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A clever tool against racism

Postby mothra » 11 Jun 2019, 02:10

How a Black Psychiatrist Shaped “Sesame Street” As a Tool Against Racism

Sesame Street is celebrating its 50th anniversary this year. The rush of stories and social posts about the iconic children’s TV show has inspired numerous stories about Muppets and cast members.

Few, however, noted the role of Dr. Chester Pierce, a psychiatrist and Harvard Medical School professor who was instrumental to the show’s early development and vision.

In 1969, Pierce signed up to be a senior adviser to Sesame Street creators Joan Ganz Cooney and Lloyd Morrisett. The founding president of the Black Psychiatrists of America, Pierce blamed television for furthering racist tropes, but also saw the medium as an opportunity to break those stereotypes, according to Undark Magazine.

Sesame Street was originally conceived as a show that would bring remedial education into the homes of disadvantaged kids. But Pierce recognized the show’s potential and pushed for it to include a multi-ethnic “neighborhood” with people of color as role models. Amid the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., and the riots spurred by racial inequity, this vision seemed especially crucial.

Radical for its time, Sesame Street presented an integrated society where everyone was treated with respect. People of color, such as Gordon, the show’s teacher, and his wife, Susan, were authority figures. That reinforcing message was as important as learning the alphabet and numbers.

“Early childhood specialists have a staggering responsibility in producing planetary citizens whose geographic and intellectual provinces are as limitless as their all-embracing humanity,” Pierce said in 1972.

Pierce fought racism his entire life, including as a Harvard undergraduate, when he became the first black student to play in a major college football game at an all-white university south of the Mason-Dixon Line, at the University of Virginia.

Pierce died in 2016, but his spirit of inclusion lives on in the most successful children’s show of all time.


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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby mothra » 11 Jun 2019, 02:19

This article really grabbed me ... and it got me thinking abot my own strong anti-racist views and what inspired them. Furthermore, those of my generation in general. I can assure you all that they did not come from my parents or my education.

As a middle-class suburbanite, i never really came across any diversity as a kid aside from a small spattering of Asians and the already accepted (although begrudgingly) other than Irish and British Europeans.

Nevertheless, i grew up fiercely anti-racist and was (and remain) genuinely horrified when i come across it.

The only black kids i ever saw were on tv but i just naturally related to them, so any thought there was difference just didn't enter my head. Sesame Street was a really big part of that and enjoyed decades later with my own children.

Now, if this isn't an argument for the diversification of popular culture, particularly to our children then i don't know what is.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby DonDeeHippy » 11 Jun 2019, 06:59

I grew up watching sesame street in the old USA, maybe it worked... :purple
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby mothra » 11 Jun 2019, 07:07

DonDeeHippy wrote:I grew up watching sesame street in the old USA, maybe it worked... :purple


Do you not think people are generally less racist now than they were 50 years ago?

Or at least, it is less socially acceptable now to be racist than it was 50 years ago?
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby DonDeeHippy » 11 Jun 2019, 08:00

mothra wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:I grew up watching sesame street in the old USA, maybe it worked... :purple


Do you not think people are generally less racist now than they were 50 years ago?

Or at least, it is less socially acceptable now to be racist than it was 50 years ago?

Just less acceptable socially, those that are not racist can voice their views easier now, those that are just have to pretend they are not , some that just don't give a dam and are just racist, I prefer the company of full blown racists that the subversive kind....

I find full racists accept my views, where the "I'm not racist but..." crowd will always try to talk me out of my views.... :purple
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby mothra » 11 Jun 2019, 08:03

DonDeeHippy wrote:
mothra wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:I grew up watching sesame street in the old USA, maybe it worked... :purple


Do you not think people are generally less racist now than they were 50 years ago?

Or at least, it is less socially acceptable now to be racist than it was 50 years ago?

Just less acceptable socially, those that are not racist can voice their views easier now, those that are just have to pretend they are not , some that just don't give a dam and are just racist, I prefer the company of full blown racists that the subversive kind....

I find full racists accept my views, where the "I'm not racist but..." crowd will always try to talk me out of my views.... :purple


So that social acceptability, do you think things like Sesame Street have had an impact

Because having reflected on it, i certainly do.

And i suppose it can be argued that the social awareness came about with a shift in collective unconscious, tipped by the shift of popular opinion.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby HBS Guy » 11 Jun 2019, 08:13

mothra wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:I grew up watching sesame street in the old USA, maybe it worked... :purple


Do you not think people are generally less racist now than they were 50 years ago?

Or at least, it is less socially acceptable now to be racist than it was 50 years ago?

Read OzPol lately?
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby mothra » 11 Jun 2019, 08:21

HBS Guy wrote:
mothra wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:I grew up watching sesame street in the old USA, maybe it worked... :purple


Do you not think people are generally less racist now than they were 50 years ago?

Or at least, it is less socially acceptable now to be racist than it was 50 years ago?

Read OzPol lately?



And how old are most of them?

And few of them would dare to say in real life what they say on there ... emboldened by the foulness of each other.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby HBS Guy » 11 Jun 2019, 08:27

I dunno how old most are, except where they have indicated their age.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby HBS Guy » 11 Jun 2019, 08:29

People learn racism tho, it is not something we are born with. So the racists/homophobes/misogynists etc on OzPol do egg each other on. So non-racism can also be taught.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby mothra » 11 Jun 2019, 08:32

HBS Guy wrote:People learn racism tho, it is not something we are born with. So the racists/homophobes/misogynists etc on OzPol do egg each other on. So non-racism can also be taught.



Oh yes. And i think the generational difference between we Xers (who grew up with Sesame Street, among other influences) and the Boomers is pronounced.

And Ozpol is choking with Boomers. The closest they ever came to diversity on telly was "Love They Neighbour", which they would titter along with.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby Dax » 11 Jun 2019, 08:59

mothra wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:I grew up watching sesame street in the old USA, maybe it worked... :purple


Do you not think people are generally less racist now than they were 50 years ago?

Or at least, it is less socially acceptable now to be racist than it was 50 years ago?


No they just cover it up to comply with political correctness and are scared to voice their views, for fear of social ridicule by the PC crowd. Racism exists because of ideologies and fear of difference, that has not changed and it never will, as long as we have ideology dividing the world.

You find lots of racism in social media, even here, there are racist overtones and the PC crowd are not exempt from those underlying fears they hold. Especially when they are faced with those differences and you can see that in their tone, mannerisms and words. They try to cover it up by claiming they are not racist and claiming others are, even when others have expressed nothing of the sort.

The PC crowd are the most elitist egocentric racists on the planet and to cover it up, they try desperately to put the racist tag on others for voicing opinions other than the insane PC delusions, which are not racist at all, just different to the PC fools deluded concepts.

Take the problem of crime in Aus, the PC crowd accuse others of racism because they want the criminals ethnicity. culture and religion exposed and the PC idiots say no these morons should be protected and stuff the growing number of victims. Yet revealing where some one originated from, what they believe in and their culture, gives society an understanding of what bringing these people into the country does to social viability and crime rates. It's a fact certain cultures and ethnicities do produce many criminals in our society on a per capita basis, because of social, cultural and religious differences.

Racism disappears when you have everyone in a society on the same page, with equality of opportunity, same language and same social approach. Multiculturalism promotes racism big time, it fractures societies, allows other cultures to force their languages, belief and cultural norms onto the larger population. This drives dissatisfaction within the normal society and pushes cultural, racist and social views of imports away for acceptance and into rejection.

We can thank the PC mob for that reality and it's the PC mob who are actually destroying our society with their insane demands. Nothing they have done has improved society, just the opposite and racism is growing strongly in this country and others, because of the insane approach of letting new comers dictate the terms of their acceptance and denying the accepted cultural and social standards that had this country as pretty safe, peaceful and at one time a diminishing crime rate.

Now the crime rate is growing rapidly, yet the PC cowards just want that reality to continue, as all ideologues, they can never see the true reality, just their deluded ideology, That's driving racism, because people see the reality in front of their eyes on the streets and in the media, yet they are refused the facts, because it's politically incorrect. So they start to blame the race of those involved, when it should be the ideology and culture involved that's blamed and the PC crowd for driving ideological wedges into our society.

Make everyone the same in social and cultural approach, and you remove racism. But the current direction is the opposite, so it will grow and no amount of denial will change that glaringly obvious fact.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby Dax » 11 Jun 2019, 09:15

mothra wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:People learn racism tho, it is not something we are born with. So the racists/homophobes/misogynists etc on OzPol do egg each other on. So non-racism can also be taught.



Oh yes. And i think the generational difference between we Xers (who grew up with Sesame Street, among other influences) and the Boomers is pronounced.

And Ozpol is choking with Boomers. The closest they ever came to diversity on telly was "Love They Neighbour", which they would titter along with.


Load of rubbish Boomers grew up in a pretty safe society, where they were not dictated to by crazed religious and ideological wankers. It was the boomers who pushed sexual and occupational equality, it was the boomers who voted for the indigenous to have a vote and be counted as Australians and it was the boomer who accepted those of other cultures who willingly became part of Aus culture.

Now they watch as the religious and PC fools destroy that society with their insane political correctness and bizarre unworkable multiculturalism. You wonder why they are pissed off with what;s happening.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby Bongalong » 11 Jun 2019, 13:32

mothra wrote:This article really grabbed me ... and it got me thinking abot my own strong anti-racist views and what inspired them. Furthermore, those of my generation in general. I can assure you all that they did not come from my parents or my education.

As a middle-class suburbanite, i never really came across any diversity as a kid aside from a small spattering of Asians and the already accepted (although begrudgingly) other than Irish and British Europeans.

Nevertheless, i grew up fiercely anti-racist and was (and remain) genuinely horrified when i come across it.

The only black kids i ever saw were on tv but i just naturally related to them, so any thought there was difference just didn't enter my head. Sesame Street was a really big part of that and enjoyed decades later with my own children.

Now, if this isn't an argument for the diversification of popular culture, particularly to our children then i don't know what is.

Yes, because some young woman felt like accepting all colours of dicks the world has to change.... AND YOU THINK AMERICA IS GIVING YOU THE NUCLEAR BUTTON :rofl
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby Bongalong » 11 Jun 2019, 13:35

HBS Guy wrote:People learn racism tho, it is not something we are born with. So the racists/homophobes/misogynists etc on OzPol do egg each other on. So non-racism can also be taught.

i THINK RACISM IS DEFINITELY TAUGHT, YES, BUT I THINK YOU ARE IGNORANT AS TO HOW INGRAINED IT IS AND WHOSE FAULT IT IS.

OVER-SIMPLICITY IS JUST OVER-SIMPLICITY.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby Bongalong » 11 Jun 2019, 13:41

DonDeeHippy wrote:
mothra wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:I grew up watching sesame street in the old USA, maybe it worked... :purple


Do you not think people are generally less racist now than they were 50 years ago?

Or at least, it is less socially acceptable now to be racist than it was 50 years ago?

Just less acceptable socially, those that are not racist can voice their views easier now, those that are just have to pretend they are not , some that just don't give a dam and are just racist, I prefer the company of full blown racists that the subversive kind....

I find full racists accept my views, where the "I'm not racist but..." crowd will always try to talk me out of my views....
:purple

It's a good point: a lot of racists have a dad who is a million times worse... the kid is just learning, like it's some kind of joke.

The mum laughs at them both of course.... always some crap about knowing where your heritage comes from and stuff,... there is some merit to it of course but extremes are extremes.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby HBS Guy » 11 Jun 2019, 16:23

Bongalong wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:People learn racism tho, it is not something we are born with. So the racists/homophobes/misogynists etc on OzPol do egg each other on. So non-racism can also be taught.

i THINK RACISM IS DEFINITELY TAUGHT, YES, BUT I THINK YOU ARE IGNORANT AS TO HOW INGRAINED IT IS AND WHOSE FAULT IT IS.

OVER-SIMPLICITY IS JUST OVER-SIMPLICITY.

Maybe simlistic.

But racism is taught so tolerance can be taught.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby johnsmith » 11 Jun 2019, 20:04

mothra wrote: The closest they ever came to diversity on telly was "Love They Neighbour", which they would titter along with.


I loved that show ... bloody hilarious. And I'm not racist, or at least I try not to be.

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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby Dax » 12 Jun 2019, 04:59

HBS Guy wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:People learn racism tho, it is not something we are born with. So the racists/homophobes/misogynists etc on OzPol do egg each other on. So non-racism can also be taught.

i THINK RACISM IS DEFINITELY TAUGHT, YES, BUT I THINK YOU ARE IGNORANT AS TO HOW INGRAINED IT IS AND WHOSE FAULT IT IS.

OVER-SIMPLICITY IS JUST OVER-SIMPLICITY.

Maybe simlistic.

But racism is taught so tolerance can be taught.


What a complete load of bullshit, racism is an ideological concept and what would you know about tolerance and racism, nothing but your egocentric elitism. Bet you've never been involved in any kind of racism or tolerance, so have no idea what you're talking about just the same as the other closet racists here who claim they aren't.

Tolerance is acceptance, it comes from understanding, everyone has it, you can't teach it, only observe it. You can't really understand racism unless you experience it first hand, it's an ideological concept and nothing more and revolves around fear of difference and ideological elitism.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby mothra » 12 Jun 2019, 09:13

Dax wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:People learn racism tho, it is not something we are born with. So the racists/homophobes/misogynists etc on OzPol do egg each other on. So non-racism can also be taught.

i THINK RACISM IS DEFINITELY TAUGHT, YES, BUT I THINK YOU ARE IGNORANT AS TO HOW INGRAINED IT IS AND WHOSE FAULT IT IS.

OVER-SIMPLICITY IS JUST OVER-SIMPLICITY.

Maybe simlistic.

But racism is taught so tolerance can be taught.


What a complete load of bullshit, racism is an ideological concept and what would you know about tolerance and racism, nothing but your egocentric elitism. Bet you've never been involved in any kind of racism or tolerance, so have no idea what you're talking about just the same as the other closet racists here who claim they aren't.

Tolerance is acceptance, it comes from understanding, everyone has it, you can't teach it, only observe it. You can't really understand racism unless you experience it first hand, it's an ideological concept and nothing more and revolves around fear of difference and ideological elitism.



Christ you spin some absolute garbage .. but it wouldn't bother me if you weren't so condescending and rude about it.

You're nobody's superior ... just so you know.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby Dax » 12 Jun 2019, 10:15

mothra wrote:
Dax wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:People learn racism tho, it is not something we are born with. So the racists/homophobes/misogynists etc on OzPol do egg each other on. So non-racism can also be taught.

i THINK RACISM IS DEFINITELY TAUGHT, YES, BUT I THINK YOU ARE IGNORANT AS TO HOW INGRAINED IT IS AND WHOSE FAULT IT IS.

OVER-SIMPLICITY IS JUST OVER-SIMPLICITY.

Maybe simlistic.

But racism is taught so tolerance can be taught.


What a complete load of bullshit, racism is an ideological concept and what would you know about tolerance and racism, nothing but your egocentric elitism. Bet you've never been involved in any kind of racism or tolerance, so have no idea what you're talking about just the same as the other closet racists here who claim they aren't.

Tolerance is acceptance, it comes from understanding, everyone has it, you can't teach it, only observe it. You can't really understand racism unless you experience it first hand, it's an ideological concept and nothing more and revolves around fear of difference and ideological elitism.



Christ you spin some absolute garbage .. but it wouldn't bother me if you weren't so condescending and rude about it.

You're nobody's superior ... just so you know.


Superior, stop looking in the mirror elitist. Have undergone racism all my life, from both sides of my family and many others. Bet you've never experienced it in any way, just jump on the PC bandwagon making out you know, when you know zilch.

You said yourself you've never known anyone who is not of European decent, which is adequate proof you know nothing and as for being rude. It's pathetic when unknowing fools make out they know, when they know nothing and have zero experience in segregation, abuse or racism. All you're experienced in is elitism and a holier than thou attitude, because you have a pathetic little degree in emptiness and think that makes you superior. In the real world you have never experienced or have any idea about, you'd last less than 5 minutes.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby mothra » 12 Jun 2019, 10:47

Please show me whre i said i've never known anyone who isn't of European descent.

This should be interesting.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby Dax » 12 Jun 2019, 10:58

mothra wrote:This article really grabbed me ... and it got me thinking abot my own strong anti-racist views and what inspired them. Furthermore, those of my generation in general. I can assure you all that they did not come from my parents or my education.

As a middle-class suburbanite, i never really came across any diversity as a kid aside from a small spattering of Asians and the already accepted (although begrudgingly) other than Irish and British Europeans.

Nevertheless, i grew up fiercely anti-racist and was (and remain) genuinely horrified when i come across it.

The only black kids i ever saw were on tv but i just naturally related to them, so any thought there was difference just didn't enter my head. Sesame Street was a really big part of that and enjoyed decades later with my own children.

Now, if this isn't an argument for the diversification of popular culture, particularly to our children then i don't know what is.


There you go, you couldn't relate to anyone outside your middle class elitism and holier than thou attitude. It's only when you are part of racism and abuse that you understand it and where it is coming from, the middle and upper class are the biggest racists there are, that's why I have nothing to do with others who are well off, can't stand them.

Especially all the egocentric elitist public servants who brag about how they aren't racist, but when put to the test, they are more racist than any one, no matter how much they brag about how tolerant they are.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby mothra » 12 Jun 2019, 11:04

Dax wrote:
mothra wrote:This article really grabbed me ... and it got me thinking abot my own strong anti-racist views and what inspired them. Furthermore, those of my generation in general. I can assure you all that they did not come from my parents or my education.

As a middle-class suburbanite, i never really came across any diversity as a kid aside from a small spattering of Asians and the already accepted (although begrudgingly) other than Irish and British Europeans.

Nevertheless, i grew up fiercely anti-racist and was (and remain) genuinely horrified when i come across it.

The only black kids i ever saw were on tv but i just naturally related to them, so any thought there was difference just didn't enter my head. Sesame Street was a really big part of that and enjoyed decades later with my own children.

Now, if this isn't an argument for the diversification of popular culture, particularly to our children then i don't know what is.


There you go, you couldn't relate to anyone outside your middle class elitism and holier than thou attitude. It's only when you are part of racism and abuse that you understand it and where it is coming from, the middle and upper class are the biggest racists there are, that's why I have nothing to do with others who are well off, can't stand them.

Especially all the egocentric elitist public servants who brag about how they aren't racist, but when put to the test, they are more racist than any one, no matter how much they brag about how tolerant they are.


#So, not only did i not say i'd never in my life met anynone who wasn't of European descent, we now have a new allegation: that i couldn't rrelate to them at all, despite my clearly saying the opposite.

This is getting more and more interesting.
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Re: A clever tool against racism

Postby HBS Guy » 12 Jun 2019, 12:00

If Dax would drop all the god nutters/idealogues nonsense and post sensibly I am sure he would have interesting things to say.
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