should be restricted to roof tops.

Disposal of solar panels could be a future issue.

Wind farms are having an effect on ground temperatures beside creating noise pollution and killing wild life. People claim that it causes health problems living these wind farms.

Scientists accept that climate change is ongoing, the question is the amount that mankind is totally responsible for the speed of change. Some scientists are suggesting that the change is due to the earth tilting. The North Pole isn’t in the same position as in 1880.

In this situation when you aren’t sure of the cause, you should practice what I term 'prudent avoidance' and minimise what you believe is contributing to the changes.

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Postby Chuck » 08 Jul 2019, 21:03

There seems to be a difference of opinion amongst scientists whether the tilting of Earth has an affect on climate changes. Some argue it the movement of the Earth plates that has greater effect then the melting of the icecap.

This study was interesting in that when we started doing the spectral analysis, the 41,000-year tilt cycle started showing up in the Tropics. That’s not supposed to be there. That’s not what the textbooks tell us,” DeLong said.

It appears that the tilting of the Earth has caused the demise of previous civilisation.

This finding shows that the tilt of the Earth plays a much larger part in ITCZ migration than previously thought, which will enable climate scientists to better predict extreme weather events.

Historically, the collapse of the Mayan civilization and several Chinese dynasties have been linked to persistent droughts associated with the ITCZ. This new information is critical to understanding global climate and sustainable human socioeconomic development, the researchers said.

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Re: ADANI- l'lephantin the ..

Postby Julia » 08 Jul 2019, 21:55

Chuck you are a breath of fresh air telling it so like it really is. Congratulations.

No doubt Munky will quickly delete all this sacrilegious blasphemy.

The other absurdity of the solar + wind thing is that there is NOT ENOUGH SUITABLE LAND to build the many many many thousands of farms required to RELIABLY PRODUCE THE SAME OUTPUT AS THE COAL STATIONS DO EFFORTLESSLY DAY AND NIGHT.

The Greenies NEVER mention that one of course.
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Postby pinkeye » 09 Jul 2019, 01:10

Julia wrote:Chuck you are a breath of fresh air telling it so like it really is. Congratulations.

No doubt Munky will quickly delete all this sacrilegious blasphemy.

The other absurdity of the solar + wind thing is that there is NOT ENOUGH SUITABLE LAND to build the many many many thousands of farms required to RELIABLY PRODUCE THE SAME OUTPUT AS THE COAL STATIONS DO EFFORTLESSLY DAY AND NIGHT.

The Greenies NEVER mention that one of course.


What? So, you obviously live in a city. You haven't got a clue.

NOT ENOUGH SUITABLE LAND.!?? :bgrin :bgrin :bike
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Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jul 2019, 04:42

Arable land is expensive and in rainy areas, doubt many solar farms there.
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Postby DonDeeHippy » 09 Jul 2019, 09:09

just the coal power station near me is on 40 square kilometres of land, the coal mine next to is on 20 square kilometres.. No farms no agricultures, if just this land was used it would be enough to power QLD, I don't know where this myth that solar will take up land comes from, as the panels are not to close to each other they usually have flocks of sheep grazing under them, as it's cattle country here if they raised the panels another half a metre, Cattle could graze under the panels and the added shade make the grass grow better..
Of course the huge Ash dam here while being able to have solar panels on top of it will be to toxic for hundreds of years before any thing living can go near it

In Europe they get 97% back from recycling Solar panels including all the rare earth bits, the other 3% is lost in heat... So no old Solar panels wont be a problem..... And no where near the problem of Ash Dams :purple
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Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jul 2019, 09:48

Ash dams are a problem for decades at least after the coal mine is closed. A real problem in rehabilitating sites.
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Postby Chuck » 09 Jul 2019, 12:22

HBS Guy wrote:Arable land is expensive and in rainy areas, doubt many solar farms there.


If my recollection is correct, how AGL was bragging about recently connecting to the grid a solar farm in QLD, which is situated on arable land close to an urban area. It isn’t in my financial interest to be running down a company that I’ve have shares in.

Most solar farms are near urban area due to line losses which makes then financial non-viable. If they need to be so close to the load demand, put them on the roofs of housing and factories.

What some posters forget is that the nature of arable land usage could change, from being crop producing to allowing only sheep and goats to graze. I haven’t see any solar farms in my travels where cattle could graze under them.

Even before solar became fashionable, I always wonder why good crop producing land was sold for residential properties.

My parents and I where never involved with farming, so subliminal I do care about the environment but with a different modus operandi then the fanatical greenie posters on this site.

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Postby Chuck » 09 Jul 2019, 12:27

HBS Guy wrote:Ash dams are a problem for decades at least after the coal mine is closed. A real problem in rehabilitating sites.


What cannot be recycled is being pumped into disused underground coal mines to prevent further subsiding of residential properties. That is just one example of rehabilitating a disused underground or open cut mine.

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Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jul 2019, 14:19

You have no idea about mines, do you? Think coal mines are in impermeable rock, no faults? The ash would find its way into underground water.

Pollution aside, burning coal for power releases CO2 (and lots other nasties incl more radioactives than a nuke power plant) and that causes more AGW and more ocean acidification. Coal fired generators also make people around them sick and cause deaths from respiratory diseases. No, coals time has been and gone.

No, solar will be the main power source within my lifetime—and I am 72. Wind, hydro and nuclear will bridge the gap.

The transmission losses can be minimised by using ultra high voltage DC lines.
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Postby Chuck » 09 Jul 2019, 16:30

HBS Guy wrote:You have no idea about mines, do you? Think coal mines are in impermeable rock, no faults? The ash would find its way into underground water.

Like I mentioned previously, whatever mankind does, has consequence!

Pumping ash into old underground mine has been trialled near where I live, it was the cost factor which made it not economically unviable.

Even hydro has consequences on the environment- their footprints on the land and silting is an issue etc.

HBS Guy wrote:No, solar will be the main power source within my lifetime.....The transmission losses can be minimised by using ultra high voltage DC lines.

Then you better get on to AGL or ur local Federal and State member requesting that there is no need to place these solar farm on arable land or close proximity to urban areas?

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Postby Julia » 09 Jul 2019, 16:43

What the technically absent Greenies will never understand is that solar and windy farms operate as a random statistical system.

There is NO GUARANTEE that any particular solar or windy farm will produce any output at all at a particular time. Wind stops if the wind is too weak or too strong and solar stops at night and on overcast days.

Of course some Greenie will call out but what about the backup batteries ? Except the batteries that are available are SO SMALL as to be useless in supplying any large load such as an aluminium smelter.

So to overcome the statistical unreliability of solar and windy redundancy is the ONLY SOLUTION.

So for every solar and windy farm there has to be a duplicate farm situated sufficiently far away so as to be statistically independent.

But even this will fail at some time so there has to be a third duplicate solar and windy farm located even further away.

Now the actual output of a wind or solar farm is extremely tiny compared to the huge output of a coal station and so the farm has to cover MANY MANY MANY square kilometers of treeless land and also windy land for the wind farms to come even anywhere near the output of a coal station.

So the key question is how many solar and windy farms are required to RELIABLY produce the SAME OUTPUT as the coal stations if they are to replace the coal stations ?

Now the shortage of suitable land close enough to where the electricity is actually being used starts to make sense except of course to the impractical Greenies.

Of course some impractical Greenie will call out what about the vast desert areas of inland Australia ?

The difficulty there is the distance to connect the output to any area where it is actually being used means there is too much transmission loss.

Extremely remote farms bring up the high cost of maintaining these farms. Solar needs regular cleaning to remove dust and bird droppings. Wind needs regular maintenance as it is a mechanical system.

So it is not hard to see that there would not be a single solar or windy farm without the subsidy as they are just not viable financially.

So it is easy to see why many countries around the world are relying on coal to generate their electricity.

Of course some expert will cry out what about the backup gas and diesel generators ?

This brings up the economics and explains why Sth Australia has the most expensive electricity in Australia. The difficulty is that there are now 2 separate systems required to supply the SAME amount of power which is TWICE as expensive to operate. And also the system is vastly more complex to operate.

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